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Pushback factchecking. But humanizes her in a way and allows her to speak in a very emotional, and absolutely in a moment like this, you see one of the Core Strength so if Kamala Harris, as a public official, shes spent years as a district attorney. She was sit and meet with families. I saw her do this. We were in buffalo, New York after the tops Market Shooting as she sat with the families from that shooting, and she looks them in the eye. She talks to them its a really personal way that is, that really grabs the people in the room and willing they makes everybody know that shes there for them and shes going to fight for them when this is over. I want to thank everybody on the Panel Tonight for being with us. Thanks everybody for watching. Ill be back tomorrow night. Hope you joined me. The news continues right now. The source with Kaitlan Collins starts now evening. Im Kaitlan Collins and sources his across the political spectrum tonight, say the Republican Party has a major problem on its hands with potential implications for the president ial race. And Donald Trump, cnns kfile has uncovered a slew of posts made by the republican nominee for governor of North Carolina, Mark Robinson. You see him here in just 48 hours before trump is scheduled to return to that critical battleground, he and the rest of us are finding out that the candidate that he endorsed posted dozens of disturbing comments on a Porn Forum between the year 2008 and 2012 Mark Robinson calling himself in his own words, a Perv Writing that many things that are too to sexual and in nature and frankly too explicit for me to even read on tv. But i will say this about What Robinson wrote. He said that he enjoyed transgender pornography despite the antitrans rhetoric that hes been using lately there were also racist and antisemitic statements included in that. Like when robinson caught himself and these are his words. Again, a black nazi in 2010 he also said that year that he supported reinstating slavery writing quote, slavery is not bad. Some people need to be slaves. I wish they would bring it back. I would certainly buy a few now before this report came out, but after robinsons other offensive comments to be clear, trump previously praised him as the Martin Luther King on Steroids Tonight in response to this reporting by Kfile Robinson is denying it all saying that its not him and also saying he wont withdraw from the race this is not these are not our words and this is not anything that is characteristic of me nor has it ever, has it ever been. This is not things that we would ever say or even think how can you deny with all of these matching details that this is you look, im not going to get into a new Sheriff House on my manufacturer this all these salacious tabloid lives, but i can tell you this. Theres been over 1 Million spent on me through ai by Billionaire Son whos bound and determined to destroy me. The things that people can do who were the internet now was incredible heard there was a featured speaker at the Republican National Convention not long ago with trump calling him one of the greatest, great leaders in our Country Trump is not saying that tonight. And then actually the Trump Campaign Statement doesnt even mention robinson by my name. I will note his campaign did not invite Mark Robinson to trumps rally there on saturday, despite the Lieutenant Governor of being at most, if not all of trumps recent North Carolina events three Senior Trump Advisers tell Cnn Tonight that there have been no efforts on their behalf to Pressure Robinson to withdraw from the governors race my political sources are here tonight. They are the former republican congressman adam kinzinger, who has endorsed Vice President harris. I should note California Congressman and a surrogate for the Harris Campaign representative, ro khanna, and cnn senior political Commentator Scott jennings, and congressman kinzinger. Let me just start with you. When you hear what Mark Robinson is saying there to Andrew Kaczynski after this report you know, trying to argue that its ai or internet generated. I mean, what do you make of his response to this report . I guess in the era of, you know everybody doubles down, nobody admits mistakes or fault. Its, its to be expected. I hope nobody actually buys that. His argument there. The sad thing is there are many people that will still probably vote for him. I read one of the just before we got on one of the posts that cnn isnt showing. And i got to tell you its, its beyond anything. I even imagine what this in terms of its, how disturbing it is. And so look, hes again, hes made the decision to stay in and i guess he has till midnight to drop out. Hes obviously not going to do this. This is devastating from a campaign perspective. Obviously, hell lose North Carolina. But the Trump Campaign ought to be very concerned because if there are people disheartened by him, theyll either not show up or maybe theyll vote for kamala or whatever. And so this is, this is not good for them for a very close state and again, really disturbing