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Ive heard of alpha, were maybe on mute and set a new one. I have to learn thats the next, next, next up yeah. Theyre using whatever comes after tiktok but yet all the memes that are going around, a lot of those have basis and misinformation. I mean, weve heard Stories Conspiracy theories about j. D vance and pieces of furniture and things like that. Sometimes that joke goes too far. And some people, even Gen Z say, oh, is this sort of thing true . So just as were seeing on the rice, the crazy stuff about Eating Cats And Dogs and mice and ohio, a little bit of happening on the left to resolve and thanks very much. Thats it for us. The news continues the source with Kaitlan Collins starts now seeing t the Source Tonight, Donald Trump declares no more debates as Vice President harris is trying to goad him into a Room Match what is Pete Buttigieg make of it all. Ill ask my Lead Source live and just a moment plus all the former president s friends, one of them is a 911 truther, apparently, who just accompanied him to none other than the 911 memorial, once He Graham says this person is toxic and her words are disturbed perfect and a major announcement is Brewing Tonight about that iranian backed effort to hack the Trump Campaign. Im Kaitlan Collins, and this is the source the Debate Rematch is off. Apparently, Donald Trump rejecting Vice President harris has challenges. He returned to the Campaign Trail Today for the first time since his first face off with harris has everyone saw two nights ago, we had a monumental victory over comrade Kamala Harris she immediately called for a second debate, which means that she was like a Prize Fighter that lost a fight. She was a No Show at the Fox Debate and refused also to do nbc and cbs. So because weve done two debates and because they were successful, there will be no third debate too late anyway, the voting has already begun its too late. Anyway, the voting has already begun. A shirt doesnt sound like the Donald Trump that we saw and heard from just a few weeks ago so we have. Those, three dates and those networks there very anxiously awaiting that date. And those dates, we think we should do three debates so what changed between then and now . Perhaps ardent Trump Supporter republican congressman Mike Collins can tell us he posted right after the debate on Tuesday Night, quote, you want to know who won find out who refuses to do a second debate . Its probably not how the gentleman from georgia is tenth district thought that tweet was going to age. Meanwhile, tonight, the Vice President is clearly hoping to change her Opponents Mind Daring Trump Today, too. A second showdown. I believe we owe it to the voters, they have another debate and what is at stake could not be more important she was out on the Campaign Trail Today. The Vice President also mocked her Rivals Debate Performance during that return in North Carolina intends to end the affordable Care Act now, think about that. Think about that. As he said then in the debate, he made clear he has no plan to replace it. In fact you remember plan, which means no actual plan now the Harris Campaign is predicting to cnn tonight that they do think there will ultimately be another debate. Were hearing from one official who said theyre not taking trump at Face Value when he says the debates, roth arguing instead that he changes his position every day. Trumps own allies were telling me, just as of yesterday, they thought he would certainly show up for round two. We will all have to stay tuned. But in the meanwhile, my lead Source Tonight is the former president ial candidate and the former mayor of south bend, indiana, Pete Buttigieg, who i shouldnt notice here in his personal capacity, not as the transportation secretary, what did you make of trump saying today . No more debates between him and harris . Well, i remember back when he was saying any time any place, but what changed of course is he got beat. He doesnt like being beat. He doesnt like being embarrassed. So im not totally surprised that hes changed his position backed off doesnt want to go through that again, do you think that there will ultimately be another match . Do you think hell be able to because you and i talked about this last time you said that you thought trump was scared to go on the Debate Stage with her. Do you think there will ultimately be another one . Hard to say. You know, there may come a point where the dynamics billed against him and he decides he needs to do Something Thing Anything to shift attention from her winning message, maybe that would motivate him to change his strategy beyond trying to predict what his strategy will be in the future. What i do know is it was a great night for her and it was a really rough night for him. And i think the most important thing about it was that if you watched the debate, he really talked about three things. He talked about himself. Most of all, he talked about her quite a bit and he talked about Joe Biden quite a bit. She as much as possible was talking about you, about the american voter, about the american people. And thats the most important difference in this whole campaign that he is focused on himself. And to some extent still, even now focused on Joe Biden and she is focused on the Big Question that voters were asking, which is hows my life going to be different under a Kamala Harris . Pressed presidency where shes focused on things like affordability of fair tax code, protecting a womans right to choose versus if he becomes president , again, and