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Cnn Breaking News costa and washington, we are following Breaking News up on capitol hill at any minute. House lawmakers are expected to vote on a bill that could effectively ban the social media platform tiktok. Here in the us, quarters of a potential ban claim china based Parent Company bytedance, could somehow use tiktok to Spy On Americans who use the app if signed into law, the measure would give the company less than six months to sell to a nonchinese owner. If bytedance fails to do so, tiktok could be all but shut down here in the us, users of the platform, which is wildly popular for among younger americans, are trying to stop that from happening i know im not the only one that relies on this app every single day to provide for their family i know im not the only one that relies on this app to get by. Its taken me six years to get to this point literally not even a month ago. I quit my job to do Tiktok Social Media fulltime and there are 80 years of generation z that are now eligible voters in this election year. Do you really want to them all off by taking away their favorite app where they make friends, where they make contents, where they laugh, where a lot of us creators make our money. You want to take that app away. It could happen. Lets begin up on capitol hill with cnn chief congressional correspondent, manu raju. Manu. A lot of lastminute lobbying, some strange bedfellows on this issue. Republicans, democrats who are supportive of this and were also against this. How close is this is going to be . While we do expect this to pass in the house, will need twothirds majority to get there and we do expect a bipartisan majority choosing the concerns over National Security, over the concerns of our Freedom Of Speech in the middle of this hotly contested election year, even as donald trump has lobbied against this bill because he contends that it could hurt, it can help facebook who need to test. Trump also met with tiktok, megadonor recently as well, reversing his position on this and also warnings that if joe biden were to get behind this bill from some democrats who are warning that, that could actually hurt him with some young voters lets i dont think itll be helpful with young voters, but, you know, my argument here, yes, it has to do with young people. But taking a step back, i just think its bad policy, which just for politics is addition, multiplication and cutting out a large group of young voters is not the best known strategy for reelection, but trumps opposition to this i agree with him the first time on the first time around on this when he is president tried to ban the foreign presence, trying to kill it. Well, hes wrong so even though jim, this is expected to pass the house and just a matter of minutes, its future in the senate is much different. There are concerns about the way this language is structured even from proponents who support Banning Tiktok and gloom. Someone like senator mark warner, the Senate Intelligence committee chairman, who was concerned about naming specific company in this legislation which would force beijing owned bytedance to sell tiktok, if not tiktok will be banned on social media platforms. Here in the United States, hes, he has raised constitutional concerns. There are different versions of the bills that are moving around the senate right now in the Majority Leader in the senate, Chuck Schumer indicated that he is in no rush that they want to move go to the Committee Process and figure out the right way to move ahead here. So this is going to take some time to play out in the senate, but that does not mean that the debate on the house floor at the moment, very emotional at this key time where theyre trying to get this bill through and were expected to expect its expected to pass here in a matter of minutes, jim all right. Were gonna be watching that vote. Manu raju. Thank you very much. In the meantime, china is lashing out at this potential ban and delivering some strong words to the us cnn, International Correspondent marc stewart joins us now from beijing, mark, you heard from Chinas Foreign Ministry this morning. Where do they say . India and. Look the messaging from beijing To Washington is very blunt. Its very direct and the phrasing To Washington is youre acting like a bully. This at a time when the United States and china are trying to figure out this working relationship, especially when it comes to these matters of business and economics. I did talk to the spokesperson for the ministry of Foreign Affairs and i said to him regardless of what happens in washington today, there is still this feeling of distrust from american lawmakers, from American Citizens toward chinese companies. Lets listen to what he had had to say kinga may voucher to me, even though the us has not found evidence on how tiktok and dangerous its National Security. It has never stopped going after tiktok such practice of resorting to acts of bullying. 