Twitter and instagram. You can always tweet the show cnnsitroom. The Situation Room is also available as a podcast wherever you geget yourcasts. Erin Burnett Outfront starts erin Burnett Outfront starts right now. Captions by vitac www. Vitac. Com outfront next, the knives are out. Republicans lashing out at republicans. Mccarthy allies kicking pelosi out of her office as retribution. This is our congress, america. And The Donald Trump show is over. Those are the words of the new York Attorney general Letitia James, firing back at the former president who is on trial for fraud and could well lose his business. Plus, new troubles for putin as video appears and we just have to show russia shooting down one of its own prized fighter jets as a former russian journalist is sentenced for her bold antiwar protests on live television. Shes my guest. Lets go outfront. And good evening. Im erin burnett. Outfront tonight, chaos and fury. The House Of Representatives has now been without a speaker, permanent speaker, for more than 24 hours. And right now its still all out mayhem, chaos on capitol hill. Republicans tearing into each other, blaming the group of eight, the members in their own party who kicked Kevin Mccarthy out. And theyre flailing to such an extent now that they are blaming democrats. Theyre republicans by name and registration only. If they were for the party, they would have done what was best for the party. Now were not able to do anything. When matt gaetz said i want to make sure we get Appropriations Bills through and get back to regular order, the only word i can describe for that is hes either a fool or a liar. We dont have a single, with all due respect, democrat, that are working with us. Reporter now, on this democrat point, just to be clear, republicans took out their own republican speaker. Because the party in power picks the speaker. The other party does not help. For example, pelosi did not get a single republican vote. So thats not how it works. Whatever democrats may get in place of mccarthy, though, its not on them that hes gone. But that is not stopping republican ire including from mccarthy himself. Because two republican sources are telling cnn tonight that mccarthy was the one behind the decision to kick the former house speaker, nancy pelosi, and the former majority leader steny hoyer out of their offices. Our jamie gangel tonight reports that a republican source tells her of the evictions, kevin is on a revenge tour, this was kevins call. The chaos is so bad that both sides in the senate now are worried about whats next. Unfortunately, it means we cant do other things which i would like to be doing. The house can vote on no bills, no appropriations work can get done. Its messy. There is no denying that. We dont even know whats happening in the House Of Representatives. We dont even know whats happening. Well, congress has 41 days to figure out how to fund the government. But that is not getting done because congress cant operate without a speaker. Border security on hold. Everything is on hold. While republicans hash this out. And the vote on a new speaker is not happening until some time next week at the earliest. Manu raju is outfront on capitol hill. And, manu, these 24 hours you have been speaking fast and furiously to anyone you can find there on the hill. I put it in that context because of course now theyre gone, again. What happens now . Reporter there is a scramble happening right now behind the scenes. A Leadership Race is now in full shape between Steve Scalise, the House Majority leader and the House Judiciary Chairman jim jordan to be the next speaker of the house. Other candidates also may yet emerge flirting with the possibility of running. But it will be no easy task to bridge the divide of this bitterly divided republican conference, which theres a lot of fingerpointing at this moment at those eight Republican M Members who joined with democrats to oust the speaker. Matt gaetz warning that he could potentially be expelled from the republican conference. And others saying simply that the efforts to push out Speaker Mccarthy will undoubtedly, in their view, hurt their ability to hold onto the house next november. I think it makes the House Republican rebels look foolish. They look unserious. I think they look like theyre more interested in fighting than governing. Mr. Gaetz is only doing this for himself, and i believe that he should be looked at for an expulsion. I have not made up my mind. This guy doesnt have his ducks in a row. And thats what you see with people who lie. They never keep their story straight. And thats what matt is doing right now. Hes going to continue to lie. Reporter what do you think of the chances of your party retaining control of the house next year, given all this disarray . I think its going to be incredibly tough. Reporter and there is just a lot of questions too, erin, whether or not the next speaker candidate can actually get to 218 votes to be elected house speaker. There are divisions within not just the personal feelings but also on some of the key policy decisions, including one key issue, whether or not to make it harder to ausa Sitting Speaker in the future. Those hard liners who pushed