we are thrown back to the kind of chaos that we experienced with him the first time around do you think that she needs another debate though because hes obviously a pretty wellknown quality quantity. Hes already been president. Hes run again. Shes much newer to the american electorate. And you see that in the polls when it comes to those undecided voters, does she need another debate closer to Election Day in your view . I think the debate went well for her because it was an opportunity to actually talk about the difference in their visions and the difference in their records. But its not the only way to get that across. And you see her campaigning proactively and energetically around the country to continue to get that message out. Youll see the same from tim walz, of course, and her support i think that will be the most important element to continuing to take her message to voters and earn this, this victory. You know, shell be the first to say there is still an Underdog Dynamic here. Shes going to have to work to gain every inch of political ground here. But thats exactly what shes doing. Well, when you ran, you really saturated the Media Market in the sense of your strategy was to go but anywhere to talk to anyone to really build that Name Recognition and obviously worked for you. Is that something she should replicate in the sense of interviews, press conferences, not just the Campaign Trail appearances that weve been seeing well, every Candidate Figures out of mix and a style that works best for them. Summer more focused on covering a lot of geography and traveling a Lot Summer focused on more retail, some preferred town halls, some prefer interviews. What i will say is that she has done well in every test thats been thrown at her. I remember early on when she came out of the gate. So well, people said, well, yes, she doing great now, but after the Honeymoon Week ends, then it wont go so well. And yet, she did. And they said well, its going well for now, but once she sits down for a big interview, things will change. Sat down for a big interview. My great same thing with the debate. But again, shell be the first to say that this is going to be a roller coaster. Look eight weeks is in one sense as the Blink Of An Eye in another sense, its a political eternity. And every campaign will have good days and bad Days Advance lets his and setbacks. And i think shes done a good job of preparing her supporters and her campaign for that. But again, the most important thing is that every day shes talking about the american people, about what shes going to do to continue to create jobs, what shes going to do to grow Small Businesses in this country what shes going to do to help with childcare . Good thing that Donald Trump seems literally almost physically incapable of talking about every time he gets a question about it, you get a strange ramble that raises The Question of whether hes ever actually considered Childcare Policy seriously. Shes various about it wants to expand the child tax credit, wants to make sure that we have paid parental leave in this country so thats going to continue and i think thats how shes going to win. Yeah. That answer youre referencing is the one he gave to the New York economic club last week that that didnt really provide any alternate any concrete legislation that he would support. Thats being polite. It was giberson. But on the debate itself, obviously, debates are good. They are informative. People get a chance to look at these two candidates who want the access to the nuclear codes themselves. But from a political calculus, doesnt move the needle any. She had a strong performance on Tuesday Night, but when you look at theres one major poll thats come out and its just one, but it doesnt show much of a big shift for her, does it actually boost her standing . What does it look like . I think it matters, but nothing no one night. No one event, no one appearance, no One Debate is going to decide this as matter of fact, now, were getting into the stage of the campaign where the thing thats going to decide at most is that groundwork, that organizing people who believe it is important that she when reaching out to friends doing the doorknocking the things that are really takes to gain that ground. Look for better and for worse in todays america, any president ial campaign is a game of inches. Its high, high floors, low ceilings for both of these candidates. And she knows that. What do you make of what were hearing from trumps allies . Well, as Tonight And Trump himself who say whoever calls for a rematch immediately, its a sign that they lost the debate i dont think anybody well, obviously, theyre obliged to say otherwise, but but i dont think Anybody Objective thinks that she didnt win this debate. Certainly when you look at what independent voters had to say about it, what most americans had to say about it. But again, look, just because you won the debate, which she did doesnt mean you get to win the election. Thats why she got right back out there and is back to work trying to earn more votes. Yeah, thats a good point. People argued Hillary Clinton won the debates in 2016 obviously she did not win the election. There was a moment though, on the stage, who are all talking about trump after. And obviously, what he was saying. But there were a few things that harris herself said that stood out to me. Just take a listen to this sachs has said, is that Donald Trumps plan would make the economy worse mine would strengthen the economy in this election, i actually have the endorsement of 200 