stuff. This is beyond just you know, sexual behavior. Its their stuff that theres a reason that Cnn Hasnt printing and when you get say it on Cable News, obviously, its pretty bad. Its just that explicit and i should note that scott, the nc gop, just put out a statement a few moments ago and i was curious how they would respond and theyre saying that robinson should should stay in this race. Im quoting them now they say the lufkin tried to smear Mark Robinson. All they want. But when voters go to the polls on Election Day, they are going to be asking one simple question. Are you better off now than you were . Four years ago . I mean, this is not a smear by the left. This is a reporter who uncovered comments that he made as a grown man. What do you make of the state parties sticking by standing by Mark Robinson. Oh, a political party standing by the nominee of a party. Im not surprised by that. I mean, i would be pretty shocking actually, if a party they decided to throw their candidate off the ballot, although it did happen one time and one other Races Summer that weve covered i think in the case of North Carolina, what are the questions i have . Number one, was Mark Robinson likely to win in the first place . The answer is no. He was competitive, but i think not likely to win. This door does not make it any easier. Of course, because of what adam just said. I mean, its pretty pretty rough stuff. Number two regarding the issues will it affect Donald Trump . I would just note in the last two elections democrat won Governor Trump still won the state. I dont think it works that way. And whether this hurts Mark Robinson or doesnt or hurts him a little, hurts him a lot. I dont really think its going to have any impact on Donald Trump whatsoever. He endorses a lot of republicans. In fact, he endorses does most republicans. And i dont think he owns the Oppo File on every single person that he endorses any more than any other national figure does when they support the people in their party. So i think the Trump Campaign feels good about what its doing in North Carolina. They feel good about their Apparatus Robinson may have his own problems, but i really dont think its going to impact trump and ill just add one other thing, andy is it good reporter and all year long, he has been doing lots of reporting on both parties, including a lot of reporting on Kamala Harris and people like me have come on here and touted that reporting is important. And so i dont think he can pick and choose and so count me as a Kfile Believer until proven otherwise yeah were all were all Kfile Believers. They do a great job. M. Steck as well. But scott, let me just follow up with you on that because on the Trunk Aspect of this, i am curious what what is going to happen come saturday . What would Donald Trump is in North Carolina just before this report came out . I want people to listen to what trump has said about Mark Robinson so previously Luther King on steroids. I think youre better than Martin Luther King. I think you are Martin Luther King times 21 of the great stars of the party. What are the great stars in politics . Lieutenant governor Mark Robinson. Now my great supporter of his. Youre in credible Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson is a hot politician had fallen collocation Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson, real star, great guy, friend of mine, Mark Robinson i mean, scott, obviously thats more than just an endorsement thats going Above And Beyond to praise him. So as, as a republican does he need to distance himself from Mark Robinson on saturday . I dont know what he will do. I wouldnt predict it. My advice to him would be do whatever is best for you because right now now the highest and most fervent view of most republicans in his country is hit Donald Trump be returned to the white house, and he has to run the campaign and he needs to run to get that done. I love all these other races and everything else downballot. But for Donald Trump and for his campaign high command, if i were in their shoes, i would do only what was best for Donald Trump in order to win one . Of the three most important state its pennsylvania, North Carolina, and georgia and whatever they deem is in their best interests. Thats exactly what they ought to do congressman ro khanna, democrat here, youre seeing the Harris Campaign responding to this report, which had a lot of anticipation building up for it online today, posting these pictures of Trump Robinson and trump together, obviously, comments like the ones that we just played of will likely be circulated by them. What North Carolina voters do here. I mean, would they hold it against trump if he, if he does try to distance himself from robinson, what does that look like given it is holding North Carolina is essential to trumps strategy to winning in 2024. Well, first of all, let me thank scott for at least acknowledging the reporting and the factbased reporting that cnn did. This is not a tabloid and it said, in a democracy that robinson is not engaging in fact, based argument. You know what he couldve done. What a