out Kevin Mccarthy want to make it easy, continue to make it easy. Others are saying they need to raise the threshold to prevent this from happening again, and also, erin, one key policy issue. Ukraine aid hanging in the balance. Jim jordan telling me today that he is against more funding for ukraine which raises a lot of concerns for ukraine supporters on capitol hill about getting this through potentially under a speaker jordan. Manu, thank you very much. I want to go now to the republican Congressman Ken Bach who voted to oust mccarthy. Im also going to be speaking to the democratic congressman ro khanna. First, though, i want to begin with congressman bach. And i appreciate your time, sir. The house is in disarray. It could be a week or more before we know who the speaker is. The business of governing is not happening, as you and i sit here tonight. Was your vote worth that . Erin, lets make something clear. When we got the schedule in january as to the weeks that we would be in session, we were out this week and next week in our districts doing district work. So, to say its in disarray, it wouldve been in disarray if Kevin Mccarthy was still speaker and we were still in our districts. We were not supposed to be convening this week or next week. The reason we were convening or we are convening is the fact that we have not passed the Appropriations Bills. We didnt start working on those in may or june or july. And we didnt take any time in august to come back and work on those Appropriations Bills. And the reason is very simple. This Leadership Team wanted to make sure that they jammed us as best they could by not passing Appropriations Bills and trying to pass a continuing resolution and then an omnibus, one large bill, at the end of the year. 27 years in a row, the house has not passed its Appropriations Bills. This year we have not passed a budget yet. The chaos and the disarray existed long before Speaker Mccarthy lost the vote. Well, there are many who would agree with you in that characterization. But just to be clear, it does seem a bit rich to say that because you would have been in recess anyway, it doesnt matter that theres no speaker of the House Of Representatives. Youre saying that were not getting the work done in d. C. , and we werent supposed to be in d. C. This week or next week. And, so, im not disagreeing with you that we should get a speaker, we should move quickly, we should get someone who everybody has confidence in and will take spending seriously. I want to ask you about those individuals in just a moment. But first, a lot of your republican colleagues are placing the blame at your feet, they are, at you and the other seven who voted to oust mccarthy. Here are a few of them. Youve got eight people over there that say they stand on principle and policy. Its really all about selfpromotion. I think there needs to be a reckoning within the conference. There needs to be accountability for the eight individuals who selfishly up ended our House Majority and put their own interests above the country. You had, in this case, eight socalled republicans that got together with 208 democrats against the will of the remaining 210 republican majority, and forced this to happen. They handed over the reins. They got schooled and used. Reporter congressman, those are your peers. They say youre engaging in selfpromotion, that youre selfish, you put your own interests ahead of the country, you got schooled and used. What do you say to your own peers . Well, first of all, im not going to engage in that kind of namecalling or accusation. I will say this. We have not passed a budget this year. And thats disgraceful. The very people who are blaming the eight who voted against Kevin Mccarthy are the same people who have held up this process so that we dont get to the point where we pass a budget, pass Appropriations Bills, and deal with the huge spending. At the end of President Bidens first term in office, we will have 36 trillion of debt. The American People know thats unsustainable. I understand that the people who work and live in the swamp are very upset that the structure that has been set with special Interest Groups has been upended. And for them, i hope they relax a little bit. But i am not going to step back from the position i took because the American People are squarely, squarely on our side in this issue. I did promise to ask you about who you would support. I just want to be clear, would you support either Steve Scalise or jim jordan . And is there anyone else youd support . I want to make sure that we get a speaker. I am not going to support somebody at this point. I think that my support would be not positive for anybody. So i think the best thing i can do is just to look and listen and make a decision later. Well, that is very selfaware. But let me ask you one other thing quickly. Will you support somebody who is going to say im not going to allow one person, this whole issue with mccarthy, that one person could bring a motion to table and end up with the ouster of him as speaker. Would you be fine going back to 20 . Or are you going to insist one person . Nancy pelosi changed that number. Kevin mccarthy agreed to five. I think five is reasonable. I