republicans who have formerly worked with president bush, mitt romney, and John Mccain including the endorsement of former Vice President Dick Cheney and Congress Member liz cheney. She also talked about owning a gun and the second amendment. I mean, that is not the Kamala Harris you Saw Running in 2019, obviously, a democratic primary then but but what do you make of hearing that from a democratic Nominee Bragging about Goldman Sachs improving their economic plan, a Dick Cheney endorsement, talking about how they own a fire her arm. Well, shes done a lot to remind the democrats of why were excited about her, but its also her job to expand the coalition and shes giving us a lot of good reasons why you dont have to be a democrat too. Want her to win. I think pointing out that even the Business Community, i mean, Goldman Sachs is about as respected as it gets in a part of the Business Community thats usually considered more conservative, but even they are looking at the Trump Plan saying, this is bad for the economy. Shes reminding people that shes not to caricature that they would portray as they always do of any democrats. Theyre going to come take all your guns away. Thats just not true. And i think its especially notable No Matter of fact, i think unprecedented that so many people from his party are going out there and saying vote for her. I mean, the idea that you would have a coalition in this country that includes people from people like Bernie Sanders to people like me to people like Dick Cheney all saying for different reasons, but all saying Donald Trump has no Business Being president. You got to elect Kamala Harris is important, but the other thing is, its not just republicans whove worked for george bush, who are saying you should vote for Kamala Harris, a shockingly large proportion of republicans who worked for Donald Trump people he picked are turning around and saying either not saying anything with holding their endorsement, which itself is very telling or saying that you really shouldnt be voting for him. That is the most telling thing of all, not just establishment republicans, that he never liked anyway, his own people are running screaming for the hills and dont put this guy back in power. I think Dick Cheney technically formerly endorsed her before Bernie Sanders has formally endorsed her, though he obviously supports are people that i do ask you about whats happening in springfield. So stick around if you will. Were going to take a quick break and be right back out of this because from dogs to geas, we are still hearing false claims being made by Donald Trump about Haitian Migrants and pets and ohio. Also, this comes as tonight, some of his top allies are warning him about hanging out with a 911 truther, including one you may not its fact i got news for you . Its coming to cnn this fall pros and cons less pro hosted by Roy Wood Junior Row with Amber Ruffin would likely in black okay. What are the cons we could run out the news by then . Never could it were still on fire thank goodness for both, got news for you Premiere Saturday at nine on Cnn And Streaming next day on max if youre shopping for a home realtor. Com only shows you homes for Sale Source directly from professionals, meaning you can trust every Home Listing is a realistic dont all have to do that. Not really. 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When you say i mourn liebermann at the pentagon, and this is cnn trail in arizona today, Donald Trump repeated a false claim that haitian immigrants in springfield, ohio are abducting peoples pets its recording of 911 calls, even show residents are reporting that the migrants are walking off with the towns geese they take into geese you know, where the Giza In The Park and the leg and even walk off with their pets. My dogs been taken. My dogs for so this is going only happen these people are the worst he is repeating something that he amplified to 67 Million people on Tuesday Night during that debate, except then, of course, trump said they are not only taking pets, but also eating them as officials have said, and we have repeated endlessly on air, there are no credible reports that that is happening. People to judge is back with me and i think whats important about this is that this isnt just something thats happening online or on the Debate Stage. The City Hall in springfield, Ohio Today had to be evacuated because of a bomb threat. Luckily, everything was was okay. Hey but just to see the impact that something like this could be having on peoples lives. What do you make of what whats happening . This is a strategy and theres even more to it than demonizing immigrants, although thats obviously part of what hes doing this is a strategy to get us talking about the latest crazy thing that he did, Whatever Urban Legend he amplifies right now, its about people eating cats are geese or whatever because he cannot afford for us to be talking about his record. He doesnt want us talking about the fact that we lost manufacturing jobs on his watch even before covid which is why the United Auto Workers against him. He doesnt want us talking about the fact that his main economic Policy Promise he actually kept was to cut taxes for the rich. He doesnt want us talking about how he demolished the right to choose in this country that hes the reason that even idf could be banned in many places in this country. The last thing he wants us to do is to talk about his record or his agenda. What he wants us talking about is whatever crazy nonsense he can thrust into the center of the internet