candidate in the past may have done and said, look, i said things that were completely outrageous ten years ago, ive learned ive grown, i admit my mistake, and the american people are forgiving, but hes unwilling to confront the obvious. And i would say, look, theyre not usually reverse hotels and ive endorsed people who i regret to. But the question is, what is Donald Trump going to do now . Does he have the courage to say those were terrible atrocious remarks that robinson made, that robinson should own up to them, then robin should or shouldnt should apologize. Hes going to be judged on how he reacts to the matter now, not being tagged for an endorsement, he made well, thats a good point in the sense of its not just this kfile report. I mean Mark Robinson has been controversial offensive figure. If you want to put it that way on the Campaign Trail and congressman kinzinger, just this is just the last few years. I want people to know maybe determines miller with him as a candidate. Listen to what hes said before this came out Saturday Night go to the Mens Bathroom freedoms were lost during the civil Rights Movement that shouldnt have so theres no Reason Anybody anywhere in america telling about ten generalism homosexuality jd, or that Field Republican could win in North Carolina potentially, but is this a Candidate Quality Issue . What do you see about your party in this moment . Yeah. I mean, youve got to look back at the primary. I forget the name of the person he was running against, but i think it was a female and i dont remember but was kind of a mainstream republican. Im probably would be really set to potentially win this race. But in the primary and weve seen this a lot and in my party is whoevers the loudest the angriest, the most radical but usually makes it through a primary. Does that work . Sometimes shirt sometimes it doesnt and so a lot of this stuff about Mark Robinson as you just pointed out, which was important, was no, not the details of what were learning today, which is like, oh, my gosh. But there was a lot of stuff where every i mean, he was already significantly down in the polls in this and where i dont think its going to affect Donald Trump in terms of, you know, people are going to say, well, if Donald Trumps supported him, i cant support trump. I you know, i think they can leave robinson, but what it could do is it could bring down some of the enthusiasm. I mean, this is like a Gut Punch to anybody thats a republican in North Carolina to learn this and a race thats going to be so close, any kind of an attack on motivation can make a huge difference. So i do think scotts right. A lot of its going to determine what does Donald Trump do after this point, if he sticks with Mark Robinson and defends him and calls him martin Martin Luther King Times Two for gods sakes, by the way. But itd be calls him that and he, does own some of what Mark Robinson did if he is quiet or actually denounces him, that i think he has a position to say i didnt know. I didnt know its going up, but there was a lot that was known prior to this i mean, scott, do you want to see you, marc robertson, just get out of this race tonight. He has gotten until midnight, i believe. I mean, thats thats his choice when he did win a primary and he is the sitting election in North Carolina. Im in my assumption is that he tried to get out of the race democrats would try to block them and keep them on the ballot. So it would probably lead to a protracted fight i again, i go back to my initial reaction to this. He was down i think unlikely to win in the first place. You know, as a Party Matter what a protracted fight over trying to keep him on the ballot being the partys best interests i dont know about that, so its all happening so quickly. There may just may not be time for that to happen. And so you just got to play the hand youre dealt like from the Republican Party that he, they think he should get out. The one in North Carolina, of course, everyone. Thank you for being here. And of course, thanks to kfile for that excellent reporting also, right now on the other side of the Campaign Trail, oprah is hitting it for Kamala Harris for the first time. You dont often see her out touting her for muscle. Of course, that she has. Were going to tell you what is happening at this event after a quick break costs, selective coverage for countless americans, the complex Specialty Care they need is always felt just out of reach at ever door. 