think one is reasonable. I think we need to focus on spending and not on the rules. The American People dont send us here to work on insider ball like the rules. They send us here to make sure that we deal responsibly with the issues that we have in front of us. Yes, although, of course, as we have all just seen, sometimes the rules impact all of us in this country. Thank you very much, Congressman Buck. I appreciate your time tonight. I now want to go to the democratic congressman ro khanna. Congressman, i want to give you a chance to respond to what Congressman Buck had to say. Well, i actually respect Congressman Buck. He had the courage to pen an oped in the Washington Post saying that the Impeachment Inquiry against President Biden had no basis. That is true, he did that, yep. I dont agree with him on a lot of issues, but ive always found that hes an independent voice and he votes his conscience. So ive never found any reason but to have a cordial relationship with him. Well, youre speaking much more nicely about him than many of his own peers are. Those words that were hearing from republicans, and i just took a few of them, but saying that the eight, selfpromotion, selfish, self above country, its ugly. Erin, we have to get past the namecalling. I mean, what happened in this country to actually trying to win an argument through reason and logic and debate . I just dont like the tone of washington where people are cursing each other out and thinking that that somehow has become fashionable, and that having fights is what is going to attract support. I mean, stand on your convictions, make an argument, and then move on, and have reasonable disagreement. Thats what democracy at its best should be. Let me ask you about Something Else happening which fits in exactly the context of what youre talking about, which is our reporting tonight that the former Speaker Mccarthy is taking away the offices of both steny hoyer and nancy pelosi, as the leaders. Republican Congressman Garrett Graves tells cnn, look, the deal is the office of the preceding speaker, Speaker Pelosi and other democrats determined they wanted a new preceding speaker, because they are blaming Kevin Mccarthy. So he is getting the office. Does any of this add up . Or is this just petty . Its worse than high school or junior high school. I mean, the American People are sitting there saying we cant pay our gas bills, we cant pay our food bills, groceries cost too much, our wages arent going up. And congress is engaged in this kind of tit for tat . Who cares about giving them an office. I think there is not a selfawareness of how out of touch this body is, how terrible we look to the American People. Anyone who thinks, oh, the democrats won or the republicans won has no idea what theyre talking about, and most americans think a pox on everyones Houses Congress is dysfunctional. Weve got to wake up and start governing around here. Congressman khanna, thank you. Next, donald trump versus Letitia James. The new York Attorney general not shying away from a fight with the former president. I will not be bullied. The donald trump show is over. And the worlds second richest man, owner of tiffanys and Louis Vuitton under preliminary investigation over alleged ties to a Russian Oligarch. Plus, the miraculous story of the 9yearold found alive after going missing from a camping trip with her parents. New details about the suspect in her kidnapping. New tonight, quote, The Donald Trump show is over. Those are the direct words coming from the new York Attorney general Letitia James as she fires back at repeated attacks that came today from the former president in regards to that Civil Fraud Trial here in new york. Here is what trump said and james response. We have a prosecutor, Letitia James, whos incompetent. You pay it back and you get sued by a political animal. Im stuck here because i have a corrupt Attorney General. Trumps comments were offensive and were baseless. They were void of many facts and evidence. Comments that i will describe as racebaiting. Comments, unfortunately, that appeals to the bottom of our humanity. L mr. Trump is no longer, The Donald Trump show is over. This was nothing more than a political stunt, a fundraising stop. Now, it is important to note that it is true, trump has fundraised off the trial. And trump, who you see here in this photo with a very serious look on his face was frustrated in court today, repeatedly throwing his Hands Up In The Air sitting with his arms crossed. This comes as trumps lawyers officially announced he will appeal the judges ruling that he and his company engaged in persistent fraud for years. We have who was an executive Vice President who worked for trump for nearly two decades and is the author of tower of lies. All right, barbara, you and i have talked many times over the years here. I want to start with what we just played, trump and the Attorney GeneralLetitia James, the back and forth. She says trumps trying to bully her and engage in racebaiting rhetoric. He does repeatedly call her a racist in general. You know him well, right . Pretty well. Well, i did. Is she right when she said oh, yes. He always did that. Hell say im the least racist person in