and the Media Conversation which this week happens to be, the stuff about eating cats or dogs are geese or whatever you think its just a distraction technique. Yeah. I mean, but its one that isnt harmless, right . Its affecting this community and it contributes to this bigger picture of demonizing immigrants. But again, this is strategic. I dont give him credit for much, but whether its this whether its blurting out a racist remark in a auditorium full of black journalists, as he did a few weeks ago, whether its choosing 911 of all days to invite a 911 truther who said it was an inside job with him, right . All of these things are to a purpose. And the purpose is to do something so outrageous that we have to talk about it, that journalists have to go in if for no other reason than to run it down and debunk it when its false and to try to suck up all the oxygen into that so that were not talking about his profoundly unpopular Policy Agenda Project 2025. And all of the failures of his actual time in office yeah. Of course, the project 2025, founder trump, theyve tried to distance themselves from that but its interesting what you say about why theyre saying this, because i spoke to senator j. D. Vance after the debate and pressed him on this. And he kind of said essentially that they were even if it wasnt true, they were glad theyre bringing it up because it drew attention to whats happening in springfield. Listen to what he had to say we heard from a number of constituents on the ground, Caitlin Hu both firsthand and secondhand reports saying this stuff is happening, so they very clearly the meaning the people on the ground dealing with this, think that it is happening. Senator, you talked about that your office has a l mean, if someone calls your office and says they saw bigfoot that doesnt mean they saw bigfoot. Why . I mean, you have a ever since Horror Sensibility as a Running Mate and he certainly does as the candidate to not promote false information, right . Kaitlan, its a totally fair point, but nobody is calling so my office and saying that they saw bigfoot, what theyre calling and saying is we are seeing migrants kidnap, our dogs and cats and city officials arent doing anything about it. The other part of that answer was he was saying that even if they have to mean their way to get attention on springfield, which has had 20,000 Haitian Migrants. A move there, which is more nuanced than that, how its been portrayed he was saying its basically kind of worth spreading information that may not be true that we know is not true. Know theres lots of different simultaneous reasons why hes going to spread lies. I still think the main one has to do with distracting from their own agenda and the things that make the Trumpvance Ticket and policies and j. D. Vance, in particular, so unpopular. Now, theres also well, obviously a pretty dark and twisted picture that hes painting of immigration earlier today. I saw that j. D. Vance went on tv and said that if immigration were part of how countries become prosperous, then quote, america would be the most prosperous country in the world, which makes me wonder what country does j. D. Vance, Vance Think is the most prosperous country in the world since he doesnt think its america and also, does he really think that immigration has nothing to do with american prosperity . Most americans disagree by the way, most americans also disagree with Donald Trumps decision to kill the bipartisan Border Bill that Kamala Harris has pledged that she would sign if it came to her. So rather than have us talking about that, he wants us talking about people allegedly eating cats, which is not happening. And then the other Thing Theyll do, of course, is because this is a country of 300 Million people, theyll probably sooner or later find some case for somebody somewhere. Did some weird do a cat and try to make that into a reason to prolong this debate so that we could be talking about anything but Donald Trumps Track Record of destroying jobs in this country and destroying the right to choose and the fact that if given the chance to do so again, thats what he would double down on. You brought up the How Trump sunk that bipartisan Immigration Plan that that Lankford And Murphy and others put together. Harris brought that up to on the Debate Stage. Its been the one point that she turns to on immigration, which is one of her weakest polling areas, immigration and the economy is that enough for voters to just say, well, trump sunk this plan that didnt come about until about earlier this year, february or march. And therefore, hes being hypocritical or do voters deserve to hear more about what she would do on immigration . Well, i think certainly its an important Data Point from the past that tells you how unserious they are about solving the problem problem. In fact, they need the problem to get worse so they can keep campaigning on it. But i do agree that every election is about the future thats why she talked about what she would do if a bill like that came to her desk. Every issue that were talking about, the recent past, its with a view toward the future. So for example, when she points out the fact that in this administration they were able to get the cost of insulin for seniors down to 35. Its not just that thats the thing that happened. And therefore, we should be rewarded politically. Its that if republicans stopped blocking us, we could have 35 a Month Insulin for every american and not only for seniors whether its an issue like that, that issue like climate where its not just that we had