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Around the world. This is a Special Edition of the Situation Room Wolf blitzer im Kasie Hunt in the new Yorks Spin Room for Tonights Vice President ial debate. And wolf, most of the missiles were intercepted, but there were of course, a few hits in central and Southern Israel this is new video of an iranian missile striking an israeli airbase. This is a base that iran tried to hit back in april theres only moments ago, kasie, i spoke to former israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett and he told me this is the Moment Israel needs to take out or runs nuclear facilities all this is coming as israel is continuing to target hezbollah targets in lebanon just moments ago, he Israeli Military issuing new Evacuation Orders for Southern Beirut this is a very densely populated area where hezbollah holds a lot of Sway Jeremy Diamond is standing by his germany yes. From gadara in israel, jeremy, what have you learned so far about the damage on the ground caused by these iranian Ballistic Missile strikes wolf, it was a terrifying night in israel as we saw some 180 Ballistic Missiles fired by iran towards central and Southern Israel. Im on the grounds of an Elementary School here in central israel. And you can see behind me the damage that was wrought as a missile drunk. This area, right besides the school, those are second and Third Grade Classrooms that you can see there where the walls have been broken down, the windows, shattered as well. The Israeli Military says they cannot yet confirm whether this was indeed and iranian missile. But we saw officials here putting together the pieces of the shrapnel to see if they can identify the specific type of missile that was used here. But it did indeed come as iran fired hundred and 80 Ballistic Missiles at israel, we saw video of the impacts happening not only on areas, civilian areas like this, but also some of the Air Bases in israel, the nevatim airbase, for example, cnn has geolocated several videos now showing multiple explosions, multiple impacts by those Ballistic Missiles at that airbase. Weve also seen impacts closer to Tel Aviv near an Intelligence Base that the Israeli Military has just north of that city. And so now wolf, this is certainly a very tense moment in the region the Israeli Military vows that there will be consequences for this attack when israel carries out that retaliation is not clear yet, but certainly wolf, this is the latest Escalatory Step in a region that is already very close to boiling over, certainly is as we mentioned, jeremy, the Israeli Military has issued due Evacuation Orders theres in lebanon tonight. What can you tell us about that right. Wolf. Nearly every night over the last week or so we have seen the Israeli Military issuing new Evacuation Orders for parts of Southern Beirut and this is, these are areas where these really military says there are going to strike hezbollah targets. These really military very much trying to take advantage of this moments where they feel like hezbollah is in disarray. Their operational capabilities have been significantly dismantled over the course of the last couple of weeks. And so they are striking targets. Theyre of course the impact on On Civilians In Beirut and in lebanon has been vast as weve seen, about 1 Million lebanese civilians have been displaced. The Israeli Military also appears to be expanding its Ground Operation in Southern Lebanon yesterday, Last Night, we were very close to the border as we saw israeli troops crossing into Southern Lebanon tonight, the Israeli Military issuing a new war declaring a Zone Close to the lebanese border, a closed Military Zone that was the exact step they took yesterday before going in to lebanon. Well, our Jeremy Diamond and gadara, israel for us, jeremy, thank you very much. Stay safe over there. I want to check in right now with Oren Liebermann hes over at the pentagon for us oren. What do we know . First of all about when the united states learned this attack was coming. And was there any Advance Warning from the iranian side . Well, for us was issuing warnings fairly early this morning around 9 00 local time here. So early Afternoon And Israel that an attack from iran could be imminent. Now the u. S. Has been watching for this attack for weeks ever since the killing of Hamas Leader Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran Iran was poised and postured to respond to essentially had the forces in place that they needed to to carry out that response. And irans leaders very much promised to retaliate against israel for that killing into iran. And yet they waited, yet after the killing of hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah and several others in beirut, iran decided to act. The u. S. Warning coming earlier this morning and the u. S. Also making clear that they would do what they could do, assist israel and its defense. We saw that play out as well with Us Navy destroyers in the eastern mediterranean Sea Firing about a dozen interceptors to shoot down iranian Ballistic Missiles. The u. S. And israel working very much in coordination here. The israeli Air Force also working with us Air Force Central Command in the Middle East. There this was a coordinated response as israel and the u. S were hoping to create here. Now some iranian officials have claimed there was a headsup given to the u. S. The u. S. Has flatly rejected that, saying, no advanced warning was given and its worth pointing out why thats so significant. Because in the April 13 barrage that we saw, there was