11 could not succeed in fair competition. Disrupts the normal operation of the market it turned reminds the confidence of International Investors and sabotage is the Global Economic and trade order this will eventually backfire on the us itself. I was also curious about the role that Chinese Government is taking all of this. And i asked is the government advising bytedance on how to proceed . The response i got, jim was very much in line with what youve just heard no real insight as to what kind of approach what kind of role the Chinese Government is taking, if at all . Yeah, im sure that that is not helping tiktoks cause here in washington when they have that kind of posture, our marc stewart. Thank you very much. You want me now for more on those cnn contributor kara swisher, shes the host of the podcasts on and pivot, and the author of burn book a tech love story. Hey kara, how are you this morning . Great to see what do you think . What do you think about all this . I was just thinking if, good, very good. I was watching manu rajus live shot a few moments ago and he had a group of teenagers buying them. I was just thinking, what would happen and bonnie were to turn around and talk to these teenagers i mean, for the ones who are i guess not in school right now now, they must be looking over their screens and saying, wait a minute, what, whats going on with tiktok well, i dont know. I dont know. I dont know if we take our cues from teenagers at the time. You know, this is an could be a National Security issue. Theres certainly concerns about it and, you know, i wrote about it years ago. This was propaganda and surveillance from the Chinese Government it is going to be a problem Going Forward. And so you have to think about that. And i get that theyre trying to gin up the teenagers to get all angry and the political aspects of it. But they should make these decisions based on National Security issues and whether a chinese own company should have this much access in a Media Company to the us. They certainly couldnt by cnn, could that hey, or control cnn and they couldnt do other things. So its a very complex subject. And of course, well get an emotional, but its a complex object and what do you make of i mean, i remember im old enough to remember covering the white house, donald trump, when he was president he wasnt supportive Banning Tiktok and now hes changed his tune on this. Whats going on . Why is that happening money . Jim . He wants money from different people. He of course, met with geoff, yes. Whos an investor in bytedance and i think that he suddenly changed his mind. Its being lobbied on by kellyanne on way. In addition, theres a thing called Project Texas going on that oracle is, which is the border. Larry ellisons sportive President Trump. For President Trump and thats going on to try to make it safe, safer, make it if this doesnt pass theres still a lot of issues Going Forward, whether the senate will take it up there there have been legal challenges that have one and its a long road before this happens, but eventually we have to figure out what to do about this. This company and Companies Like it using being able to have access to our our world here in the United States. And we cant have reciprocal access to. Theres thats something people do need to Pay Attention to. Social media sites arent allowed in china. Ours arent certainly no ive been ive been in beijing when you walk outside and who leave your vpn network, you cant get on facebook, you cant get on certain apps over there in china. I mean, it just doesnt happen. When i listened to marc stewart reporting from beijing a few moments ago and he was talking about the complaints coming from the Foreign Ministry about antibusiness practices. I was my head almost exploded because thats pretty much coming from the chinese. Well, they like having this here, i suspect and you know, the issue was, what do you buy if they sell it, thats another issue. You cant theyre not going to let us have the algorithm because the algorithm will prove whether they been manipulating it for propaganda or surveillance and so what is tiktok without its Magic Algorithm . Thats a big question. Too, for any buyer yeah and we should note to our viewers care. I mean, were watching this vote right now were thinking its going to pass. It could happen at any moment. It will we go i wanted to ask you about your reaction to this its new reporting that a state Department Commission report warns that ai could pose an Extinction Level Threat to humans. I cant remember if you and ive talked about this in the past. Some of these dire warnings sometimes hear from the business community. Now, its from this report that was funded by the state department. Whats your sense of all that . Overblown . I dont know. I think yes, of course. They have to put that in. Right . Of course it could. So nuclear weapons, so could a lot of things doesnt mean it has to it has capabilities they need if the wrong person gets in place and says, say they say the ai lets solve world hunger without any rules. You know, what it would do, it would kill people like it. Thats what it would do. So theres all kinds of things depending on who maintains it and what guidelines we have and regulations. And thats why regulations are critically important. All right. Kara swisher, great to talk to you as always, were watching this vote. Hill with you. Thank you so much a note to our viewers. You are looking at that vote taking place right now as soon as we get a final vote in the house it is expected to pass. As manu raja was saying a little while ago, uncertain what takes place in the senate and even though the white house has indicated the president as indicated, he may sign this legislation, you heard some democrats sort of complaining about this legislation. So anything could happen. Were gonna keep our eyes on all of this will break in as soon as we get a final vote on all of that. In the meantime, coming up the dire warnings from the Biden Administration about ukraines ammunition why as the president announces a new Military Aid Package thats next happed to the golden boy of new jersey. I engaged in with another man. Did you want to be outed United States of scandal with jake tapper . I gotta get a therapist if theyre having an interview with jake tapper, new episodes sunday at nine on cnn naturally skilled professionals. To get all your Home Projects done well, ill get started today at andy. Com. I have type two diabetes, but im managing as well. 