the world. But he does love doing that. And calling her an animal, too, is a very racist thing to do. So, the images today of him inside the courtroom. First of all, he didnt have to show up at all. He came on day one and people close to him said, okay, its just one day to make his point. Then he came on day two and three. Now hes gone for a while. Well see when he comes back. But he was very serious today. He repeatedly threw his Hands Up In The Air. But the hands being thrown up in the air, what does this say to you about how focused on this he is, how worried he is . I think that hes very concerned about whats going on, but hes playing to his audience. He wants them to think that hes not afraid and that hes just, ah, this is such nonsense. Throwing your hands in the air. So, the state and the defense have listed him as a possible witness, right . So in the venn diagram of witnesses, there he is in the middle. His adult sons also, though, don jr. And eric on that list. The state also lists ivanka trump and she was not charged because of the statute of limitations having expired as the reason. But you believe trumps children maybe should be more worried about him testifying than the other way around. Tell me why. Well, they both have reason to worry about the other. Trump will throw him under the bus. I have no doubt. His own children. Yes. He didnt treat them when they were young, or actually eric was just a baby. But, don, he was very cold and dis distant. I never thought of him as a father. The kids were brought in the office and hed have a fit. One time they were playing legos in his office, and he didnt want them there. Amidst all of this at the core of this and the reason perhaps hes in this trial is this is his life, this is who he is, this is his personna, this is his money. Its his definition of himself. He today was dropped from the forbes 400 list of richest americans. Most people on that list kind of wish they werent there because they dont want the publicity. Thats not true with him. He would call and make the case for why he should be higher on the list. Forbes is saying because of his social media platform, truth social, and his Office Buildings have lost value. They say 20 cut to his net worth, which puts him, he doesnt make the cut off for the forbes list. How much does he care about this . Oh, god. I remember in the beginning, this was the first one, maybe, he was thrilled. To be on the forbes list. Yeah. But, after that maybe a year or two, he was angry that he wasnt higher, and he called them and he was threatening to sue them. He threatened to sue them because he wasnt higher . Yeah, he was Walking Around saying im going to sue them, this is wrong, i have much more money than this. It was important to him. He wants people to think that he was this great businessman, he made all this money. Its kind of ironic because he wasnt a great businessman at all. And now he is not on that list, and it may seem silly, but it perhaps says so much. I think hes very upset about that. Well, barbara, thank you very much. I appreciate your time. Its good to see you. Barbaras book tower of lies. I want to go now to the former Trump White House lawyer ty cobb. So much to start with you. So lets just Start Talking about the Civil Fraud Trial, the back and forth today between trump and Letitia James. Trumps lawyers say they are going to file an appeal against the judges summary judgment. Its 40 or 60 pages laying out, he says the systemic and persistent overvaluation of businesses over a decade. Is this appeal going to go anywhere for trump . So, i think its possible that it does. Now, i say that conscious of the fact that in this decision which reads quite well that the judge put a lot of time into getting the facts straight and making this a largely factual presentation for the review of the Appellate Courts. Its an excellent opinion in terms of marshaling the facts. But it is a little bit aggressive in terms of the penalties. And, as we know. So youre saying its not whether hes guilty or he did it, its on the damages . How far can you really go. And i think he has some arguments there. On the other hand, im not sure that the Appellate Courts going to be, you know, as accommodating as trump and his lawyers suggest. I think the likelihood is he loses the appeal. But he does have some legal arguments and he has prevailed on appeal in this case previously, for example, with regard to the statute of limitations. So, the Appellate Court is not going to rubberstamp this. I think its likely trump loses. But its not a foregone conclusion. All right. So, ty, in the Fulton County case, we have some developments there as well today. Because we have learned that the d. A. s office has now approached several codefendants about accepting plea deals. There were 19 total, so theyve approached several of them, including a former campaign official. We know that to be on the list. And the context here is, one, noncentral to be fair, but one defendant has already pleaded. Now, chris christie, who is obviously challenging trump for the gop nomination, he is a wellknown former prosecutor as well, told me friday he thinks about half of trumps 18 codefendants will take plea deals. Do you