Critical final weeks beforehand, he is lashing out at his sexual assault accusers and his own attorneys and the man who was once the embodiment of the republican party, dick cheney is casting his vote for democrat kamala harris. Why the former vice president but it says trump can't be trusted with power. Again the 14yearold georgia school shooting suspect in court, alongside his father, both of them coming facetoface with the families of the victims i'm kaitlan collins and this is the source with fewer than nine weeks to go before the election, donald trump secured a pretty big win today regarding his new york hush money conviction. Instead of being sentenced potentially to jail in two weeks from now, he will now be sentenced after november 5, and that's only quote, if necessary, those two words standing out from judge marshawn's decision today, and i'll tell you why in just a moment. But really this decision overall means there will be no bid courtroom drama playing out before voters are going to the polls. At least not in a courtroom here new york, troubles with his attorneys when he found out this news today. That's because he spent the morning in another courtroom for another hearing actually coming within feet of e. Jean jean carroll, the woman that a jury found he sexually abused and defamed, which didn't seem to deter him, judging by the comments that he made afterward. This is a disgraceful case. I have no idea who the woman is and i never met her i'm disappointed in my legal talent. I'll be honest with you. They good they're good people. The talented people. Today at the trial, they didn't mention the dress. I said, why didn't you mentioned that pretty notable to stand there and watches. Trump was surrounded by those very attorneys who represent him on many different cases. As he said, he was disappointed of them and listed off grievances during what was bill as a press conference but didn't involve answering any of our questions judge mershon judge ngoran and judge kaplan very, very hostile judges. I got sued essentially for defamation because i'm denying a story i'm right. I should be suing her for defamation. There were two witnesses one is a woman who's followed me for years she said an 18 79, i was in an airplane with her. She said i was making out with her, that i grabbed her to certain part and that was when she had enough it didn't happen and she would not have been the chosen one. She would not have been the chosen one yes. You heard that, right? trump criticizing the physical appearance of some of his sexual assault accusers now this comes and what you just heard there, it was 45 minutes of that today from trump tower. And it's all coming as some 15% of likely voters and six battlegrounds tonight remain undecided on who they're going to be voting for in november my lead source tonight was at that press conference sitting next to me while trump was going off and venting senior political correspondent for the new york times, maggie haberman. I mean, maggie just obviously, trump had just come out of that courtroom where e. Jean carroll was was just a few feet away from him as he's appealing this third is also a strategic choice. Choice, maybe not that strategic to come out and talk and draw attention to the section full assault accusations against you and sexual abuse findings by a jury. And also his criminal conviction here in new york. I don't know of anyone who was recommending that he'd do this. It's also worth noting he didn't have to be in court today. He chose to go to this hearing and i understand it. He has made very clear he wants to be at legal proceedings connected to him that is invariably going to draw attention to this news conference and he didn't take questions from us as, you know, because you were there as i was there. All this is going to do is call more attention to that as well at a moment when he is trailing badly with women in polls. And so this, certainly he has called attention to all kinds of things that are typically leon helpful for a candidate sometimes it has not hurt him, it didn't hurt him in the primaries when he called attention to the indictment, said he was facing this is not a primary anymore and this is different. These allegations are different and it wasn't just that he called attention to them he laid them out in graphic detail. He talked about allegations that frankly, i suspect much of the public doesn't remember anymore, but if they were tuning in, they will. Yeah. It seemed like what your opponent would be doing two months out from the i'm sure they will be after that press conference. I'm out of reviving all of the nittygritty details of these allegations that have had followed him since he was inside the white house and a candidate and before before 20 16 yeah. I mean, look, he he denies all of them. You saw that their he has said that repeatedly as, you know, well, he thinks that he is his own best defender. Both in a courtroom and on television, and he likes to he likes to be in front of cameras. There are times when that aligns with good politics for him. And then there are times when it does not, and it is hard to see how this may not matter because there's so much baked in with him and it's very hard to imagine