the Inflation Reduction Act passed. It was major climate legislation, but in the next few years all of these Auto Manufacturing jobs and clean energy jobs happening in places like Northern Indiana where i grew up, will either be destroyed by Donald Trump gutting that legislation or those jobs will continue to grow by somebody serious about climate change. Thats whats going to happen next. So i do agree that on issue after issue, the past is a source of evidence on what will happen next. But the most important thing is what will happen in the future. And another big theme of the debate was Kamala Harris talking about the future and representing even a generational contrast about the past. She was asked would you have done something differently than Help President biden did . I mean, for example, he did not sign that the Executive Orders curbing asylum and taking these tougher actions on the border until in the last few months some people may look at that and say, well, she was there the last 3. 5 years. Should there have been more action sooner lows Executive Orders were a response to congress failing although congress tried because Donald Trump went in, intervened and prevented any progress from being made. But again, The Point is whats going to happen next. She has been cleared hear what she will do next, and were also pretty clear by the way, you know, who wasnt clear on what theyre going to do next. As president , whenever the going got tough with Donald Trump, he was given the opportunity to say whether he wanted ukraine to defeat russia and he wouldnt say it. He wouldnt say they want ukraine to win. And he was given the opportunity to say, if he would veto a national abortion ban. And he didnt say that he would veto it, which to me is a pretty strong indication that he would sign it yeah. Pete buttigieg. Thank you so much for your time tonight for being here. Thank you. Up next, as mr. Buttigieg just mentioned, it is a Conspiracy Theorist who said 911 was an inside job and a big red meat. Now she wasnt the 911 but memorial yesterday with Donald Trump, were going to take a closer look at the woman you see here on your screen not for me. Now, this is more like it, same goes for my foot worth. 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Com tv on the edge premieres sunday, September 22, did nine On Cnn some very often that Senator Lindsey Graham and Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor greene agree on something. But those two trump allies found common Ground Today is they jointly rebuked the farright activists selfproclaimed a supporter of white nationalism, and also to top it off, 911 truther that Donald Trump has been surrounding himself with for months. Listen to Marjorie Taylor Greene today concerns about her rhetoric and her hateful tone. I think there are a huge problem that doesnt represent maga as a whole about Laura Loomer. You may not know this name unless youre on the internet, but she was seeing here getting off Donald Trumps plane in philadelphia just before the debate on tuesday. She was then part of his entourage. The next day, september 11, the 23rd anniversary of the attacks accompany king him to the 911 ceremonies that day. That is despite how she wants described the worst Terror Attack on american soil as a quote inside job. Yes, through really did look the post there she told Cnn Today that she didnt see what the issue is about her going to the 911 memorial with Donald Trump trump and all of this may not exactly be surprising to you if youre listening given the rotating cast of people who are often buying to place themselves. And Donald Trumps orbit talked to the former president a couple of times. I talked to the president as much as i need to. I spoke with the president i spoke with the president on Monday Night but those are republican politicians. Trumps history of meeting with extremist is visible from the Guest List of his clubs at times remember when he dined with Nick Fuentes at maralago, someone who is a white supremacist and Holocaust Denier heres Donald Trump with Loomer Toasting what they said was the hostile takeover. This is loomer and fuentes. I should note, toasted what they said was the hostile takeover of the republican party meantime the rapper formerly known as kanye west, who made white nationalist and antisemitic comments, also got a white House Meeting once and was seen at maralago The Question is, why is this outraging trumps allies now, people like Marjorie Taylor Greene and lindsey graham, weve been talking to people. Its because loomer has the president s ear and a moment where hes in a tightly locked race against Vice President harris. And a lot of them fear that shes going to be a distraction are you you look so beautiful is always a woman with courage . You dont want to be, you want to be lured to be lured means something like this, facing one of the protests that she has spent years staging, like when she handcuffed herself outside of the twitter headquarters, or when she went to iowa before the caucus, is there to confront governor Ron Desantis at a Hotel Law Avi that was when she was accusing his wife of playing up her Breast Cancer Diagnosis to generate sympathy. Laura loomer has backed Conspiracy Theories about vaccines, celebrated the deaths of migrants, and also made false claims about employees of the federal government and the new York Judge who handled the trump hush money case. Just to name a few, heres how he talks about her its great to have you and youve been really hard and you are times