think hes right . So, he may be right, but i think its sort of a fools errand to pick a number out of 18 that may plead guilty. I dont think any of the consequential defendants are likely to plead guilty with the possible exception of chesebro who is adamant that he wont take a deal. But i think the unique circumstances of his case, the fact that hes about to head into trial with the worlds greatest nightmare codefendant sidney powell. That could all affect his judgment. And, at the same time, they may be able to offer him something as he was primarily in this and not core to executing it, although definitely a significant player. Part of the intellectual underpinnings of the argument, but not the execution. So, the fact that these plea deals are happening that fani willis has approached multiple people for plea deals. What does that say about the d. A. . So, i dont necessarily think it reflects the weakness that it might otherwise appear to do. In these types of cases, Plea Agreements are usually available to defendants. Its usually not done in public quite like this, though. So that does look a little weak, i think. And i think the likely people to plead guilty are, you know, more of the electors and the rappers. Because i dont think the penalties will be that consequential. But i think once you get into the core players, you know, trump meadows rudy, et cetera, i dont see those people pleading with the possible exception of rudy depending on what they would give him. Let me ask you about rudy because we just found out that his attorney there is withdrawing from representing giuliani in the Fulton County case. And obviously giuliani is in a disastrous broader situation, owing millions of dollars to multiple lawyers. And that may just be the tip of the iceberg of the sort of personal desperation which he is facing right now. How big of a problem is this for Rudy Giuliani . How much trouble is he in . I think hes in a lot of trouble. I think its a huge problem. I think its like any american who saw him throw the first ball out at Yankees Stadium after 9 11 and thought he was americas mayor, i think this is a tragic fall, and the depths i dont think weve necessarily seen yet. So i do think hes in great difficulty. I think he needs a very strong attorney to assist him there. But he found another lawyer in New Hampshire today to sue biden for defamation. Thats right, he did sue biden for defamation. I assume that was pro bono. Ty, thanks very much. Great to be with you. Thank you, erin. You too. And, next, she was arrested for this famous antiwar protest on russian television. Remember with the sign. Now she has been just handed down an incredibly harsh sentence. Her story in her own words next. And its not just the new York Attorney general. Trumps also going after the judge overseeing his fraud trial. This guys getting away with murder. Hes a disgrace to people that call themselves judges. Who is judge Arthur Engeron . Is it possible my network could take my business to the next level . It is with comcast business. Powering all your devices with gigspeed wifi. And you get fast downloads and uploads. Pick it up pick it up oh we got this because its powered by The Next Generation 10g network. More speed for your business . Its not just possible. Its happening. Get started for 59. 99 a month for 12 months. Plus, ask how to get an 800 prepaid card with a qualifying internet bundle. Comcast business, powering possibilities. Tonight, it is, quote, highly likely russia shot down one of its most advanced combat jets on the Southern Front line. That stunning assessment coming from British Military intelligence. And we have video of what appears to be the wreckage of a russian combat jet, which a prowagner telegram channel says in an unconfirmed report, is the same jet that russia shot down. Now, cnn has not independently verified this video. The Russian Ministry of defense has not yet commented. But it comes as putin continues to face questions at home over his war. The worlds second richest man, the owner of Luxury Brands like tiffanys and Louis Vuitton is now under scrutiny for financial dealings with a Russian Oligarch. Melissa bell is outfront. Reporter the worlds second richest man is no stranger to red carpets. His name synonymous with luxury and good taste. Luxury, for me, is how can you create desire. Reporter from Christian Dink or to Louis Vuitton to tiffanys, he knows it includes also vineyards, restaurants, and hotels, including the blanc hotel. Now, at the heart of far less tasteful allegations centered on transactions between the french billionaire and Russian OligarchNikolai Sarkisov whos reported to be worth roughly 850 million, which makes him one of the richest people in russia. Hes the cofounder of a Russian Insurance Company but not subject to european sanctions. The story was first reported by the french, citing a memo allegedly drafted by the French Agency responsible for combating Money Laundering. At the heart of the preliminary investigation, 14 properties bought by him and, alone, allegedly made by, according to the memo. Allegations described as absurd and unfounded by his lawyer who made a statement, who can seriously imagine that he, who has built