how many actual undecided voters there are. I think there are people who are leaning in one direction or another and may say that they're undecided, but they're really persuadable this is not generally a lot of information that you would put the out there and he just gave the harris team a bunch of soundbites to use in ads. What i was thinking was also clearly, this is a very sensitive issue. We know that if you've covered him, you know, the e. Jean carroll thing, especially. But he was making clear harris is debate prepping and pennsylvania. He made clear here's a road map for issues that i'm that i'm triggered by that something was saying, here's potentially a sensitive topic to go after me on on tuesday night, and here's things i might say, depending on how you how you do it and thank many would right with millions of people tuning into this it's just, there's a lot of reasons why i can't really imagine that anyone in his campaign was actively saying, you know what, here's an idea. We're going to take to you you know, you should go do this. He tends to want to do these things on his own and there aren't very many people who say he shouldn't. So the attorneys that were standing there around him, you you can only see a few in the actual camera shot when he was talking. But actually, you can see john sauer on the left, alina haba, will scharf, todd, blanche, and emil bove, who was next to him, boris epstein he was criticizing them, which was maybe one of the biggest, most standout moments from the conference, news conference today, where he was saying, they're good, they're good people, they're talented. But he was critical of how they've handled the e. Jean carroll case. What did you make of him doing that in such a public way it's a way to show dominance. It's a way to say what he wants knowing they're not going to say anything back to him because this is a public setting and they're not going to turn to him and argue. And it's a way to humiliate and that is something that we know that he has done with any number of aides and lawyers, and advisers and employees over a number of decades. He is he is constantly complaining about his lawyers. You know, this this has been going on for decades, even even roy cohn, who he has mythologized as the most perfect lawyer in his, in his death has since his death, he was really critical of in real time and he distance himself from when were cone was dying of aids. So this is now i'll just the latest these, these, these people who have defended him pretty aggressively and in the ways he has asked more often than not up to a line that they try not to have cross where it would cause problems with a judge or a jury. He is still not enough room. Yeah. And he had a lot to say about judges today. There was a moment of kind of disconnectedness between what he was saying about the judge's that his cases are before and what other people say about judges that he likes. I just want everyone to listen to those two moments backtoback they say terrible things about judges. They do with the supreme court justices because they think they're going to intimidated. I think it should be illegal. Judge marshawn judge ngoran and judge kaplan, all of them hostile areas and very, very hostile judges. There were there's a lot there, but, you know, look, trump has been very critical of judges and he has been critical of reporters who cover him in ways he doesn't like for long period of time. He described it at one point in that press conference that i don't think you showed as working the ref and then he started talking about the late coach bobby knight. And then he went we've seamlessly from that and he was talking about the judge's right before he started talking about bobby knight and working the ref. And then he went seamlessly into saying that some of us meaning us in the press should be ashamed of ourselves. I mean, a lot of this is working the raf. He just sees judges as no different than anyone else. And he said openly, he thinks republicans are not good enough that he praised judge aileen cannon without naming her, harb, it's a judge he appointed who dismissed the documents case against him in florida the other judges who were involved in cases that he didn't do very well in. He was very critical of himself there's not a, there's not a specific through line, but he has he has made a career out of working the ref and it's not surprising. Yeah. I mean, the through line was criticizing the judges who don't dismiss the cases were treated fairly even though judge marshawn today, we saw but he did just a little after that and then praising the ones who do dismiss. Well, yeah, i would i would actually make the argument that judge marshawn decision to adjourn the case until after the election or during the sentencing until after the election in that case while i suspect donald trump doesn't actually want to go to prison there is a world in which this would be politically helpful to him because his supporters have been galvanized around moments like that. And he is he is an a student of reader of the political landscape, especially among his base, to probably know that it may have been better for him politically, which everything for him is hinging on this election. It