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In the meantime, new this morning, ukraine is stepping up its Drone Attacks deep inside russia, targeting three Oil Refineries overnight. This new video coming in cnn shows one of those attacks Ukrainian Defense source tells cnn these attacks were part of a special operation to go after russian oil reserves and cut a major source of revenue for moscow. It comes as the white house announced a surprise, 300 million Military Aid Package to ukraine. As kyiv is running dangerously low on ammunition when Russian Troops advance and its guns fire, ukraine does not have enough ammunition to fire back. Thats costing terrain. Its costing lives and its costing us. The United States and the Nato Alliance strategically cnn, pentagon correspondent Oren Liebermann is following the story for us on whats in this new package jim, there are some critically needed munitions and equipment for ukraine in this package, but the white house and the pentagon were quick to point out that this is hardly a stopgap measure. The white house said this may last a matter of weeks, perhaps as little as a couple of weeks and thats simply because of the nature of the war in ukraine. It is very heavy on artillery, for example, 155 millimeter artillery is in this package, and ukraine also needs antiaircraft missiles to repel the repeated russian air assaults that are coming in as well as small arms, ammunition and more. The key here is to keep ukraine in the fight as Jake Sullivan pointed out there, as we saw him speaking yesterday, the ukrainians need this essentially to hold the line against the russians who have been advancing and have been taking territory from ukraine. So ukraine needs this to be able to keep on fighting against the russians. Meanwhile, both the pentagon and the white house very much saying, look, we still need this supplemental, be able to make sure ukraine really stay in this fight because this 300 million package wont last very long. Where did it come from . Well, the last us Security Package was back on december 27. At that point, the us had run out of whats called Replenishment Dollars. It had more authority to send equipment, but it couldnt refill it in us stocks this 300 million cane was actually from savings on the purchase of Weapons Contracts at enough of that up over years of negotiations and youve got to 300 million that gave the white house and the pentagon a little Breathing Room to send over a little more aid to ukraine. But jim, the white house, the pentagon, making it very clear this is not enough and it will not last very long yeah, its a fraction of what is said to be needed right now, Oren Liebermann. Thank you very much. The white house is request for 60 billion aid package remains stalled in the house after passing the senate today in washington, a truck with a large screen, well circle the capital all day playing an ad, put together by the group of Votevets Urging Action on ukraine funding using the words of ronald reagan, take a look, honorable form of government ever devised you all knew that some things are Worth Dying For ones country is Worth Dying For, and democracy it is Worth Dying For it because its the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man and retired Us Army Lieutenant colonel Alexander Vindman joins us now is Senior Adviser with votevets and colonel vindman. Great to have you on the new program. Thanks a lot for stopping by. Appreciate it. I want to talk to you about the ad and just a moment, but first lets talk about this 300 million. I mean, is this the equivalent of sort of looking under the sofa cushion in the pentagon budget to help the ukrainians over there. It its a drop in the bucket in terms of whats needed, it is frankly, id say pentagon dollars. That is seat cushion you know what were you finding your Seat Cushions . Yeah. Its not going to take them very far. I think the key point of this is that there is about 4 billion in president ial Drawdown Authority. There was not Replenishment Dollars to be able to refill the stores, but the president does have the ability to use those funds and we need to start thinking about severing the replenishment from the drawdown. Why . Because the fact is that we have additional resources. We have padded our stockpiles in stores to fight our own wars in case our own troops are involved but like i said, theyre padded. So it means you have some extra Breathing Room. You could apply some of those resources to help ukraine win and then put the onus on congress to pass additional money to make sure our cupboards arent bear in case our own troops are at risk we need to move in that direction. Now, thats probably one that critical things we could do in order sustain the war effort until Congress Passes the 660 billion supplemental yeah, and that vote thats ad lets talk about that a little bit why, why use reagan . Well, i think the fact is that reagan probably is one of the most thoughtful in terms of thinking through. The dangers of authoritarianism. He oversaw the final stages of the end of the cold war and i think he captured the spirit of the United States, which