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As you can see here its also bringing together more than 140 grassroots groups ranging from socalled white dudes for harris to Cat Ladies for kamala this grassroots, people powered movement behind Kamala Harris has unleashed a unifying force. Unlike anything weve seen in politics, in a very long time, it actually is Hope And Joy rising theres been you feel it. You can feel it. You can feel it bring in senior correspondent for the grio, Natasha Alford and former republican congressman charlie dent. Great to have you both here and its not just looking at this this event with oprah out on the Campaign Trail. Obviously she is someone who uses hurt her muscles sparingly, but but in an a powerful way when she does choose to use it, of course, everyone remembers for speech from the democratic convention, or with obama. When you see something like this and that 200,000 people according to the Harris Campaign, have signed up to watch what do you make of the Effect Oprah can have on a race like this well, when oprah speaks, people listen for many of us we went home after school. She was one of the first people who watched on television she is somebody who is an artful storyteller. And a teacher. And what i saw tonight i think i might be having a Computer Issue here, director in nevada, tracee ellis, how can you hear me . Im sir here you go ahead yeah. Yeah. Okay. Great. So what what i saw tonight was just for brilliance, her ability to translate what people are feeling on the ground. They talked about economic struggles, they talked about the affordability of homes, and they talked about reproductive rights. And so to be able to have these kinds conversations, do so in a relatable way and to have Kamala Harris right there explaining her positions, talking to people directly. Is that powerful Oprah Effect that we often saw when we watch the oprah show. Again after solar for all those years in our homes so i think its brilliant. Its smart. And because she is selective about when she speaks, we know that it has power in xi means when she says she supports Kamala Harris well and congressman, obviously what were seeing, i mean, oprah is one of the biggest surrogates, obviously a campaign could get. Were seeing a former president obama make his way out on the Campaign Drill soon in the next few days. Is this the time when youre if youre in a campaign where seven weeks out from the election to deploy your biggest surrogates yeah, its crunch time now. So of course youre gonna deploy your surrogates right now they need to get the most people who need to be persuaded need to be persuaded now. And i never thought endorsements mean a whole lot, but obviously, Oprah Winfrey and Taylor Swift or copd cultural icons. And this game is going to be won lost on the margins. So any little bit helps. So i suspect its a net positive for the Harris Campaign that these folks are out there beating the bushes for her at this critical moment. But its still going to be very tight race. I mean, its not gonna move that many votes, but maybe enough, thatll make a difference. Yeah. There was these moments that are what do people see . Obviously, theres 200,000 people in this live stream. But, but what do owed other voters in critical states outside of Michigan Sea and natasha, there was this Moment Tonight where were oprah was talking about the way when harris became the nominee and how she took the top of the ticket just want everyone to listen to what oprah how she described that moment you make a speech like the week before, which was a great speech nice . And then, then next week you walk in those moments in our lives where its time to step up, time to step up, step up. Natasha, this is the question here and the sense of what we saw, the enthusiasm when harris became the nominee. But, but the terms of what oprah is describing there, what happened in the beginning and stretching that out and making it lasts until Election Day. How does the, how do democrats maintain that . Maybe thrown back to the legislatures of the state . Well, i think it was brilliant what she highlighted, right, that there was this moment where Kamala Harris seemed to come into her power. The truth is, Kamala Harris has always been there, right . Shes always had many of these strengths in many of these assets and shes always been doing the work, but it was up to people to pay attention and it was also up to the powers that be to position her to be seeing and for those strikes to come through. I think that framing was really smart. I think that is was going to carry her through to the finish line. Right . She has been doing the work behind the scenes i mean, tonight, that moment with the parents and the family of Amber Thurman who died because she wasnt able to get the medical care that she needed in this post roe era, people had tears in their eyes and it was a very tangible real thing that highlighted that at one point we had freedoms that we no longer have and that peoples votes can literally save lives i think that emphasis on saving lives and the power of the vote to do that, that is going to carry her across the finish line. Shes always said she has to earn every vote. I dont think shes taking it for granted. I actually think shes being very humble, contrary to some criticisms, as shes feeling like sheing to earn these votes and i think that is whats going to make the difference yeah, what this is in michigan obviously trying to reach voters outside of michigan, pennsylvania is a Mustwin State for her charlie and you know, that better than anyone and swedens pole, the polls shows the two Candidates Harris and trump in a virtual tie. They are, and i wonder, what is your sense of whats happening on the ground . Were looking