comes to other court case, correct. And i think that he is acutely aware that if he loses the election, that is the case, and there could be the other investigations we obviously didn't get to ask questions. I had a lot about the debate on tuesday night, obviously, he's getting prepared. He's ever met vice president harris inperson, which is kind of striking. It is they'll be coming facetoface a live debate stage. We heard from her today. It seems to be a preview of what she is going to say on tuesday night. Listen to what she said he talks about being so rich he inherited hundreds of millions of dollars from his father and went bankrupt six times. And i think that we know that when we look at somebody who actually has come from a working background and understand the needs of working people that's when working people benefit. And that's the contrast in this election how do you think his advisers are going to prepare him, not just the e. Jean carroll stuff, but but when she's going after him on going declaring bankruptcy and his money and his entire what you wrote an entire book on, his entire come up the new york look, i think that anytime people talk about his family, i think that that can be triggering for him and we have seen that any number of times he's not unused to these kinds of critiques. He has heard these before. He has heard this over the last nine years. I will say just as we get into what people should expect from this debate, i have no idea what is going to have. None of if any idea what's going to happen. But when we went into the debate or when everyone headed into the debate between president biden and donald trump, the expectation from biden's folks was if if if the focus is on trump and if trump is agitated and people, if we get under trump's skin, people will really see that and trump actually he delivered a fairly, at least for the first 45 minutes, pretty level performance and just sort of let biden be the focus i think there is going yes, i think that he will react to some of that. I think his team has talked to him about those kinds of things. I think they are more used to that than other things. I think that there is going to be a lot of focus on trying to show who the vice president is. And i think that's the side of the equation that a lot of people are going to be focused on. Yeah, it is it's gonna be a fascinating debate. Oh yeah. Yeah. And again, anybody who says they know what to expect i think it's incorrect. I mean, it is worth noting. He has he has debated more than she has more recently, and he has done more interviews than she has more recently. I don't know which forum in which format of prep will be more beneficial. Yeah. Maggie haberman, great reporting. Thank you for that up next here, democrats once called him darth vader, but now dick cheney is voting for them they're candidate in 2024, it is a remarkable turn. We're going to tell you all about it. Also, it was an emotional day in court in georgia. Were families of the school shooting and the victims saw the father and a son charged with their own eyes kamala harris, donald trump, the debate everyone's been waiting for follow cnn for complete coverage and exclusive pre and postdebate analysis. 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Tonight, we have now gone from a cheney voting for vice president kamala harris to the cheney voting for harris dick cheney will be voting for kamala harris after his daughter, liz cheney and confirmed how he plans to vote this november dick cheney and his own words said, and i'm quoting him now and our nation's 248 year history, there has never been an individual who has a greater threat to our republic than donald trump. And he added quote, he can never be trusted with power again to underscore just how remarkable that statement is that one of the highest profile republicans in modern history is voting for a democrat in this presidential election. You have to take a step back and look at dick cheney's record dick cheney has held key positions in government for more than 30 years white house chief of staff during the ford administration five terms as u. S. Congressman, secretary of defense under george h bush, vice president to george w bush and when george w bush announced cheney as his running mate in the year 2000, this was the debate that was ripping through washington conservatives applauded his choice of cheney, one of their own, as his running mate, democrats attack george w bush is running mate for being conservative. Dick cheney too far to the right for most americans i should note cheney himself never shied away from that description i supported certainly i do have a conservative record, but i'm proud of tonight, the harris campaign is responding. They say that the vice president is proud to have dick cheney's support. I political sources are here tonight to talk about that. Brian stelter, van jones, and scott jennings who served in the bush cheney administration. So scott, what does it say about donald trump, but about your party the georgia we bush's vice president, the epitome of the republican party for decades is now actively endorsing a democrat for president not only did i serve in the white house, i worked on both of