quite a bit of headsup given by iran as a sort of message that they werent trying to carry out a massive response. It was more just a message that they were standing up for themselves. This the u. S. Says the number of Ballistic Missiles fired at the targets. This shows iran was very much trying to do damage all right, Oren Liebermann at the pentagon. Thank you very much. Lets discuss whats going on joining me now, the former israeli ambassador to the united states, michael oren, ambassador. Thanks very much for joining us. I want to play for you a little bit of my conversation i had in the last hour with the former israeli Prime Minister, a man, you know, Naftali Bennett. Listen to this this is a once in a 50 Year Opportunity. What israel needs to do immediately we need to take out irans nuclear program. We need to attack the Rons Energy facilities and we need to attack the regime itself, right away because iran made a fatal mistake of shooting 200 Ballistic Missiles at the state of israel thats what oren you agree with that assessment is, right . His right. Israel has no choice but to respond. This goes the attack by Iran Tonight goes to the very heart of why israel exists. Israel exists to defend the land and the people of israel created three years after the holocaust. So that, that wouldnt happen again, the Holiday Warden Captain again Israel Cannot afford it. Would really, deeply impact our identity as that Jewish State not to react and to react in the way that Naftali Bennett, he said, striking at the nuclear facilities and those knew who is sending is its phil as these threaten our national existence, their existential threat. Rest of the state of israel, if they just write your bomb, well there are decision away from doing that right now. They violated all their international agreements. They now have enough enriched uranium for four or five bombs. And they have a Delivery System thats ready to go. Its the same system they used to send satellites into and this is a region gim in tehran that has declared its raison detre, its dna is to destroy us. So we have every Right And Obligation to defend ourselves against iran and against the iranian nuclear clear project. In addition to other targets as a tally, bennett mentioned, irans, energy cycles. Its Oil Facilities on the surface first in golf and iranian leaders and weve shown that we have been able to reach Enemy Leaders wherever they are hiding, even if theyre hiding very much underground, just to be precise, ambassador, what youre saying is russia retaliate by a knocking out completely destroying with airpower, i assume around nuclear facilities which are used potentially to develop a bomb all of the energy facilities, the main source of the iranian economy right now, all the Oil Facilities, for example, and go ahead and assassinate iranian leaders all of that is on the table. All that has to be on the table. Ban is responsible for 99. 9 of all the violence been sweeping over the Middle East and not just now it is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, including in syria. To this date, iran has not paid a single price for any of us know what his exact at any price from israel and from iran. And this will never stop until someone proves to the iranians that this type of attack that occurred tonight and texts throughout the Middle East will cost them a prohibited the iranian president said, late today that this latest attack by iran against israel, in his words, is only a portion of iranian power. How seriously do you take that . And what happens if israel does retaliate by launching those strikes that you support . We have to prepare ourselves for any possibility. Its not just iran the proiranian militias in syria and iraq. Its hezbollah Know Paula has been dealt a very serious blow by israel, but his mother had between 150, 150, 170,000 rockets and some of those rocks are still raining on Northern Israel as were speaking right now, if the houthi rebels in the south, israel is fighting an existential war while for her life is a diplomatic solution. Now off the table, i asked you as a former diplomat, but its about Him Solution is always on the table, but im strongly of the belief that the chances of successful diplomacy will be dependent on iran understanding that, Firing Rockets at israel is not an option. Hezbollah Firing Rockets on Northern Israel is not an option. There cannot be deescalation. Im strongly at this belief. There cannot be dls. Lets collation unless there is first escalation, unless the iranians have internalized that Firing Rockets at israel, Firing Rockets many, many times in american bases in iraq, syria, and jordan wounding and killing american service people that will not go unanswered, will not go unpunished and punished in a very painful way. Thats where michael oren, former israeli ambassador to the united states. Thanks very much thank for joining us. This situation clearly developing our breaking News Coverage of irans attack, israel will continue in just a moment. 