Jordan welcome to the daily show, im jordan klepper. Ronny and im ronny chieng. Weve got so much to talk about tonight. College campuses are protesting, Donald Trumps enemies are surrendering, and the Supreme Court wonders if the president can kill you for fun. Jordan but first, donald trump is still on trial, so lets catch up with another installment of americas most tremendously wanted. [cheers and applause] the whole thing is a scam. Jordan today was a big day for donald trump versus johnny law with the former president fighting the man at every level of the legal system. Ronny but things actually started off pretty good for trump. After months of calling him unfit for office, trumps attorney general bill barr said hes voting for him anyway and trump responded with as much grace as you would expect. So the former president posting on truth central that wow, former attorney general bill barr has just endorsed me for president , despite the fact that i called him weak, slowmoving, lethargic, gutless, and lazy based on the fact that i greatly appreciate his wholehearted endorsement, i am removing the word lethargic from my statements. Thank you, bill was quote. [applause] jordan donald trump is the king of pettiness. I am positive in an alt universe he was a Sorority President just dripping with shade. It like wow, bill, i love that bikini, you are so brave to be wearing that, you go, girl ronny it does look like trump hates trump b6kissers as much as the rest of us do. Hell be like kiss the ring and then when they dont hes like i cant believe you kiss the ring, you little bitch. Jordan trump was writing that sick burn high this morning although into court where he was confronted with testimony from the head of the national enquirer, who wasnt afraid to spill some tea. Publisher david pecker returned to the witness to him morning and explained how he engineered a deal to buy the silence of karen mcdougal, a playboy model who claims she had an affair with trump. Pecker claims he had a deal with trump and his Attorney Michael Cohen to be on the lookout for damaging stories about trump. He would buy stories that were unflattering to trump and then he would kill them to make sure they didnt become public. Was today a bad day for donald trump . He look, i cant read his mind, but he looks pretty miserable. [laughter] jordan really . He looked miserable . Hes not one of those jovial criminal defendants . Coming to court with a smile on his face and a spring in his step as he stares down a future full of prison gangs, public pooping and shoddy heroin balloons migrating up his colon . Ronny he brought up that he buried negative stories about donald trump to help and win the 2016 election. It sounds crazy but youve got to remember this was way back in 2016 when negative stories were a bad thing. Now we know that every new scandal just cancels out a different scandal until you become president. But because this is donald trump, he wasnt involved in Just One Court case today. While he was in new york, his lawyers were in front of the Supreme Court arguing that trump should have complete legal immunity for anything he did well president. And i do mean complete immunity. If the president decides that his arrival is a corrupt person and he orders the military or orders someone to assassinate him, is that within his official acts for which he can get immunity . It would depend on hypothetical but we could see can see that could well be an official act. Ronny i object to this guys voice. Can someone get him a lozenge or something. Sorry, sorry, you may continue. How about if a president orders the military stage a coup . I think it would depend on thats immune . I think it would depend on the circumstances whether it was an official act. Geico it for president sells Nuclear Secrets to a foreign adversary, if that immune . I dont know in hypothetical whether or not that would be an official act. Ronny can we stop giving trump ideas, okay yeah, hes listening to this like selling Nuclear Secrets, i should write this down. Jordan it sounded like there were loose pitching netflix action thrillers in the room. In order to save his nation the president must strangle an opponent in a public deathmatch. Liam neeson is. Immune from prosecution. [applause] very good. Very good. The Trump Legal Team doesnt really believe the total immunity argument. They are just bringing it up to delay his trials. Its kind of like when your kid asks for water at bedtime and you know they are just trying to delay bedtime because kids dont need water. Ronny im pretty sure kids do need water. Jordan no, youre thinking of plants. The wild thing is that the courts conservative majority seems like its actually going to accept at least part of trumps argument. By the end of the hearing, the conservative majority seemed to express a desire to create some kind of limited immunity for official acts for president s. Feeling so this is where we are at the conservative justices think trump should have immunity. The liberal justices dont. How about we meet halfway . Incident of complete