is facing down authoritarianism, nurturing democracy, and were trying to remind the republicans of their roots that this was, they were the party of National Security defense. Clearly thats not the case. Now, this was reagan. Reaganism was a staredown. The russians call their bluff. And his through strength now we have a Republican Party thats willing to cast the cast aside. National security. The potential risk to our troops in order to curry favor with donald trump, who himself is trying to curry favor with vladimir putin. And thats not, thats not the roots of the Republican Party that is also not going to serve Republican Party very well. They certainly have lost the brand of National Security and defense and frankly they will be held accountable if american lives are lost and thats what were trying to remind them of. Were having this billboard rotate through where having Fox News Campaign with this particular ad running the add on, running that ad on fox, or were going to run this in in several districts for vulnerable republicans, hold him accountable. Either they pass the bill or they could it be accountable to their constituents is a fullcourt press. Were in a narrow window where we could pass this ukraine aid bill. Were going to try to do the best we can talk to, remind waking the republicans to their roots. And if not, were going to impose some cost. So either they do the right thing for National Security reasons, or they get held accountable at the battle. Ive talked about this a little bit before. An interview with state media, putin is talking. Hes doing some Saber Rattling again and talking about using nuclear weapons. He seems to do that every six months or so. Whats your sense of that . I think the fact is though those have wrung hollow with me since the beginning, putin acts on the basis of Regime Preservation regime its aggrandizing empire building, nuclear weapons, or the road to destruction, mutual destruction. So those are really hollow threats. And we saw a recent report about the fact that the administration was deeply concerned about some Saber Rattling in the past. I think thats intentional. Its what russia does with regards to information computation, reflexive control, this idea, theres doctrine that theyve developed if they do certain things, they elicit certain responses and theyve done that successfully with regards to Escalation Warning off the administration for providing adequate support, this administration, its on the republicans to pass this bill. Its the most important thing we could do, but this administration has recourse also it could provide Additional Support to the president ial Drawdown Authority it could dip into Russia Central Bank assets that are frozen and pass those off to ukraine. And thats easy thing for the administration. Do the administration has a decision that its on with the president . Lift some severe restrictions on contractors and country. Thats critical because we provided masses of equipment to ukraine without any means to support them. The question is whether any of the question is how much the administration can do it this morning . 300 million as an indication that theyre running out of unilateral options. But as you as always, colonel vindman. Thank you. Thanks a lot for your time will be on the lookout for that billboard in that act maybe not playing on this channel is much different channel, interesting to watch will cover it, will blanket everything we can do, everything we can to be effective and make sure that we leave nothing on table to get this aid bill passed. Its critical for us and our security, and thats what vote that does. We make sure that our troops are secure now and Going Forward . All right, colonel. Great to see you. Thank you. Appreciate. Are coming up. 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So six of the 41 charges in this case have been thrown out by judge scott mcafee and we want to be very clear. We dont want to confuse our viewers here as we anticipate in wait for his decision as to whether or not hes going to remove fani willis from this case. This is not that order. What this is though is victory for the defendants, including the former president. But one of those charges he was accused of trying to get the Secretary Of State to unlawfully overturn the Election Results here, the das office had said that it is a violation of the Oath Of Office that he was soliciting from the Secretary Of State. But ultimately the judge in this case ruling that the das office failed to include sufficient details that would allow of these defendants to intelligently prepare for a future trial. So hes throwing them out. All of these counts have to do as i mentioned, with the violation of an Oath Of Office, we are still reading through this order, but as i mentioned, jim, this does not the ultimate decision as to whether or not fani will be removed from this case. But in the short term, it is a victory for the Defense Attorneys and defendants in this case, jim, the answer, nick, just to follow on that for right now, fani willis still on the case but a piece of this Georgia Election subversion case, it looks like it has been dismissed. The rest of the charges are still there, so trump and his alleged coconspirators there in Fulton County, not out of hot water by any stretch know theyre not in fact, the judge went out of his way to save this does not mean that the indictment is dismissed. He wrote that in his order just a short were time ago, which was handed out some of these counts. Well just go through