at the numbers every single day. Were looking at polls that are just in these battlegrounds. What are you seeing about what the candidates need to focus on the ground . Well, what im saying this is coming down to just a simple turnout election. Which candidate is going to be able to really motivate his or her vote and get them to the polls. I mean, we say that all the time, but i really mean it here because it is so close and you look at the Philadelphia Media Market in harrisburg Media Market together, thats probably 58 of the but i suspect she will drive messages on womens reproductive rights. I think it will be more resonant there and maybe than in other parts of the state in the western part of the state, she needs to talk about the economy and jobs more effectively but at the end of the day, its tight and are there are two counties to watch . North Hampton County where im from and that area of the Lehigh Valley and erie county. Im going to make one prediction. Whichever candidate wins North Hampton County, pennsylvania is going to win pennsylvania is going to win the presidency, same is probably true of erie county. So if you want know anything, just watched those two counties. There has been polling done in those two counties that show its very tight there as well, with harris with a very slightly keep an eye on that. But again, its all going to come down to turnout thats what this game is about right now you know, we love a good prediction here. Charlies, so we will all be watching North Hampton County always on my map of pennsylvania, charlie dent, Natasha Alford, great to have you both. Thank you so much. And she helped prep Donald Trump for his debate that everyone is still talking about. Were actually seeing new polls of what voters thought about that debate. Were gonna speak to a top surrogate for the Trump Campaign. Tulsi gabbard here next taking a break from Breaking News to air. Have i got news for you . Breaking news. Im getting a sandwich. We need to talk about what constitutes Breaking News provide got news for you saturday at nine on cnn yeneneh, and stream next day on max what is the dumbest thing youve ever wasted money on . 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And this cnn new Polling Tonight that shows voters were impressed by how Vice President Kamala Harris performed in her debate with former president Donald Trump the latest numbers show that 67 of voters, likely voters, i should say, say that they believe harris did well 40 said the same of Donald Trump the numbers hold across demographics when you dig into this, its a majority of every race, age, and education levels saying that harris, they believed did better. Of course, you look deeper into these numbers and the race itself remains deadlocked. My source on all of this helped prepare Donald Trump for that debate and is now a Trump Transition Team cochair, tulsi gabbard, and its great to have you here. You know, when you, when you do look at these numbers and we talked about pennsylvania a moment ago. But just overall, weve got 46 days to go before the election. Neither one of them has a decisive advantage. What do you think that trump needs to do over these next seven weeks to change that i think hes going to continue to stay very focused on reaching out to voters not taking a single person for granted, and talking to them about the issues that they care about most that impact their everyday lives. The most. This is such a unique situation that we all find ourselves in where we have two people running for president who actually have a record. So its not just about, you know, how are these empty campaign promises. Voters will actually be able to compare the record of President Trump through his first term in the white house. And the last four years under Vice President harris and joe biden. And there are very clear contrast between them on almost every single major issue that americans are concerned about, whether were talking about the economy and the cost of living, something that was drastically lower for most americans under President Trump than what theyve experienced over the last four years. We look at border for security. We look at crime, we look at domestic policy and Foreign Policy in each of these areas, President Trump will continue to share with voters his record of success and remind them about how overall the quality of life for the american people was much better under him and why he looks forward to coming back into office to improve their quality of life. Once again you helped prep for the first debate. Do you think a second debate where i heard from some advisers and allies who thought he did not do a good enough job drawing that contrast, the first time do think a second debate, where maybe he, he did that for would be helpful to when we look at these numbers yeah. Kaitlan, i think i think the numbers that you just showed, you know, peoples opinions on the debate versus how theyre actually going to vote that the race is still very close, kinda just illustrates frankly how these debates have become nothing more than political theater the political