for over 40 years would engage in Money Laundering to expand a hotel. In france, his estimated 164 Billion Fortune Go far beyond fashion. In building his group, hes cultivated relationships with the powerful acquiring a vast media empire. Translator the gallery sin credible, of course. Hosting the king of england is fantastic. Reporter but beneath the powerful connections and the glamorous brands, the allegation lingers, how far was the worlds second richest man prepared to go to make his resort bigger and himself even richer . Erin, i think its important to note that there have been no charges brought here at all. This is very much a preliminary investigation to see whether there is the material to carry out a proper one. Also worth noting that this has nothing to do with the war in ukraine, nor the sanctions that have been brought against russians. We have heard from the team around sarkisov in that report denying that he had personally anything to do with the transactions that are now at the heart of this preliminary investigation. Still, it is the name and the stature that means that the spotlight is very much on these allegations. Erin . Absolutely. Melissa, thank you very much, in paris. Also tonight, a story that we have been following in moscow tonight. Russian Journalist Marina was sentenced to 8 1 2 years in prison. Shes been a guest on this program many times. Shes gained international acclaim. Weeks into putins invasion when she interrupted the live broadcast that said no war. She was interrogated, threatened, placed under house arrest until she and her young daughter made a Daring Escape To Moscow from moscow to france. And we have tonight obtained exclusive neverbeforeseen video of marina and her daughter as they fled russia. They had to change cars at least seven times to avoid detection. And then run across an open field. I spoke with her earlier. I asked her how she felt today when she learned of her 8 1 2 year prison sentence. Heres what she told me. This is just freak justice because in russia we dont have independent courts. Putin destroyed all independent courts. I also asked marina how she felt when she learned that her own mother who is still in against her in court. E evidence they testified against me today, and it was a shock for me. The problem is that my mommy is the same age with putin. My mommy believes this russian kremlin propaganda. And she said youre a traitor of russia and you must go to jail because you started to speak publicly against putin. And its very difficult situation. Its hard because its her own mother and her own son, too. She went on to say that when putins regime collapses, she hopes that her mother will not see her as a traitor but as a patriot fighting for a better fush for russia. Next, his resume includes stints as a cabdriver and a music teacher. But now he is judge and jury in former president trumps fraud trial. So, who is judge Arthur Engoron . We are learning new details about the kidnapping of 9yearold Charlotte Sena miraculously found alive two days after her disappearance on a bike ride. Our john miller has new reporting, tonight. Tonight, the judge in Donald Trumps civil trial losing patience with trumps attorneys at one point pounding the bench and exclaiming their line of questioning was ridiculous and repetitive. It comes as judge attacked judge Arthur Engoron after the judge issued a gag order about speaking publicly about court members. Here is trump today. The bottom line is this is rigged. The judge already knows what hes going to do. Hes a democrat judge. In all fairness to him, he has no choice. Hes run by the democrats. Hes a democrat judge out of the clubhouses. Hes controlled and its a shame whats going on here is a shame. Our whole system is corrupt. So, who is judge arthur eng engoron . Tom foreman is outfront. Reporter we have a renegade judge here. Hes a democrat operative and hes a disgrace to people that call themselves judges. Reporter against a furious broadside of attack from team trump, judge Arthur Engoron seems so far unfazed. And that matters because he is the man deciding what penalties trump and his organization will pay after the judge already issued a blistering 35page ruling, largely agreeing with the prosecutor. Donald trump and the other defendants have committed persistent and repeated fraud. Reporter raised in the new york borough of queens not far from where trump grew up, engoron is a father of four, married three times. A democrat described by the New York Times as independent and thoughtful, if somewhat quirky. As a young lawyer, he worked with Donald Zachrin in the 1980s. He doesnt raise objections or questions to be quarellous. He does it to challenge your own thinking so that you get to an outcome consistent with the facts and the law. Reporter on its high schools alumni web page, engoron paints a selfportrait of a man interested in history, photography, chess, soccer, and philosophy. A former cabdriver who took up law and spent several years as a piano and drum teacher and who is still a huge fan and follower of rock and roll. His ruling sometimes quotes song lyrics and are signed with an a. E. In a whimsical circle. Still, his ruling struck a serious blow to trumps