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Thank you both very much for being here christiane how much does israels recent successes in killing the leadership of irans proxy group, Hezbollah Play into their decision to launch this Attack Today well, according to the iranians exclusively, they issued a statement, as in fact, the missiles were still flying, saying that they had taken this action in retaliation for the attack that killed Hassan Nasrallah, the head of hezbollah, their proxies in lebanon but also by the way, it delayed you know, retaliation for the killing, the assassination on iranian territory in the summer of Ismail Haniyeh, who is the political leader of hamas. And along with those attacks and assassinations came the deaths of Iranian Revolutionary Guard members as well. So they say that theyre taking revenge for their own people as well. But interestingly, just before the attacks last week in New York, i spoke to the iranian Vice President who said that we have exercised a huge amount of restraint that we believe we are being dragged into a war that we are being entrapped in and we do not want to war. But if they continue, theres going to be, were going to have to do something and thats the dilemma here that clearly has explained, has manifest itself. Tonight. So colonel leighton, Israel Hasnt said what their response is going to be only that they will respond quote, at the place and time that we decide. I mean, what do you think the likely options are in terms of a response if youve been listening to this program, Naftali Bennett, former Prime Minister, had some pretty tough words for out for wolf in what he says they should do and in taking the opportunity to strike iranian nuclear sites and the former israeli ambassador to the u. S. Agreed with him yeah, that was very concerning to hear that kasie, i think that the israeli certainly have that as an option, but i think it would be unwise for them to go that far more realistic. The state can sensible option in this particular case would be to do something more on the economic side or i scale down level on the military side. And this would be for example, attacking an airfield are several airfields in iran are doing something like that. The best option of course is to do none of the the above. But that is i think where the israelis are doing. Theyre going to try to do something that sends a message to iran. If Cooler Heads prevail, theyre going to go into a mode where they go after perhaps some discrete set of targets to send a message that this is their mind unacceptable behavior then go from there. But the israelis do have the capability to conduct long distance aerial operations against iran. I not necessarily completely on the nuclear side going after a nuclear facility, but they certainly have the capability to attack an airfield or a government in installation if they chose to christiane according to the video that we geolocated here at cnn, at least one iranian missile appears to have hit less than a kilometer from mossad headquarters. What does that say to you . That iran appears to be targeting israeli intelligence . Facilities, despite how close they are to Tel Aviv well, it says that actually israeli intelligence and american intelligence was correct. They had identified potentially three israeli Air Bases around Tel Aviv and an intelligence headquarters. Clearly, youre saying the mossad headquarters, iran on itself confirmed in its statement that it had targeted what it called three Military Bases that it said was responsible for its words, the genocide against gaza. And indeed against them. And in lebanon, thats how they turned it, that this is now ended according to them on if the israelis decide to respond and they will respond, even, even, even more top. So i think that youre in the situation right now, that certainly it really begs the question as to what the united states is going to do and whether the united states is going to get persuaded or dragged in by israel to do what israels says it wants to do, whether its Naftali Bennett or whether its benjamin netanyahu. They want Regime Change and they want to attack the nuclear installations and theyd say that this is a once in a 50 Year Opportunity to do that and to change the environment, you know, prime Minister Netanyahu last week went on, recently went on television and told the iranian people that were with you and gave a full a full treaties on Regime Change. And just one other thing, i spoke to the lebanese Prime Minister, Foreign Minister, who as you know, the latest with caused by the incursion into lebanon he said that on friday when the u. S was trying to cobble this down and had said publicly that they had achieved a agreement on a 21 day ceasefire. The lebanese Foreign Minister told me that he had persuaded hezbollah to agree, which apparently they did agree. And then only 24 hours later, her son as lawlor, was killed now allies of israel, who support israels right to selfdefense like Dennis Ross who said the big issue here is you can bomb your way to wherever you want to go. But what is the political strategy . What is the End Game . And that israel has revealed yet your sense of what the Biden Ministration will do in the way that christiane is talking about the potential options on the table for the american leadership, especially as netanyahu was seeming to allude to this Regime Change. He used the phrase sooner rather than later. What, what do you make of all of it yeah, its its very interesting you know, i think as christiane mentioned, the Dennis Ross idea, which is basically what are you the big question, what do you do . Doing politically after this . What is your End Goal . And the israelis will have to answer that questions. The biden administration needs to ask the israelis exactly that question and they need to say in this this particular case, yes, we understand you want to do these things. You are upset that this has happened and it was a very dangerous escalation. But it is one of those areas thats where they need to really get concrete answers from the israelis before the israelis go ahead and do something like this. And of Course Weve seen that thats very difficult thing to get indeed. All right, colonel leighton, christiane amanpour. Thank you both very much. I really appreciate it all right. 