pundits like to focus on and talk about a lot and and a lot of the Mainstream Media likes to talk about the debates. But when it comes down to voters, what they really care about moser are hearing from these candidates about their issues and about their record. And so ive had personal experience with this when i ran for president in 2020 was a frustrating situation where youve got what, 90 seconds, maybe two minutes to talk about very serious issues that that people are impacted by every day. President trumps going to continue to stay focused. He is working hard, he is traveling and going and seeing voters exactly where they are. You talked about a disciplined campaign and having that when trump is in North Carolina on saturday, a Mustwin State do you share the concerns that others have about Mark Robinson and the new reporting that came out today about the candidate and the comments that hes made Given Trump has has in fact medically endorsed him. Do you think he should disavow him what ive seen in the news today. Those are questions for Mark Robinson, President Trump is running for president , not Mark Robinson. So what i know is that he is going to continue to stay very focused on his mission and not be distracted did from his effort to try to save our country from the disaster that would occur if Kamala Harris is elected as our President And Commander in chief. And so thats whats driving him. Thats what he cares most about. And thats what hes going to continue to stay focused on doing. Yeah. I just think weve heard concerns about whether it hurts turnout or how republicans in North Carolina feel about that. Of course, with Mark Robinson at the top of the ticket, of course, underneath Donald Trump as hes running in that state. But i want to ask you about another issue in this election because youve spoken very candidly and really personally about a struggle that youve had with ivf, which is something that i think a lot of women can relate to. I know a lot of women can relate to because weve, weve had many of them on this show. I wonder if you have concerns that the Trumpvance Ticket alienates other women who may have gone through that when we talking about past comments on childless Cat Ladies, or when governor sanders, Sarah Sanders of arkansas saying, you know, her kids humble her, but harris doesnt have anyone to humble her i think those things are some of the many distractions away from actually sharing with voters what President Trumps position is on ivf. I spoke to him about this. He didnt know i was going to ask him a question. He didnt know what i was going through, but we did a Town Hall and in luck crosse, wisconsin where i shared with him the struggles that my husband and i went through in trying to start our own family and how we went through multiple rounds of ivf as part of that process and unfortunately, it didnt work out for us, but it does help so many families and President Trump shared with me what he has been consistent in all along hong is how much she supports peoples efforts who are going through these struggles. How much she supports ivf, even going farther than i think anyone else has it as far as i know in politics and making sure that we have access, as you know, its extremely expensive, even for Service Members in the military. Tricare doesnt cover ivf for him to take that action and say he wants to make sure that its accessible for everyone, even if you dont have money, this is the truth about President Trumps position on this, as well as a whole host of other issues that Vice President Kamala Harris and many in the Mainstream Media continued to lie about and foment fear about as though he is not supportive of families and women who are going through this very tough period yeah, weve never said that hes not supportive of ivf. He himself has stated that, but youre the Transition Cochair and trumps plan about paying either having the government pay for it or insurers cover it is there a plan in the works to develop that because Tom Cotton told me earlier this week that he had not been briefed on one yet what President Trump is focused on earning the Trust And Confidence in votes of americans in this country, as you pointed out, we have just what, 46, 47 days left before Election Day and thats what hes focused his energy on right now. I know there are people who are working on the Policy Front but he is very much focused on getting out there and speaking the truth about his record and Kamala Harris is records so that people can understand the truth and not be distracted by all of these other things. Its also gabbard. Thank you for joining us tonight thanks. 