them. One of the counts, as i mentioned, has to do with the solicitation of the Oath Of Office for the Secretary Of State. Another one has do with trump and meadows soliciting the georgia Secretary Of State to violate his Oath Of Office on january 2, 2021, by requesting or importing him to unlawfully influence and so certify Election Results. All of them, as i mentioned, jim has to do with the violation of Oath Of Office, but the judge ruling here in this case that the das office just really did not provide enough details about what that oath is that they were allegedly violating so hes decided to throw these charges out. Jim hard, a fascinating development. Nick valencia, thanks for staying on top of it as always, we appreciate it. Cnn senior legal analyst, elie honig joins us now, elie, what do you make of this . Well, jim, this is an undeniable setback for the District Attorney, not the entire indictment, but six of the 40 counts have now been dismissed. And heres why its important to understand Georgia State law has this sort of unusual law that says its a crime to solicit to ask a public official to violate his official Oath Of Office and as nic just laid out there, six counts in this indictment, that say donald trump and other defendants asked various members of the Georgia Senate and the Georgia Legislature and the georgia Secretary Of State, other Public Officials to violate their oath to the Constitution By Essentially Swinging the election. But what the judge says here is you prosecutors, you have to say what part of the constitution the judge says, there are hundreds of provisions in the Us Constitution and in the Georgia State constitution. And the purpose of an indictment is to give defendants notice so they know what theyre defending against and you cant just say, well, you tried to violate the constitution. The judge says what you have they say is what specific provisions of the constitution, what specific sections of the constitution thats not in the indictment. Therefore, the judge says those charges are legally unfounded, and now theyre dismissed. And so elie me for the folks at home and Nick Valencia brought up the part of this where trump pressured the georgia Secretary Of State to throw out that Election Victory for joe biden in the state of the georgia. Does that get lifted out of the case . Is that still a part of this case . What does that mean . It is still part of the case that particular act, that phone call between donald trump and Brad Raffensberger where trump asks him, do just find 11,780 votes. Weve all heard it many times. That is still part of the case. That phone call is still part of the case. There are other charges in the case that squarely relate to that phone call. For example, the first count in the indictment, which is the very broad racketeering count, will still include that conduct. There are other fraud counts that would still include that conduct. So i dont think this ruling changes the type of evidence that the da is going to be able to introduce, but it does knock out some of the charges and look, its embarrassing for prosecutors. Its a screw up by prosecutors when you bring a charge charge and then a judge throws it out before it even goes to trial well, and that leads me to this question because theres so much was made of fani willis and her handling of this case and the hearings that we saw play out on Live Television was such a spectacle. Does this bolster in the judges mine . The idea that perhaps the fani willis should not be handling this case or is that a step too far . It should not bolster the Conflict Of Interest argument. I think these are and should be seen as two entirely separate questions. The question in the decision that we just got is the indictment properly constructed where these charges property or put before the grand jury. And are they sustainable in the judge said with respect to six of the charges in this case, again, not all of them, but just six know they were not properly brought. There is an entirely separate question pending where were waiting for a ruling any day now, where the judge has to decide whether the da has a financial or other Conflict Of Interest relating to her relations she ship with the outside person brought in to be the lead prosecutor here, nathan wade. Those should be completely different questions and completely different considerations by the judge and elie, i mean, the other question i had in my mind and maybe Nick Valencia could help us on this question as well. This does not bode well for this case, starting in a timely fashion, i mean, this potentially could be another delay in the case theoretically well, i guess i guess you could look at it the other way and say, well now we only have to deal with 34 counts, okay. Where do you must try his yeah. I mean, look just looking at it pragmatically, but yeah, this case is not going to get tried to verdict before the November 2024 election. Theres just no way even the da is currently asking for an august 2024 trial start date. It takes the da months to even pick a jury. Theres another Racketeering Case in georgia, high profile, but not this highprofile that took them i think eight or nine months to pick a jury. So theres just no realistic way that this case gets tried all the way to a verdict before november and the election yeah. I guess one thing that we need to look out for is the District Attorney, fani willis and her reaction to all of those. I mean, everybody remembers all too well the way she responded to that hearing about whether or