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Com carolina and this is cnn welcome back to a Special Edition of the Situation Room. Wolf blitzer in New York. Youre looking at live pictures right now. The Vice President ial Debate Site here in New York, where supporters of both campaigns are now gathering j. D. Vance and Tim Walz will meet for the first and probably only debate before election day. Jeff zeleny is joining us now from inside the debates Spin Room here in New York. Jeff, the iranian Missile Attack on israel is sure to be a major topic tonight. What can you tell us on that front . Well, if there is no question that Foreign Policy is hanging over this debate much more so than it wouldve been even a few hours ago. I am told that both Governor Walz and Senator Vance are likely to join us officials condemning this attack, but theyre agreement is likely to end there. But look, this is not an entire Foreign Policy debate. Its certainly will likely lead the question, but there are so many other issues on the economy, on immigration. And just on the top of the ticket as well. I mean, even though this is a Vice President ial debate between Tim Walz and between mean j. D. Vance. It is also about the top of the ticket. Donald trump and Kamala Harris. So look for both of these Running Mates to try and defendant promote the candidacies for the people they are running with. But also it is the biggest moment and the biggest opportunity for both Vance And Walz to make their case as well for Vances Side here . He is trying to improve his likability. Of course, hes been criticized for some of his comments that some critics have viewed as a sexist for walz. He potentially has some exaggerations of his own record to clean up. So those are the stakes are tonight, but what we are five weeks before election day, this is likely the biggest televised moment, at least of this campaign and since there is not a scheduled debate between Harris And Trump after this thats why this debate matters tonight. Will our jeff zeleny. Thank you very, very much. Well check back with you later. Lets bring back our panel and shermichael. Let me start with you, vance versus walz, who do you think has the Advantage Tonight . I think j. D. Vance is going to have that vanished and it has far more experienced answering very tough, difficult questions on a plethora of issues. I will acknowledge the kates earlier point that Governor Walz has experienced being a congressman, being a governor. But this is a very disparate Stage Tonight Wolf and some of the international crises that the country is currently facing, including some of the domestic crisis as well. Im not exactly faculty certain that Governor Walz will be best positioned when compared to Senator Vance to put forth a proper answer to potentially resolve some of those problems. Although vances only been in office for a couple of years, so im not sure theres other point i would i would push back though, kate, i would say based upon the interviews ive watched over the past two years, he does seem to have the greater command of the issues from what ive seen from Governor Walz, which is one interview, what our Dana Bash i wouldnt agree with that, but but maybe will agree to disagree on that. As you know, sources close to vance have told cnn, we all feel very good, direct Quote Vance is pretty unflappable. Sources also said, Should Walz be concerned well, i think this is definitely a format that i think does benefit of vance. I think Hes Somebody whos shown that he likes to score points. He likes the backandforth. Hes a gill educated lawyer. I think this Backandforth Format is probably probably it probably does benefit j. D. Vance, but you know, i think remember Tim Walz has also been in elected office for 20 years. Hes successfully run for congress successfully run for governor. I dont think anybody should feel like Tim Walz is worried or nervous tonight. I think were going to have a pretty aggressive exchange between these two guys are pretty clear contrast on vision and for the future of this country is clear. Theyre both pretty smart guys do. Yes, at the same time, which is important, brad, let me get your thoughts because earlier Today Trump Campaign senior adviser jason miller, man, you probably know, told kasie this about the Debate Tonight. I want you to listen Tim Walz will be an absolute killer. Hes not going to be this goofy caricature of himself as we normally see when hes on stage and doing the weird Pointing Thing to Kamala Harris, Tim Walz is good. I would say the advantage definitely goes to him on the other hand, heres how trump described all of this Last Night that debate. Listen to this youll see it tomorrow with jd. Itll be stacked hes going up against a moron, a total moron hes either going up against the total maura are going up. A guy who is very good. Well, you know, his role has been very limited in this campaign so far last we saw him in that interview with Dana Bash. He was just basically the Emotional Support Animal thats thats really all hes done is i think the pressure is on on Tim Walz false, but we dont really have Vice President ial debates. Thats not what this is. Its a debate between the president ial candidates themselves, and its their surrogates and the job of the nominee for Vice President is to lay the lumber to the nominee of the other party, j. D. Vance has been doing that around the