their presidential campaigns. I helped elect this man vice president twice and dick cheney yeah, i revere this man and deeply respect his service to our party. I mean, look, it is shocking for someone like me, you probably for most republicans to hear it. I don't think liz cheney news is all that shocking, but the big, the big tiny news is somewhat shocking. I do think it underscores the split in the party over the old guard and the new guard and also some of the split over the old way of thinking about foreign policy and the new way that the trump group thinks about foreign policy. I look, here's what i think about the cheney endorsement or working class voters in pennsylvania thinking about what dick cheney has to say about this no, i don't think it's going to have a huge amount of impact on movement of people out there. But do i think people in washington and sort of elite corridors are going to talk about it. Yes, i look, i think his statement was a little hyperbolic to be honest. I mean, there's been a lot of enemies of the united states over 248 years. I don't think donald trump is more villainous than everybody who's a wished for the united states to go away foreign or domestic so, but, but this is, it's a surprising thing. Honestly, i was stunned when i heard it what about scott just quickly, i mean, trump called dick cheney an irrelevant rhino tonight for those who are not in the belt like corridor that is republican in name only. I mean, can you really call dick cheney a republican in name only no. He's not a rhino. He's, he's in my opinion, he's a republican in good standing, but obviously he's not in good standing with donald trump and the cheneys and the trumps don't get along. So i'm not totally surprised to see them not on the same page, but the energy of the republican party is not what the dick cheney weighing right now is with the donald trump wing that's just the way the cookie crumbles in this particular election van. What's your take on all of this? come on in the water's warm anybody who loves america should be coming on in we have a big tent. It's the size. Now of a shopping mall because donald trump is a threat to the country if he's not, it's not about foreign policies that oh, well, i see. China differently slightly than donald trump be saying this man is a threat to the country. He spent his entire life trying to protect dick cheney. People should take that seriously and also, i think you should be somewhat impressed with a democratic party that has enough room in it for voters as far left as aoc and as far right as dig cheney because the values of kamala harris is running on our increasingly common sense values that america should be strong. We should focus on freedom we should have a big tent. We should be kind to each other. We should include everybody. This is not some far left crazy campaign and subtracting people across the board in anybody they also wants to come on. We got a big tent. This tent is huge and you're welcome here. Yeah notorious leftist dick cheney i just i really personally can't get over it, just, just processing and same isn't and stelter. First off, welcome back. As our chief media analysts, to have you on the source now that you're back official, everything those new again, in the cnn family and it's great to have you as you are looking at this. And liz cheney today saying she's not an official surrogate for the campaign, but she will be out there campaigning and on the on the campaign trail and telling people, hey, i don't agree with harris on policy. And in a lot of these issues, but i believe this is bigger than that, which is what our data saying. Yeah, i remember the trump wants attacked cheney and i in the same tweet, and i felt i was in good company in that moment looked really interesting characters is a really interesting figure in american politics, even though she is not currently in the arena as an elected official, i wonder if she was going to come on stage during the dnc and make the endorsement in a very visible way and said she's chosen somewhat lower profile forums this week to make these announcements. So i'm wondering, will she be out on the campaign trail with harris at some point? will she make some public appearance? she's clearly thought this through about how visible she wants to be and thinking about whether that benefits harris or whether it doesn't. Yeah. I think she was at the taylor swift concert. She said in london that's true if he had a great reason not to be at the dnc, she couldn't be there, but it's got, you know, looking at this. We also heard from pat toomey, a former pennsylvania senator this week, who was saying he's not voting for trump or harris and said really the reason for trump is because of how he handled the 2020 election and trying to overturn it. Trump today was speaking to the largest police union he was in north carolina and he had a request for them. This is what he said gee, i hope you watch for voter fraud so it starts early, you know, it starts in a week, but i hope you can watch and you're all over the place who can keep it down just by watching because believe it or not, they're afraid of that badge. They're afraid of you people. They're afraid of that more than anything