not she should stay on the case and she famously said, im not the one on trial here. The former president and all those codefendants are on trial here. I mean, this this is getting to be i mean, this is going to be a very tough, fought out case when it finally gets to court and in front of a jury yes there have been several screwups, frankly, by The Da Throughout the history of this case, going back to the investigative phase, the da god herself disqualified from a small piece of the case because she created a political Conflict Of Interest. The judge who was overseeing the grand jury removed fani willis from the case. Weve seen fani willis make the public statements in the church and elsewhere that have now been called into question that i think violate to the ethics of prosecutorial rules. And now weve seen six of the charges thrown out of the case. And unlike the Conflict Of Interest issue, this does go to the charges against the defendant. This does go to the indictment itself. And there is still the case. The lead charge, the Racketeering Case is still in place but this is a setback. All right. But as Nick Valencia was saying at the top of this segment the whole case is not throw it out. Obviously, much of the case, so the bulk of the case moves forward. Elie honig. Thanks as always for breaking it down for us. We appreciate it. Stay with us well be right back United States of scandal with jake tapper sunday at nine on cnn. Do you have a Life Insurance policy you no longer need now, you can sell your policy even a term policy for an immediate cash payment we thought we had planned carefully for our retirement, but we quickly realized we needed a way to supplement our income. If you have 100,000 or more of Life Insurance, you may qualify to sell your policy. 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There are 155 democrats who supported 197 republicans who voted for it, 50 democrats voted no law. Those progressive members, in particular, some of the younger members as well 15, just 15 republicans voted no 65 in total. Now this bill would call on the chinesebased bytedance, the Parent Company to divest from tiktok, if not this app will pop very popular app of course, would be banned in the United States. This is still an open question though ultimately, how this will play out in the United States senate, there are lots of different ideas about how to do that. There are concerns from the people who support this effort to ban tiktok about the National Security implications of this chinese own company having the private, private data of so many mils millions of americans. The question is, how do they deal within the senate . Some of them are concerned the top supporters in the senate, we have raised constitutional concerns about naming a specific company, taking punitive actions essentially on a specific company in the legislation. So they want some changes. There are various ideas that are going back and forth. The Senate Majority leader Chuck Schumer has indicated that he is in no rush to put this on the floor of the United States senate. They want to work through the Committee Process, but this all comes, of course, anytime of the hotly contested election and real concerns among some of the opponents of this bill that if joe biden, particular the democratic opponents, that if joe biden were to sign this into law, that this could create a backlash among young voters, in particular, people who rely on this platform, influencers who use this for their Business Purposes as well, that this could actually hurt him in some key states that will, well see how the president ultimately deals with it. Although he did indicate previously that he was signed this into law. If it were to come to his desk. So there is still some consternation within the ranks. There are some some republicans who voted against this aligning himself with donald trump, who reversed his position and is opposing this bill as well. So jim, though, we shouldnt take we should also just note it is very rare to see this significant bipartisan majority comforting gather im such a controversial issue in the middle of election year. It just shows you the National Security concerns really dominating here. And the us house. Jim, absolutely. Its a potent issue. The brakes of different ways were republicans and democrats, lets talk about that next. Joining us now, democratic congresswoman mikey, cheryl, shes a former Navy Helicopter pilot who serves on the House Armed Services committee congresswoman, i know you were very much in support of this bill. Help us parse this out for the viewers. What happens next . Do you think its going to pass the senate . I mean, that is a big Question Mark at this point. Well you know, i was working very hard to make sure we had a big vote today, whipping the votes very hard. We had the Intelligence Community come in, yes. Mr. Day, to brief the entire House Of Representatives to make sure people understood the threat posed and had the details of that because weve been moving quite quickly with the youre standing that this is something that tiktok is going to move against rapidly. Weve all ready, seen that many of us have received thousands of calls in our office thats because tiktok is directing people to call the congressional offices before they can get to their feed. We know the ceo of bytedance is over on the senate side, the Parent Company of tiktok, working hard to kill this bill in the senate. But when you see an overwhelming vote like this, a huge bipartite it doesnt vote like this which