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The threats, of course, coming after what we saw happen on that Debate Stage where Donald Trump followed by his Running Mate j. D. Vance, earlier in the day amplified false claims that haitian migrants in Town Or Kidnapping and eating peoples pets two walmarts at a planned Parenthood Center were evacuated just yesterday while ohio governor Mike Dewine has said all of these threats were hoaxes, the impact is very clearly still being felt in the community, joining me tonight is the host of cnns new show. Have i got news for you . Roy Wood Jr. Ed. Its great to have you here because i think its, you know, given everything thats going on in this campaign, its pretty remarkable that this is still something thats happening for this sustained of a period. I just wonder what you make of how things got to this point. I think that republicans know that if they can run on fear, the more fear that they can stoke, then the better off they are. My question is and i dont know anything. Im not a legal expert, anything like that, Kaitlan Collins at what point is this lawsuit where the on some Slander And Libel from the city of springfield specifically j. D. Vance was it the other night where he said, im still going to call them illegal aliens. Even though weve already had a conversation and made it perfectly clear that leads people, most of them are there legally. And were asked thereby a republican mayor in an Initiative Way back during the ancient earthquake. So how long can republican stoke the fire before you started having to hit their pockets on this . Yeah. What we also heard from vance saying that its up to the media to fact check their claims. Obviously, the media certainly has and not found any basis for this. And the Wall Street Journal published a fantastic report yesterday. They just dug deep into one of the allegations or an owner of a cat with that goes by the name this sassy had made this nine on one call, essentially alleging she believed that are that are cat had been taken to the reporter who followed up on this found days later that the cat was actually found safe in her own basement and cheek. She apologized to her her haitian neighbors over this. I mean, thats the level that this has gotten to yeah. I think that were in a place now where if the mayor has to take charge because theres so many Bomb Threats and people are locked at work that kids arent able to learn and do anything in school because it is not its either i think its at a point where there has to be some degree of legal recourse here, because this is not this is not cool, its not, its definitely not normal. And its not how politics are supposed to run in the country. Trump has been talking about potentially going there. The mayor had Warrant Either Trump or harris, just either of them coming there would add just a further strain to the city that is dealing with with 20,000 new people who live there. And also now dealing with Bomb Threats at schools, at city hall, at planned parenthoods at war markets. Listen to what Donald Trump had to say about maybe going to springfield last night ive got to go there in the next two weeks. Im going to springfield and im going to Aurora May never see me again, but thats ok got to do what i got whatever happens to trump while he never got out but it is springfield people living in springfield feel about all this i think shell sadly, some people in springfield that would be happy to see her man you know, i think theres some people in springfield. The question becomes, is trump there to stoke the fire . Or is he there to actually try and add some degree of mediation if im not mistaken, it was trump a couple of days ago who was saying, oh, well, maybe we shouldnt be pushing all of the rhetoric like he was quasi kind of sorted disagreeing with j. D. Vance. And now hes going to go there and stare everything up. I dont i dont think he should go there. Of all the states where republicans are struggling right now, i dont think thats the State Trump Need to be visiting this week and then maybe swing down to North Carolina and check on the boy, but leave the people of springfield alone. What do you make of whats happening in North Carolina with Mark Robinson and he had a litany of offensive comments that he made before kfile publish this Report Today with comments that are so disturbing, you literally, you cant say them on Cable News and i just wonder, you know, when you see this candidate for governor, incredibly powerful position in North Carolina, who previously called himself a black nazi, supported express support for slavery. What do you say to that . Yeah, i just support for slavery. Said he would buy a couple of slaves like they sneakers i think that its the ultimate hypocrisy, but if im not, at least as of 4 00 this afternoon, i know he released a Statement Saying that he was not going to drop out of the race. And when you look at whats happened with j. D. Vance and everything . Thing in springField Republicans are just going to get the truth doesnt matter. No one cares. People like me on polling decently. So im just going to keep doing this, but so much of what i think i think with North Carolina because theres so much of a religious base there and you look at the evangelical community be in a large part of the report but we can base in that state i dont know how you get by going to a Porn Site pass the voters. I dont know whats interesting thing. I found out about this whole case. What Mark Robinson is that, that, side is still active and people is still posting there. And i was like, goodness gracious, this site is like well, listening to vinyl like its just the links. Theres no thumbnails, you dont know, but youre getting into im not getting into details, but its its just its wrong. Its hilarious its terrible. And hes still probably going to come close to winning the gubernatorial seat. In North Carolina Roy Wood jr. I did not think i would hear a comparison to vital tonight. Thank you. For jordan. 