else. They're afraid scott. What do you make it out? well, he wasn't just speaking to the largest police union. He was accepting the endorsement of the national fraternal order of police, which represents hundreds of thousands of police officers. So it was actually a pretty big day while cheney was doing harris, he was getting the fop which i would argue was a bigger deal in terms of, you know, campaign endorsements today so i, you know, i mean, this is his campaign. He's got the cops and i think it's going to be actually a pretty good pivot in a shield for him when democrats come after him for his legal issues, calling them a felon or whatever. If i were him, i would say, you know, if the police were worried about it sure didn't show up when they endorsed me the other day. So i thought it was a big yet, but it's got sorry. I meant the sentiment of what he was saying that they need to keep an eye out for voter fraud and that people are intimidated by them. Is that what we really want the police to be doing? watching for people who are committing crimes. I mean, i don't know, maybe i mean, i i mean, like they have several of the play in that i guess, but i mean, look, he he thinks voterfraud is happening even if it's not happening and he wants everyone to watch out for whether they're cops or not. This is not a new comment or request from him. I mean it it does though raised some concerns for folks who feel that there may be some voter intimidation going on, whether it's from law enforcement or words just from this apparently big volunteer operation is being whipped up to kind of quote, unquote, watch the polls which could be experiences like real vigilante the type of activity. So look, i mean, i think it's really unfortunate. We have a great election system. We have regular, everyday americans who are now having to risk their lives. They just sit there in their garage and let people vote because we have a president that just will not get off this pogo stick bring down american putting down our elections electoral system in the idea of him enlisting law enforcement in this fantasy as is disturbing to some people. I think yeah, it could be disturbing to a lot of people, especially given what you just said there, scott, there is no fraud even though he thinks there is great to have you all here on a friday night, especially you stelter. Welcome back. Thanks. A reminder. Cnn is going to have complete coverage and exclusive analysis before and after that debate on tuesday, you can watch the abc news presidential debate simulcast right here, 9:00 p. M. Eastern. Your favorite hour on tuesday on cnn. Up next, the father and the son who are charged in georgia school shooting that we brought you that news last night, they were in for today, as we're also learning more about some pretty incredible actions taken by heroic students who tried to save their teacher this election stay with cnn with more reporters on the ground. 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And that is what led to what we saw today, the 14yearold accused shooter joining his father in the same georgia courtroom today for separate hearings as colt gray face the judge, the families of the victims were sitting in the front row one woman that you can see here was seen holding a stuffed animal of the disney character oswald the lucky rabbit, cradled in her arms the suspect is facing four counts of felony murder, and the charges against his father, two counts of seconddegree murder, four counts of involuntary manslaughter, and eight counts of cruelty to children bruun are the most severe ever filed against an alleged school shooter's parents. My next source tonight had unprecedented access to the first landmark prosecution of the parents of a school shooter, washington post reporter at john woodrow cox. And it's great to have you here, john, because you embed it with the michigan prosecutors as they were pursuing those charges against jennifer and james crumbley. It was after their 15yearold son killed four students at his school shooting back in 2021 and when you look at this tonight and we're just seeing something that we have rarely, ever seen in the united states before. I wonder what parallels you do see between that case the crumbleys, and what's happening now in georgia i mean, i think there are a lot chilling parallels. In fact, i mean, there's the there's the alleged history of warning signs. Certainly both cases, there's the allegation that in each case that the gun was a gift to the, child and frankly to just the severity of the charges. Right. I mean, a lot of illegal experts i believe these charges last night would have ever happened without jennifer and james crumbley been convicted earlier this year? well, and also the speed of them. I mean, last night when it came down but they were charging the dad that was the first thing that came to mind for me was had michigan not happened would this have happened as quickly a georgia yes certainly. I believe experts, i've talked to you don't don't think so as somebody who's been in the heart of this issue for a long time. I've been reading about kids getting access to their parents, guns for 67 years and for a long time, long time, this was incredibly rare