is rare in these partisan times. I think thats something the senate has got to take notice of. And im hoping very much they will act quickly as well. And congresswoman, i mean, based on what you were just saying a few moments ago that members of congress received a briefing on this im curious. I mean, can you answer the question as to whether china is using tiktok to Spy On Americans. Is that whats that . Whats going on . So heres what we know that that bytedance, the Parent Company of tiktok, under a 20 security law, has to report to the chinese hes communist party has to turn over information when asked. We know that reporters, journalists, like journalists from buzzfeed or financial ties, have had their apps geolocated with whistleblowers. So the Chinese Communist party could determine who was reporting to the journalist. We know that woman and in new jersey and my own home state of new jersey was banned from tiktok when she was trying to post on the uyghur genocide. So we know that tiktok has been manipulated being information we know that they have access to americans private data, and we know that if they, if asked by the Chinese Communist party to turn that over, there provide law required to do so. And what do you say to i mean, some of the folks on your own party who are nervous about taking this very effective tool away from democrats with the president right in the middle of a Heated Reelection campaign, a lot of gen z users, like teenagers, are on tiktok that sort of pulls that platform out of the arsenal, doesnt it . If you effectively ban it here in the us well, i think what were so concerned about and were not were not trying to ban tiktok. So for all of those users, we want the Chinese Communist party to divest of tiktok. People can continue to use that platform fact cepheus is an organization that controls some of the investment into the United States from foreign adversaries. They said that grinder had to have a forced sale when the chinese bought that platform because of all the sensitive personal data of americans, it is still up and functioning after that sale. So this is as a platform that we anticipate will still be able to be in wide use by americans, but more safely with their data protected with more in line with the value is that we have here of Freedom Of Speech, freedom of association. And i think that will resonate. I also think though that you raised a good point, we have already seen the former president who, when he was in office, wanted to ban tiktok now realizing that, tiktok has engaged in manipulating elections the, Parent Company bytedance. We heard that information from taiwan with their election and weve seen the former president now know, you know no stranger to try to get four for an adversaries to support him against our Democratic Values weve seen the former president now changing his opinion and messaging to tiktok that he would be in favor of supporting them. I think hoping that they will come in and skew our own elections here. And thats what were guarding against but what about a lot of young people . I mean, really folks across the spectrum use tiktok for their businesses. I suppose theyre going to be a little worried about the effect of all of this. I mean, youre saying that tiktok will live on, not everybody feels that thats gonna be the outcome in all of this you know, i think that we will see as china divest of this actually people on tiktok able to have a better experience when they know that and they wont be shadow banned if they do something contrary to the interests of the Chinese Communist party, maybe they switch a business, switches Supply Chains out of china, and maybe he, they become shadow banned on the platform. There are all kinds of ways in which americans lives can be manipulated by the Chinese Communist party. If we dont start to take action in some of these very sensitive areas to protect us interests and the interests of the American People all right, congresswoman mikey cherelle, i dont think weve had the last discussion on all of this. Well see how this plays out mikey, cheryl, thank you very much for your time this morning. We appreciate it so much all right. And we continue to follow the Breaking News of georgia is a busy hour this morning. The judge in Fulton County, justice missing some of the charges in the Georgia Election subversion case, you heard that, right . Cnns Nick Valencia is following this nic recap. If you can, what the judge has just ruled well, we want to be clear that this is not the order on whether to disqualify fani willis from this case. We are Still Standing by for that. But in the meantime, the Presiding Judge in this case, scott mcafee, decided that hes going to throw out six of the 41 counts in this indictment. We should also be clear, though the most important count in this indictment, the racketeering count, is Still Standing in this case, but in the short term, the counts having to deal with the solicitation of the violation of an oath and office. So these defendants that were alleged to have tried to get pumped officials calls to violate their oath by creating this fake elector scheme. Or as we saw, the former president and tried to get to the Secretary Of State to overturn the Election Results here, those charges are no longer applicable in this case. Scott mcafee, the judge ruling that the District Attorney Attorneys Office did not provide enough details as to what part of the oath these defendants tried to get these Public Officials to violate any called that ultimately a fatal