country. The Harris Campaign has kept Him Walz under wraps, so i dont know if he can or not simmons, is with us as well. I know jamaal, you actually interviewed walz late late late last year. I want to play something he said to you, listen to this im an eternal optimist. I, before i got this job in congress, i was a high school teacher. I supervise the Lunch Room for 20 years honest to god. I am the most optimistic person in the world, but im a realist. You dont go in there just hoping the day is going to go well, because it does not i think thats how you about that that day that interview, he was very forceful, he knew all the points about his state. He was very clear about who he was fighting for. I think thats one of the things in these debates that people want to know. Who are you fighting for . The democrats talk a lot about homeowners in helping them get 25,000 to get there, get their first home, or first time . Homebuyers, they talk about seniors and making sure they had affordable Prescription Drugs the republicans talk about Donald Trump, right . So democrats are here fighting for the american people. The republicans are trying to keep Donald Trump out of jail because he has been indicted so many times and convicted. There republicans are trying to keep Donald Trump from having to be embarrassed because its gonna lose another election. And who knows what hell do when its time to have that election certify because the last time he enabled people to fight against the capitol on January 6 so the republicans talk about trump. The democrats are talking about the americans, its about the future, and thats what the democrats really want to make sure like. Oh, well, if you know, lets say i take that premise that democrats are talking about whats in the best Edge Joseph the american people, then i think Senator Vance has a great opportunity Tonight Wolf to say the world is on fire and so we are talking about the future of secure americas interests and the interests for your children and your grandchildren. Do you want what you have seen over 3. 5 years if you want to move into another direction that you believe is more secure, do you want a more secure country . Terms of our borders, do you want a more stable and economic, a secure future in terms of cost of living, i think republicans do have a Case And Argument to make there in a polls suggests that the american people trust Trump And Vance more on those issues. Did harris and walz here, but how can you charge vance . Who stood up in the country before and said they thought Donald Trump will be americans, hitler the Lincoln Project right now has an ad they just put up with all advanced statements about Donald Trump and why he be horrible for the country. And now were supposed to believe him when he goes out front and says that hes going to be the best thing for the country. Like, how did we buy that i take that point that the senator has changed mind, jamal, but im not certain how many people are going to vote based upon that just to position to distract, it needs to talk about the iran deal tonight. Thats right, guys, everybody standby. Discuss. Well take a quick break. Well be right back. The chester Mega Sale is now on visit beaches. Com or called 100 beaches hes coming in the driveway treated for leukemia i hope she lives so long gray had two eyes and she wont never forget how Mom And Daddy loved her st. Jude. I mean, this is whats keeping my Baby Girl join the battle to save lives by supporting st. Jude Childrens Research Hospital for just 19 always a month in your help us continue the lifesaving Research And Treatment these kids in need. Now. And in the Future Cancer makes me angry well, youre not in like feel on the outside the strange sight. Im angry when your kid is hurting and theres nothing you can do about it . 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Com and secured your piece of the Mind Today have i got news for you saturday at nine on cnn back to a Special Edition of the Situation Room. Im Kasie Hunt in the Spin Room of the cbs Vice President ial debate, where in the final hours, advisers are because he trying to lower expectations for Tim Walz, warning they expect a j. D. Vance who is prepared polished, and eager to throw punches at walz. David chalian, and Audie Cornish are back with me so as this is of course unfolding behind us, weve seen surrogates like Elise Stefanik came through here. But david, the chatter is all about the 60 Minutes Interview that would have been conducted, right . In this complex, i think across the street or at least that 60 Billion exactly were in the cbs longtime Cbs News headquarters. But now Donald Trump says hes not going to participate and that may leave tonight is the only really big moment left on the calendar. Why do you think he pulled out of this interview hes Campaign Put out a statement steven cheung, his spokesperson, did referring to that Cbs News, according to the Trump Campaign wanted to intersperse the interview with some factchecking and come out of the interview and do some fact checking. What have you there seems to be a dispute in the cbs new statement. I know this will surprise you the Trump Campaign and saying about what never heard anything like it in my butt. Yes. News says that Donald Trump actually agreed to this interview and has pulled out of it. The Trump Campaign version of events is there were discussions but nothing was ever locked in stone, so we havent heard from the former president yet. Id be eager to hear his thinking because we know Donald Trump he really liked 60 minutes in likes the