charge of any kind. We're talking about murder charges here. But even misdemeanor charges were virtually unheard of for the parents of school shooters. So this is a really enormous leap and especially in a place where second amendment rights are really held dear, it's so much more conservative place than we saw in michigan. So this is this is meaningful, and significant for a lot of reasons. So when you were following those prosecutors in michigan they were i mean, this is still untested. We don't know actually, if there'll be successful here, we'll see what happens. And just obviously the evidence is, is important here. What was the biggest concern from prosecutors? what were they weren't about could potentially mess up their case prosecutors, attorneys, they want to decide things based on precedent. They want precedent for anything that they do. And there was no precedent for what karen mcdonald decided to do in the state of michigan. And there were people in her own office, veteran attorneys era but office you were adamant that she not pursue those charges. So people have talked a lot about the precedent is said, and then it opened the door and provided cover for all these other prosecutors maybe to pursue similar charges. But the stakes were enormous because if you consider the alternative if that case with those set of facts really strong set of facts, if they're found not guilty, if there's an acquittal than the idea that a prosecutor could ever hold another parent accountable in a case like this. It's probably not going to happen. It's really unlikely anything that stands out to you that seems different from what we've learned about georgia it's a lot of family members telling telling the post and other outlets the warning signs were there. The police for help or they are we know that we have the audio of the dad being interviewed by investigators just last may, and then months later, buys his his 13yearold son, an ar 15 as a christmas president. Anything that stands out in this case to you you know, i think the weapon the weapon itself. I mean, that was a nine millimeter in the state of michigan and the shooter there had been really focused on that particular weapon and wanted to use it at a gun range that was sort of the argument that he used how you justify buying a 14yearold if that is in fact, what's proven to be true, minor 14, an ar 15 that is that's a pretty stunning detail a lot of them here at john wood or cox, thank you for your perspective tonight. Thanks for having me. We have more tonight on the big note, news is voters are soon going to be casting their ballots without knowing whether or not donald trump is gonna be facing potential jail. We have our legal experts here on that major announcement and decision and by judge marshawn today straight things in change, it change and wide. I'm not changed sexual orientation. I'm not changing the political party. We're going to go to the house with what we got here. Okay. 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District court judge for the southern district of new york it's a judge looking at this ruling from judge marshawn, we knew it was coming out today. He said in part, this is not a decision that the court makes lightly, but it is the decision which is in this court's view, best advances the interest of justice do you agree with him? i do. I think he made absolutely right. Call. It does not a close case for me. It would have been wronged to sentence him now because whatever sentence he gave upset half the people one way or the other. And there's no point. He said it. I don't want to put a thumb on this scale before the election, so he was pretty direct about that. Yeah. He was in a if he does if he doesn't situation joey of what this looks like, but he was arguing, trump is going to get treated like any other defendant, but he has technically getting different treatment because he is running for president, you know, great point. Kaitlan without question, but i think at the end of the day for me, it comes down to confidence in our legal system. And obviously if he would have sentenced him, i think he was mindful of the political implications. He was mindful of what people would think about his decision and about any bias associated with it that he was mindful of putting his thumb on the scale in terms of whether it would influence the election. He says in his opinion, 41 days out or whatever the sentencing date would be. I believe that was the specific time. And so i think i would agree with the judge that it was the absolute right. Call in terms of the integrity of our system of justice. And trump's legal team, they think this should be thrown out, but they were pleased with today's ruling from a legal perspective, there's questions about the political aspect of it. But what stood out to me were the words, if necessary, which means that's because trump's team is arguing that because of that supreme court immunity decision, that this conviction shouldn't stand at all, which is also a decision that judge merchan is going to face. Right. And he's going to make that just before the sentencing date. That's why he says, if necessary, to show that he's still thinking about what is it's gonna do, but i