error. So some of these counts, six of the accounts of the 41, all of them, of course, having to do with this violation of Oath Of Office, some of them having to do with the former president and his attempt at trying to get the Secretary Of State to decertify the Election Results and try to get him to say that he was the rightful winner here in 2020 when he lost the 2020 Election Results. So this is in the short term, a major victory or victory i should say, for the defendants in this case, the case though were still expecting on whether or not the judge is going to remove fani willis and that decision could come at any point. Jim all right. Nic, thank you very much with me as cnns paula reid, cnn legal analyst, Michael Moore paula, what does this mean for the timing of this case . I was talking about this with elie theres a little while ago during this program and i guess he was saying it could speed up the case, but i mean, i would have to think it is a complication for the District Attorney and thats never a good thing no, its she already has a lot of complications that shes contending with. Look, even though some charges against trump and his codefendants were dismissed, the case remains mostly tact, but its also in limbo because these efforts to disqualify fani willis have left it unclear as to whether she will be the one overseeing this case and when it will go, because initially, she had said that she wanted to start this case in august, and its going to last about four to six months but again, thats not likely even if she is not disqualified. Now were waiting for that Disqualification Decision by the judge is expected to come by friday. If he does decide to remove her and her office from this case, i mean, jim, that means more delays because while the case would survive, it would have to go to another office. So at this point, there is so much chaos surrounding this case as so many questions, i think elies right technically that for any other case where you werent dealing with disqualification and the possible election, possibly one of the defendants being reelected to the white house, it could speed things up. But right now, it is unclear if she will be still leading this case and if so, when it will go forward yeah. Michael, i mean, fani willis has a lot of fierce defenders, but i mean, theres just no mistaking that this case has gotten messy yeah. I. Mean, thats right. Im im glad to be both of you and it is this case has turned into somewhat of a a tale of many speed bumps as theyve tried to move forward. There was one interesting note when the judge through these counts out where he said basically the state could ask for an immediate appeal of this if they want to, and i would likely grant that doesnt. Mean that hes thinking that hes not on a fasttrack to try this case anyway, whether or not state does that thatll be a decision they make and they may wait and do that depending on how he rules, ultimately on the disqualification issue. But the order today that that is the granting of the special demurrer or the challenge to the specificity of the indictment was a win for the defense, and that they have basically come in and said, look, the indictment in these Detail Counts and these compound counts that the state is charged against our clients. They havent been specific enough to place us on notice that is sufficient on the constitution to move forward. And the judge said, you know, youre right. They have not talked about those counts enough information to do that. So this part was a win. Its not fatal to the case as a whole. But these defendants are known for chipping away, if you will at the rock until sudden, theres nothing left but a pound of dust. And so well see how much further i guess that is whats going to happen. My goal right. If you have this many defendants, you have all of those Defense Teams who are going to come up with all of these different ways to try to unravel the case well thats right. I mean, in the law says that a defendant where do you have one or 19 i mean, theyre theyre entitled to an indictment. Its perfect in form and substance. Thats a little bit of a stretch under the book because the law does give some backup to the prosecution if they need it, but it basically is a way to challenge these hyper technical indictments. Is brought. Indictments, these broad statements, the say, look, you may have satellite, but you havent told us specifically why you think we have committed this solicitation to get somebody to violate their oath. Youve got to spell that out. So when you put all those defendants together, you end up with these kinds of challenges. And so its not surprising to see an indictment or this size effect face these challenges. It is. I say its another speed bump that the prosecution has run into. Is theyve tried to move the case for all right. Michael moore. Thank you very much. In just a note to our viewers, if youre just tuning in the Breaking News, the judge down in Fulton County has dismissed some of the counts against trump in that Georgia Election subversion case. Were going to have more on this at the top of the hour of the House Of Representatives also effectively a voting to ban tiktok in the United States. A lot of Breaking News this morning, thanks for joining us this morning. Im jim acosta next hour of newsroom with wolf blitzer starts after a short break. Have a great day if you work in spaceflight, this is the worst possible thing i can ever happen my dad died doing what he loved. 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