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And what were hearing tonight from a source is that the allegations from these witnesses that federal agents ive been meeting with, they actually go so beyond the scope of the indictment that was unsealed tuesday morning, what does that mean for that indictment . And just for his case overall going forward . Well, kaitlan prosecutors love to say we always say our investigation is ongoing and the truth of the matter is sometimes thats just boilerplate. You just automatically say that when you indict youre effectively done with your investigation, not here. We now know that this investigation truly is ongoing, and ive done cases like this with major numbers of victims theres no Sex Trafficking cases, these first two to three days after the indictment are crucial for people to come forward. Other victims, other witnesses. They see theres been an indictment and we remember the us attorney when he announces case a few days ago, said, if you believe you are a victim or witness, come forward contact us. So this tells me that the prosecutors are not done and theyre still looking for and thinking theyre going to find i knew victims have you when you were a prosecutor, did you find that after someone had been indicted, if they were held on bail and they were held and not did not have veil worn out on bail that it did make people more comfortable coming forward this is one of the hidden reasons why bail is so important. I cant tell you how many times i sat with a victim sometimes Sex Trafficking cases, sometimes other cases, almost always. The first question out of their mouth is he locked up . And if you can say to that person, yes. Hes locked up. Hes at the ndc that makes them feel so much more comfortable so much more at ease about coming forward so enormous psychological effect here yeah, we talked to Diddys Attorney. Hes being represented by the defense attorney, Marc Agnifilo about what was in the indictment where they said that they had about 50 witnesses and victims. This was the day that that statement came down after he was denied bail. Listen to what Diddys Attorney had to say to me about this i think its 49 witnesses and one victim. I think i think if you broke it down and i say that because count two, which is the Sex Trafficking count, has victim number one, and there is no victim number two anywhere in the indictment were skeptical of that claim when he made that night. Do you think what were seeing now this new reporting of other people coming forward, that those numbers could be changing even more well, i remain skeptical that claim i think mark was doing his job as a Defense Lawyer there. I think he was engaging in some optimistic speculation. First of all, if youre a prosecutor and you tell the judge, as these prosecutors did, we have 50 victims and witnesses. And what that comes out to his one victim in 49 witnesses, you are going to undermine your own credibility. Real prosecutor peters, do not do that. The sdny does not do that. Also, the minority refers to multiple victims in the plural and all that can happen now with this new reporting is that that number continues to increase can these new witnesses testify . At trial if they were not part of the investigation as it stood at the indictment, as it stood whenever they arrested him on Monday Night, how does that work . Oh, for sure. Witnesses can testify, even if they come forward during trial. Ive had that happen. We sometimes say the investigation doesnt end until the jury comes back. And so if these are good prosecutors theyre working with a team of professional agents, law enforcement agency. Theyre going to continue to look for witnesses. They may want to put them in the Grand Jury. Now, moving forward to make sure that the testimony is locked in, but yeah, you absolutely continue to build your case until its all over combs is being held at the mdc. Its in brooklyn. Hes been fighting this Bail Decision they wanted to get him out the first night. They thought that because they were just appearing before the first judge that maybe theyd have a better better chance. When hes behind what hes being held. Can he is he making Phone Calls . What does that look like . Because they were worried about potential Witness Tampering yes. So inmates at the ndc and most federal prisons can make Phone Calls. They even have email nowadays actually, kaitlan, but both of those things or monitor, theres big signs up saying your Phone Calls will be recorded or did your emails will be recorded as well. So if he tries to do anything, prosecutors will know about it and hes taking a big risk elie honig. Thank you for that update. Thank you so much for