don't think there's a chance. I don't think there's a chance that he's going to overturn this conviction. So the only question was, is it the right time to impose sentence and, you know, trump remains a convicted felon. It makes no difference at he's not sentenced, he's still a convicted felon, and harris can call him that all she wants because it's true so they're just putting off the date of sentencing. It's right thing to do. Why do you think that there's no chance that he grants his immunity argument and throws it out because there's so much evidence as obviously private conduct can't be official conduct to pay a porn star off. It just can't be. So i know the arguments that yes, there was some testimony right. From a white house person from hope hicks this and that, but it's not enough to make a difference. It's it just doesn't change the calculus of the evidence in that case. And it was a pretty headspinning day as far as court decisions because before that, trump was in court for a hearing, appealing that eugene carroll defamation findings found obviously liable for defaming her in sexually abusing her joey. I was at the press conference at trump tower where he came out and this is what he said after it's a madeup fabricated story by somebody i think initially just looking to promote a book and when they called me, i denied the store. I got sued essentially for defamation because i'm denying a story. I'm right. I should be suing her for defamation he did try to sue her to counter service. Don't help because it had no merit, but but my question stating there was is does this count as defamation again, i mean, what listen, cycle. Yeah, it really is. I mean, some people never learn. And so that could be the case, right? but of course, we're in an election season and as a result, he has to do do what he has to do. I think that this particular case, the real allegation is were these two witnesses that were allowed to testify, did they move the needle in a way that would be so overly prejudicial. And the two witnesses so everyone knows are the witnesses about the groping and the attacking on the airplane, et cetera. The access hollywood tape and whether or not that was so overwhelmingly prejudicial as to buttress e. Jean carroll's testimony to make a nobrainer in terms of the verdict this could end up in another court you know, that kaitlan because this is federal and we do have something called scotus, don't weigh supreme court of the united states. And so i think we'll see appeal, appeal, appeal and who knows what? they do judge supreme court is not going to touch this one. I'm convinced of that there's a basis and rules of evidence to allow this. I think it was used properly here. I don't think the second circuit is going to overturn this, but i've been wrong before but are you so very few? surprises the judge to see him coming out and still talking about her i don't think anything surprises judges anymore when it comes to trump. He says what he wants to say. Judge scheindlin, great to have you, joey jackson. Thank you both. Right now, i should note tonight, we're also this hour closely following this boeing starliner's return home and what you're looking at is an empty space capsule. It is currently flying toward earth. That docked from the international space station about three hours ago the capsule took initially two astronauts to the station, nearly three months ago but they are still stuck on the iss for another five to six months because nasa deemed the capsule too risky to carry the crew back to earth. Cnn's kristin fisher is following all of the latest developments, kristen, i mean first off, the fact that this is empty and coming back is notable in and of itself, but they're boeing said it was safe for the crew to come back on this. Why did nasa disagree? nasa says kaylin that there were simply too much uncertainty, like how much risk is acceptable when you've got two nasa astronauts lives on the line and there was just so much uncertainty and risk frankly surrounding these faulty misfiring thrusters, kaitlan. And so the nasa administrator, bill nelson said when they announced this big decision, he said, you know, hey, nasa has made mistakes in the past with the space shuttle challenger accident, with the space shuttle columbia accident, he said quite frankly that those accidents were front of mind when they were making this decision and they just said that this level of risk was simply not a level of risks that nasa was willing to take. And so now those two astronauts, butch wilmore and sunny williams, you know, kaitlan, they had been training in this lifesize mockup of the international space station here at the johnson space center. They've been trying to spend about eight days up here. Now, of course, they're going to be spending about eight months of at the international space station. Yeah, it's just remarkable to see that timeline, but abby, i guess this theory of what boeing is arguing and what nasa is arguing will be put to the test. We're going to see the reentry happen. All of this is taking place in just the next four hours for us tonight alone. So what are you going to be watching for i'm going to be watching how those thrusters performed during the