cache that brings, he has done it many, many times. He talked about being stable mates with Vladimir Putin when they appeared together eight years ago on the same night, they didnt have to gaddis marker like being on the cover of time magazine. So this feeds into Donald Trumps whole sense of the media ecosystem. He likes to be able to control that. And this is interesting to me that given that this is the last scheduled event, this Vice President ial debate, that hes giving up this opportunity for a blast scheduled event that there is still time for there to be any number of other kinds of events they choose to do it. And this has been an election where both campaigns have really challenged the role of the main Stream Media in terms of ease this necessary for me to get my message to the voters and trump has done a ton of interviews with podcasters and all other kinds of venues. And its not totally clear that they harris as well as trump see these stages the same way. Well, certainly thats a really interesting point. I mean, you had the Influence Or Section at the Democratic National Committee that was really front and Center And Somebody said better access than traditional reporters might have, or at least get to throw a Couple Elbows if you wanted to get as close but david, i am curious because when you think about i mean in some ways going to those audiences are a play to your base, right . And trying to turn out people in those spaces who wouldnt otherwise turn out, there are still a lot of undecided voters who likely watch 60 minutes right . So why give up the opportunity to talk to them . Yeah. First of all, part of it may just be to audies point that the campaign doesnt see their pocket of voters, that they need right . In that audience, right . We know that the Trump Campaign theory of the case is sort of dig deeper into what you have in this very loyal base of support and get new versions of them to come out and support you. I do think that so this raises a question. One of the things im watching tonight in this president ial debate does j. D. Vance come and really try to make an appeal to the middle, to the undecided or is he coming to find new Base Voters . Does walz take a different approach . Does he actually come and try to appeal to the middle i think we are going to see tonight which audiences these guys are talking to. Audie, which voter do you think each is looking for tonight . I mean, thats a very good question. Both have incentive to turn out specifically, the people who are most engaged and when they are going to try and find the people who are still persuadable. I think youll see some more micro targeting, which is not something you get from a big mass media interview. Yeah. Well, again, its all about in many ways, i think. I mean, david, you know, better than i but the low Lowpropensity Voter could really turn out to be the story of this election. All right, david audie. Thank you both very much for being here. All right. 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The app, you can move out what is now called the r next year for only 20 a month x chair. Com. Im Pete Muntean at Reagan National Airport this is cnn welcome back to our Special Edition of the Situation Room. Im Wolf Blitzer in New York. Were counting down to The One and only Vice President ial Debate Tonight here in New York between democratic gov, minnesota governor Tim Walz and republican ohio senator j. D. Vance. With me now, congressman jim clyburn of south carolina. Hes a national cochair of the harriswalz campaign. Congressman. Thanks so much for joining us. I want to ask you about the debate just a moment, but first, let me get your reaction to irans major ballistic Missile Attack. Israel today, israel promising now a significant risk response. I know youve been briefed. What are you yes, i have been and im particularly concerned about any of widening of this conflict. I know that the president as the most diversity in the country or. To vote it to defense of israel. But none of us want to see a widening of this conflict. So i would hope that this administration will work closely with our allies to do what we can to keep this from getting into a regional war. Well, let me just press you on that. Congressmen, if the united states were attacked by a foreign entity with a 200 Ballistic Missiles, with the united states just ignore that and try to do something else or would the u. S. Respond militarily . No, we would not ignore that. And we are not ignoring this i think the president came out with a statement that was pretty firm. The Vice President Re Reaffirm our support of that statement. But no matter what we do, we should always a work in concert with our allies in the region, because in the final analysis whatever you do and be sustained, unless you have our allies with us connor. So lets turn to the big debate. The the Vice President ial debate later tonight, its coming up very soon. What specifically are you gonna be watching for it tonight i. Am going to be watching for two different visions country. I think that the concern were going to see, the authenticity in Governor Walz, that all of us to work with them, as i did for several years in the congress ive campaigned with him ive consulted with him during his governorship. He is one of the best people ive ever dealt with in my life i think that people are going to see that in this Performance Tonight and i think were law at least those of us on our side of the doubt will be please congressman, there have been some newly unearthed reports and theyve emerging tonight contradicting