reporters, Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan reported in april last year that trump wanted to hire her officially for his campaign. Outrage and sued over that report and ultimately didnt happen. But maybe it didnt need to my sources are from the left and the right tonight, Paul Begala and Sarah Chamberlain, thankfully, not Conspiracy Theorists are and sara thinking about this, i dont think its a surprise. Trump likes Laura Loomer. Ive talked to people about this. She talks to her a lot definitely is not the first time she shes been on the plane lately. But i think when his political allies look at this, you know these two months for the election, they want to bring in moderate voters. Does this help with that . Absolutely does not. And it kind of scares them. She has her place, she fires up his base and obviously he enjoys her company, but right now, to win the election, he needs to the Middle Of The Road. There republicans who arent with them yet, the haley people. And then he needs Middle Of The Road democrats are willing to switch over and then the Independents None of this helps in that i mean, she just turned some off. I was in nebraska it last night. Theyre like, who is this woman and why would we vote for a man who keeps her close by and he needs to win these people as one electorial vote there where i was last night, and i think The Question ive heard from Pupil Paul is the influence she has on him . I mean, Donald Trump said theres enough things on his own. I think even his closest allies would, would agree to that. But what she says and what he repost, and were at a moment where theyre blaming Haitian Migrants for abducting, abducting pets were not the idea of the bad influences on him makes it even worse for those around him will he seeks them out, doesnt eat mean he is a former president he can get advice from anyone. He wants. Well, what we have to country okay. Half the country cant stand, but have country 40 loves him why he used to have oh, say Rex Tillerson who ran the largest corporation in the world exxonmobil, secretary of state. You know what he said . Mr. Trump is an fing moron. He had jim mattis, a fourstar general what did he say . He said trump has the understanding of a fifth or sixth grader had general hr mcmaster, who called him an idiot, a Dope On And on. I could go on he had quality people. I wouldnt agree with him on politics or policy, but their quality people and theyve all run away from him like the double runs from holy water. So hes down now to the Laura Loomer is of the world because thats where he wants to get advice. I mean Marjorie Taylor Greene, who herself was not a stranger to conspiracies, which she later apologized for and said cheap. She was reading misinformation, fed misinformation she, Laura Loomer have had a longstanding feud, which i think is part of what youre seeing today. But for her to come out and say, this is bad stuff. Does does tell you something . No. Sure does. I mean, shes very controversial in her own right. So we need to pay attention to her. She knows she wants Donald Trump to win. We want to get the White House were not going to do it this way. Weve got to go get those independents. You know what else she knows her State Of Georgia has a surging population of asianamerican pacific islanders. Turnout in that community in georgia jumped at 4 between 2016 and 2020. It is booming there, and i maybe on the scribing too much political acumen, congresswoman greene, maybe not i know the data though. This is where the voters are many of them are very moderate. They are definitely in play. There predominantly democratic now, but they are in play. And it could be that the Content Something from georgia knows that georgia has his huge pool and rising every day. At turnout. I just i just looked up registration rather is through the roof Api Americans as well yeah. Its a remarkable moment. Well leave it there and see if we continue to see her flying around with foreign president Paul Begala, Sarah Chamberlain thank you both. 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The postdebate survey from reuters and Ipsos Shows Vice President harris slight edge over former president trump, which means that right now there is little change in the state of the president ial race. Thats about where things stood two weeks ago. Now, of course, more could change in the coming days. This is just one poll and we always say, polls are just a snapshot. But both candidates were certainly campaigning like its a tight Race Today out and respective battleground states, you see harris on the right. She was touring in North Carolina, which trump won narrowly in 2020, but hurt cant believes is in play in 2020 for meanwhile, trump was on a rallying in arizona, relitigating his 2020 Election Loss in that state, a state that he won in 2016. My Sources Tonight at the table, our two political insiders democratic pollster, margie omero, and the Editor And Publisher of inside elections, nathan Gonzalez March you know, when you see what happens on Tuesday Night, the pundants agree and seemed to believe that harris won that debate. Should there be a noticeable Polling Bounce this close or is there ever going to be when what does that normally look like . It takes a little while because one pulse take a little while to conduct and it there are people are processing the news as theyre hearing its not just watching the debate as its happening. Theyre also getting, they may have only watch a little bit at the debate or not watched the debate and hearing what people thought, seeing clips watching on