critical deorbit burn and kaitlan, that is really the moment of truth for this starliner spacecraft if all those thrusters fire properly, if it's able to reenter the earth's atmosphere with the proper orientation heat shield forward, the parachutes deploy and it lands safely in white sands, new mexico, then boeing is going to be able to say, hey, nasa, we told you so. But again, from nasa standpoint there, were major issues with starliner even if it does land safely beneath these parachutes in just a few hours so again, from nassar's perspective if there is even a little bit of risk and they have a backup option. Now the spacex crew dragon capsule than why take that risk, but still truly kaitlan, this is the moment of truth. Yeah, boeing and its starliner capsule, and we're all going to be watching it very closely with you, kristin fisher, stick with cnn tonight through the night we're going to be having live coverage of the capsules returned to earth minutes before midnight. It is going to enter the atmosphere atmosphere before it ultimately lands. And mexico, you'll see it all here on cnn up next, a powerful reminder from an extension of our cnn family that you will not want to miss. I promise every weekday morning, here are the five things you need to know to start your day, get the news, you need about this for an earnings call headline in five minutes or less cnn's five things with kate bolduan, streaming weekdays on cnn. Com, and mack the pros for have i got news for you are pretty yeah. 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And alice, i'm so excited to have you because everyone has been through, you know, being a kid, you just instinctively trust adults. But when you went to the hospital and you're in a lot of pain, you're misdiagnosed by the doctors that you would trusted to help you tell us what happened next when i was misdiagnosed, i felt betrayed i learned so much from this experience by advocating for myself and what happened, coming back to school was really, really difficult for me. It was hard for me to reenter my life. And after my initial misdiagnosis in the hospital it i lost all my faith and adults, all my trust in being a kid, lucky up two adults. Yeah. And i mean, everyone i think can understand that given you had trusted them and it was something that you were in severe pain every day. We're talking to your dad about this when it was happening. And what i'm so impressed by with your new book is how you not only learned from a terrible experience that you went through, but you wanted to share what you learned with other kids that even adults and just what drove you to write this book after my illness, coming back to my life was really difficult. It aged me in a way that i can't. It's hard to explain, but my friends were everything was different. And i wanted to find justice for what happened to me. I felt coming home and my family was different. Everything was different after my misdiagnosis and i wanted to find justice and i wanted to do this for the kids that don't have a dad that can call the head of the hospital because that's what my dad had to do. My dad called that at all possible to get an xray so i could figure out what was wrong with me and that's how we found out that i had appendicitis and my dad, i'm so grateful for my privilege and i know not everyone has that, so i'm doing this and i want to share my story for all the kids out there who don't have that privilege. And i'm no, i'm so blessed and i just want to keep sharing my story to spread the message of using your voice and to warn people and tell them that you are your best advocate and to warn them about the dangerous of misdiagnosis it's amazing to hear you say that to talk about what you know that you understand that you have a parent who is who is fighting for you and has the ability to do that. You have to incredible parents. I should note, and i wonder when i was reading through your book obviously kids can learn so much from this about using their own voice in speaking up and advocating for themselves in a situation like this. But what would your advice be for other parents who are watching in light of what you went through i think the parent's perspective is so important because seen what my parents had to do when i was so sick, i was relying on them for my whole life and all i could do was tell the doctors how much much pain i was in and trust them and trust my parents. And i think parents the most important thing is to push for your kid if your kid is telling you that they're still sick, that they feel sick, you need to believe them. You need to push for them and to make sure that they get better because no kid wants to be sitting in a hospital bed because just want to go outside and play and hanging out with their friends. And it's scary to be at the hospital. It's really scary to be shown a pain scale and to advocate for yourself and parents just need to push further kids and encourage them to use their voice and advocate for themselves. Alice paul tapper, you certainly do that. And we're obviously so proud of you and so grateful for you joining morning and just sharing that experience, not just here on cnn, but also in your book. And i hope everyone reads it. Thank