some previous claims made by Governor Walz about his travels to chinas specifically that walz was at Hong Kong back in 1989 during the Tiananmen Square prodemocracy protests, House Republicans now starting investigation, into all of this do you think this is a potential problem for the campaign well, i have not seen those reports, but the whole other taken to what republicans do in investigating able to investigate in and everything. And thats what theyre doing. In fact, its the same because the reporting that you all do on these kinds of issues, she should suffice arrest to be using the levers of government to investigate. Every Accusation Or Everything that may be revealed its just not the Way Government ought to work we ought to be about moving an agenda for the people forward and not be using the government to investigate every Rumor Or Everything that may pop up in the media congressman clyburn, thanks so much for joining us. Really appreciate it. Thank you very much for having me on our special coverage of Tonights Vice President ial debate will continue in just a moment. Well take you to one of the most soughtafter counties that potentially could determine if a Swing State goes for Trump Or Harris stay with us. Youre in the Situation Room and j. D. Vance in their first and only face to debate. And cnn has covered with the best political team in the Business A Cnn Special Event the Vice President ial Debate Tonight at nine on Cnn Wave big sale is back for three days only October 5 or seven, get excited to get up to 80 Yes Everything lay day starts October 5th. So mark your calendar. 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Go to ensure phi and save Today Erin Burnett outfront next on cnn back to our Special Edition of the Situation Room. We are just hours away right down a few hours from the first and only Vice President ial debate. Its also the last scheduled debate before the president ial election our Phil Mattingly is in the key Battleground State of michigan, where undecided voters will be watching what happens tonight. Very, very closely. Phil, youll be with some of those voters during the course of tonights debate. How will you be gauging their reaction to the Candidates Tonight . You know, wolf over the course of the next hour, the chairs behind me will fill in with people who have told us that they are from this area. They are currently undecided and theyre trying to figure out based on what they see tonight, which way they may go come. November. Now, some of them have voted for republicans in the past, some have voted for democrats, but were gonna be watching what were going to be able to watch throughout the course of this debate is how theyre feeling about specific moments each of the undecided voters will have a dial if they turn it to the right, it will show that they feel positive about whatever theyre watching and listening to on the screen to the left, they feel negative. Were going to track that throughout the course of the evening, really identify the key moments of the debate in those voters theres eyes, what they thought was a good thing of what they thought they learn something from, or maybe what they had a negative reaction to. Thats what we watching throughout the night and that after the debate, wolf, well have a conversation with them to get a sense of not just their broad big Picture Takeaways from what they saw during the 90 minutes. But those specific moments, what stood out to them, what caused their reaction and what that may mean for the decision come november and i know phil, youre in grand rapids, michigan tonight. Thats in kent county. Why is that county so important to both campaigns well, if im about a halfmile away from Gerald R. Fords president ial museum. This was a republican bastion of strength in this state for decades. No democrat had won this state since 1964 until President Barack Obama did in 2008, Donald Trump won the state, Mitt Romney won the state, george w bush, at 59 percent of the vote here. Joe biden won this county in 2020, a pretty big swing from Donald Trump in 2016 in the makeup, the demographic she him. But as you push out, you get into the suburban battlegrounds that have been so key over the last several cycles, democrats have had a good run here governor gretchen whitmer, both in 2018 and in her reelection in 2022, won this county in 2020 to one rather handily, but how democrats fair going into 2024 in this critical Battleground State this cornerstone of that Blue Wall the state of michigan is absolutely essential for their path to victory in this state. Keep in Mind Wolf want to know what states matter, what areas matter to candidates. Well, look where theyre traveling. J. D. Vance will be back in michigan tomorrow. Donald trump will be back later this week. Therell be his 12th Campaign Event over the course of his campaign. Vice president Kamala Harris, shell be in michigan on friday. They know this state is absolutely critical and this County Wolf is absolutely critical for both campaigns. Michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, key states, and youre there in michigan. Well be watching very closely Phil Mattingly. Thank you very much. Fills in grand rapids, michigan and to our viewers. Thanks very much for watching our breaking News Coverage continues right now with a Special Edition of Erin Burnett Outfront york with democrats republican Vice President ial nominees, tim Walz And J. D. Vance are about to face off in their first in debate does come just hours after major iranian Missile Attack on it israel, a significant