tiktok, whatever it is. And then by the time they are called by a pollster and then that poll comes out of The Field and is launched out into the world that may not be a week or so after the debate. So its not a surprise to me that the change that we see is small or within the margin of error because it may take a little while if there is any change because ultimately theyre going to be voters who are going to view a debate through the lens of the candidate that they support it before the debate started and democrats are going to emerge feeling pretty excited like i did watching the debate and there may be republicans who emerged saying this is what i like about Donald Trump. Yeah, its just small slice of the electorate that were really even looking at that are the undecided voters, right . And im just, im skeptical with the proximity to the debate. Like what marjorie was talking about but also, i feel like a broken record. Its a national poll and we dont have a national election in this country. So lets wait a few days and lets start to get polls out of North Carolina, arizona, nevada, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, and see how those voters, the independent voters in those key seven states. How do they react to the debate . And did it matter . What did you hear from Trump Today when he was on the trail in arizona . What in appealing to those voters and who they are trying to i mean, relitigating the 2020 election is not a winning strategy. And we know part of this specifically in arizona because Kari Lake the candidate the republican nominee, who lost the 2022 gubernatorial race. She wouldnt she cant give that up. So she lost that. And that has hurt her standing if she had just lost that close race and moved on, she would probably be in a stronger position in the Senate Race this year, but trumps using the same strategy and i dont think thats gonna be effective in arizona. I think shes still disputing it. Still was embarked on on her her Senate Campaign and marching when you look at pennsylvania, obviously that has been an area that is it is a mustwin for either of these two candidates. And this has been something that weve been trying to drill in on when it comes to voters and what this looks like. They are harris had her own strategy there. I just want you to listen to what she had to say about this at the debate. Oh, i would be sitting in kyiv with his eyes on the rest of europe, starting with poland. And why dont you tell the 800,000 Polish Americans right here in pennsylvania how quickly you would give up for the sake of favor. And what you think is a friendship with what is known to be a dictator who would eat you for lunch i mean, the 800,000 Polish Americans living in pennsylvania was a very targeted shout out for you. Dont fia right . Right. I mean, look, shes demonstrating this is the difference between Harrison Trump and thats a bay, but also all the rest of the time which shes speaking to the american people. She looked at the camera. Shes talking to voters. Shes telling stories about different kinds of voters. Shes talking about what her plan would be to help americans. And hes talking about himself. Hes talking about himself, how grady is you know, what, how much he inherited where he went to school or whatever it is. Hes talking about himself in a way that is people are, you know, dont, dont seem to like anymore in pennsylvania looked like it was a mustwin for biden and his traditionally been a Must Win for the democratic candidate if she, but it looks like its being stubborn for harris. I mean, it seems like she hasnt bounced back quite as much compared to the other swing states. Yes, shes underwater there compared to a michigan or wisconsin that is. Well, if she doesnt win pennsylvania, he needs to win North Carolina or georgia in the fact that were talking about North Carolina now, is a thats a difference between where the race was with biden versus trump, North Carolina and looked like it was solidly with trump and now its a tossup and thats good news for him. Does she need to have North Carolina and georgia . I think you need to win four of the seven tossups and at least i think she can do it with a combination of other states with North Carolina or georgia. What do you see about i mean, thats one path to 270. What are you see . Yeah. I mean, look the icc by expanding the map youre creating more opportunities in are also forcing and the other side to spend money and resources to keep up. And so thats what youre seeing. And thats thats the strategy that all campaigns up and down the ticket are doing to make sure that they are where they need to be, but also for saying the other sides to spend resources that maybe they didnt want to spend well and how does that help with what harris raised in theyll 24 hours since the Debate Ability is 47 million, if not totally misstating that number. But but i believe thats in the neighborhood of what the Harris Campaign says she raised in this 24 hour mean, the more money you have, the more places youre able to communicate. Some of these states are gonna be so saturated, theyre going to be looking for other places probably the big prize of democrats have a lot of money is can they reach back into florida and pull florida back into play . I dont think its there yet, but that would be huge. Well, on top of that, when you talk about, for example, arizona and North Carolina, those are states that are about 20 voters of Color Spanish voters, and black voters and so the targeting, its great to have options, right . And more money gives you options to do that kind of targeting an outreach to those communities to make sure getting out the vote, those poor souls in pennsylvania, i got a glimpse of the ads. They are non Stop And Tv channels. Margie omero, nathan gonzalez, great to have you both. Thank you so much. Up next the u. S. Government is now preparing tonight to have criminal charges in the hacking of the Trump Campaign. A Story Weve been following closely here. It is backed by by iran. Well tell you more about what those charges could look like right after a quick Break Cow Objection to the birth. Oneonone episode was overwhelming the most emotional scene was the Decision Murphy may to not get him the Vice President reacted as differ was a threat. 