longstanding claims about the value of his properties and his personal wealth, calling it all a Fantasy World concocted to get good terms for loans and insurance. It doesnt look to me like donald trump is getting a fair trial in new york city. What say you . Reporter that has conservative media sounding alarms. The judge is as guilty as is more guilty than trump at having a phony valuation of that property. Reporter but has fear of the penalties from this judge muzzled trump . Not yet. This is a judge that some people say could be charged criminally for what hes doing. Hes interfering with an election. And its a disgrace. Reporter super interesting in all of this, the way the former president is raging about what has happened here and sounding off again and again and again from all indications, the judge really is just taking this in stride. He seems at ease. Hes talking to people in the court. And those who have known him in the past say, yeah, thats very much in keeping with him. He is a man who is guided by clever insights, by a lot of attention to the facts, and, in the end, they say, a great sense of fairness no matter if people are happy about it or mad. Erin . Well, he is a fascinating character. That is a fascinating description that he even writes about himself. Thank you very much, tom. And, next, were learning new details about how Police Tracked down the man who kidnapped Charlotte Sena and what were now learning tonight about the suspects past. Plus, an outfront milestone. We made the calls and we found tonights outfront five. Were celebrating 12 years on the air. Tonight, disturbing new details about the man accused of kidnapping 9yearold Charlotte Sena from a park in upstate new york. We are now learning that Craig Nelson Ross jr. Has been arrested multiple times, once after a physical domestic dispute and drunken driving. It comes, as we understand, police at this hour are waiting to interview charlotte about what happened during her abduction. She was riding her bike during a Family Camping Trip when she was taken by ross. She was found alive hidden in a cupboard in this rundown camper just 14 miles from her home. Our chief Law Enforcement analyst john miller joins me now. John, you have a lot of sources who know a lot about whats going on here. Youre learning more about how they found her. What is the latest that you know . Well, finding her was really when that ransom note was dropped off and identifying the print and identifying where that person was. They had multiple buildings. They had to do simultaneous s. W. A. T raids because you dont know what building shes in or what building hell be in. The case terps inside. Now they have her back, they have to build a case against him. Usually its the other way around, but they had to recover her quickly for her safety. The Video Canvass that shows everywhere that shows the truck going from the kidnap site back to his home, any cellular signals that can match those travels, the same with the distance from his trailer to where the ransom drop was because they have to paint a picture of his travels and his movements that match when she disappeared, where she ended up, and where the note was dropped off and back. Obviously they have not yet interviewed her, and shes nine years old, shes young. But theyve got to be very careful about how they do that. And yet, she could be the key to what happened, whether this was just a kidnapping, whether this was a horrific sex crime. We dont know. When do they expect to be able to hear her story . Well, soon. But they wanted to be cautious about how and when they did it. Interviewing a t 9yearold child victim of a traumatic event, a kidnapping that went on for, you know, a number of days is something where they want to make sure that they have people who have been specially trained in trauma informed Interview Techniques and who have been specially trained in interviewing young children. Those interviews are fraught with peril, depending on how you ask the questions and the followups. They can be suggestive, where a child can be giving you the answers they think you want. They think you want. Exactly. Theyll use their best and their brightest, who have the latest training in these techniques, you know, that are documented and Peer Reviewed and hope to get those answers. John, thank you very much. John miller. Next, celebrating a milestone. Out front turns 12, and weve been Around The World with you. And finally tonight, a milestone for us, were celebrating 12 years with the out front team. Weve covered a lot of ground in the past 12 years, across the u. S. And Around The World, places like ukraine, afghanistan, cuba, iran. We ended our first show back in 2011 with this message. We picked the name out front as a mission statement. Wed like it to be a verb, how do you out front this story or that story. Out front means original reporting, creativity, energy, stories that we are passionate about and that you care about. We said that on day one, and we hope that we have stayed true to that mission, as our team, and true to you. Thank you all so much for watching, and of course thank you for being with us tonight, as you are hopefully most ni. Ac 360 with anderson cooper