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Com if you are loved one have Mesothelial Mac will send you a free book to answer questions you may have call now and well come to you 800 a21, 4,000 Justice Department is preparing to file criminal charges against iranianbacked hackers who carried out a complex Hack And Leak operation against the Trump Campaign officials believed that the hackers work for israel, irans Islamic Revolutionary Guard was what was behind it and they specifically targeted internal Trump Campaign emails and documents all an attempt to influence the 2024 election. We are told tonight these charges could come as soon as next week. My Source Tonight is chris krebs, who served as the nations top Election Security Official before he was fired by Donald Trump for saying that the 2020 election should was safe and secure on these charges that were told there imminent. First, what do you make of the impact it and are they actually followed by Arrest Indictments . I mean, what does this look like . Well, that tends to be the challenge because these hackers, whether there are iranian or the russian hackers we heard about last week out of the svr, the military Intelligence Unit they stay in safe haven, safe harbors. There is no Extradition Treaty with russia or with iran. So they tend to be beyond Arms Length of american Law Enforcement. However, they are constrained to iran or russia, and they will not be leaving because if they do Touch Ground and france for instance, or somewhere else it will get swooped up. But there are a couple other elements of these indictments. They are very clear messaging in signaling tools. These, hey, we know who you are we are seeing inside your infrastructure. We know how youre operating in the fact that they can pull together an indictment so quickly . Yes, they may have been starting they may have started the investigation back in june, but the fact theyre able to pull together an indictment potentially for unsealing next week shows that Law Enforcement and Intelligence Community are poised. Theyre ready to go and they are taking it very seriously in what is a very serious election. Does that work . Because deterrence of sword, i mean, theres obviously saying this you know, were eight months or weeks out from the election. And thats the concern. I think people have, is what does this activity looked like . The closer we get to november, it is a deterrence measure. Its deterrence by cost imposition. Now, you may not again be arresting them, but youre constraining in them within geographic boundaries, they are staying within iran. But again, we are showing them that we know how they operate. We are uncovering and tearing down likely some of the Command And Control infrastructure that they are using to launch these hacks. And that to share the stolen information we are exposing it. Were taking it off the table in it is causing them to use their energy, their own time, and resources to rebuild their infrastructure. One thing thats notable about this is how in 2016, the doj was caught flatfooted. The Intelligence Community overall was caught flat footed. It seemed by, by the level of russian interference and the election. And what that ultimately looks like. What do you make of, of how theyre officials . Maybe not always on the record, but but in indictments and in statements are talking about what theyre seeing happening to these campaigns. Well, there has been an kind of an ark of improvements since 2016. So youll recall in 2020, there were hackers that were out of a Proxy Unit for the Intelligence Services in iran that pretended to be the trump, were rather the proud boys they sent intimidating emails out to voters in several states. They found confidential data that again, that was exposed and about 72 hours. We were i was at the Department Of Justice alongside Fbi Director Wray in the director of national intelligence ratcliffe. And we said, these are iranians. Theyre doing this americans take this seriously, but also were looking out for it. Though. There were subsequent indictments there. We are seeing an even faster unveiling now that in my view is good, that were deep, there were investigating were on top of it and were declassifying rapidly to call out that act but also conveyed to the american people that we are taking this seriously. We are ready to go and were going to protect this election, but does it worry you are we going to see more of this, more attempts at Election Interference before november . I think its goes without saying, yeah, absolutely. This is a key point because these are not added Hocke Oneoff activities. So the hackandleak against the Trump Campaign was not a single event. Its part of a bigger strategy. They tried to do dance the Biden Campaign at the time as well it is just one kind of i said had a tweet about this th