immunity, president s get a hall pass of five crimes that are totally okay if you have the chance. For example, mine would be bribery, insurrection, wire fraud, perjury, and lenny kravitz. Money laundering i mean Money Laundering i got my hall passes mixed up. Ronny it is kind of crazy. The Supreme Court might actually make the president immune from the law. I mean, isnt this americas all thing is no kings . Thats why the people through the tea in the river. What a waste they could have kept all that jordan thats my main concern as well, ronny. Of with all this, there is still a president ial race going on. So this morning, donald trump made a Campaign Stop on his way into court, and fox news was there to drink it up. Breaking this morning, former President Donald Trump making a surprise Campaign Stop in the last hour at a construction site in midtown. Hes taking his time with everyone talking to people, shaking hands, taking selfies. It look at him, this man with a hard hat taking a picture, thank you for being here. Patting his back, he grew up in new york, he grew up in construction on these sites and now he is talking to the men and women that build new york, that build all these buildings. He knows a lot about that, hes one of them. [laughter] jordan he was clearly excited to be on a construction site, shake a few hands, pat a few backs, show them some advanced catcalling techniques, you know, the whole nine. Ronny and those construction workers appeared to really love trump. Either that or they showed up with all their unpaid invoices. Can i get your autograph on this . Initial here and here please, its been years now. Jordan for more on donald trump stay in the courts and on the campaign trail we go down to the new york courthouse and michael kosta. [cheers and applause] michael michael, you were with trump this morning at his Campaign Stop, right . Yep, and once again, trump proved that he is a man of the people. Bluecollar workers, union guys, donald j. Trump is one of them. Clearly the j stands for joe as in joe sixpack, average joe, or jolene because of the adultery. Ronny right, right, hes an everyman, a regular person. And what the trumps lawyers argue with the Supreme Court today . Their argument is quite simple, ronny. Donald trump is not a regular person. Hes not some bluecollar worker, or a union guy. Donald j. Trump is an untouchable godlike entity who lives above the law. Right . Clearly the j stands for judicially immune from all prosecution forever and all time. Amen. Jordan but michael, how does he square those two . That sounds totally contradictory. Not at all. Donnie trump is a guy you can imagine having a beer with. Is also the guy who can murder the guy hes having a beer with because the law doesnt apply to him hes like j. Lo. Dont be full by the total immunity hes got, he is still donnie from the block. Also, hes got a great ass. [laughter] three to michael, how is he at all the label to these construction guys . Easy, ronny. Trump speaks the lung which of common man. Hey, im walking here, on my way to overthrow the government here and its legal what im doing under the auspices of an official act hey pepperoni jordan so trump is a regular guy. No better than any of us. The one who is totally above the law. Better than any of us. Its probably hard for caviarslurping elitists like yourselves to understand, but trump is a lot like these construction workers. Think of him as having a hard hat that protects him from any u. S. Law. And some safety goggles that shield him from seeing any jail time, and of course a trusty pair of work boots. Jordan let me guess, the work boots let him trample the constitution . No, the lift they provide highlights donald j. Trumps great. Clearly the j stands for juicy caboose. Jordan michael kosta, everyone when we come back we will talk about the latest college trend. [cheers and applause] bacon. Bacon. Bacon. Introducing applebees new whole lotta bacon burger. Just 9. 99 for a limited time. Applebees. Now thats eatin good in the neighborhood. [cheers and applause] jordan welcome back to the daily show lets talk about college, the place you go to learn and to meet the love of your life, until they get their tenure taken away or having sex with a student. Of but in recent weeks, colleges across the country have become the site of mass protests against israels war in gaza. This presents a challenge for the colleges. Allowed and even disruptive protests are a cherished tradition on campuses and college investments in israel are a legitimate issue for students. But at the same time im at theres a real element of antisemitism among some protests and jewish students have the right to feel safe at their own schools. So its a delicate balance that requires keeping a cool head and listening respectfully. And above all, the colleges should not escalate the tension. Columbia universitys president after the nypd to break up a tent encampment. 150 protesters were arrested at nyu in a demonstration. To speak of the University Says it asked the police to intervene. Jordan okay, okay, yeah. Just to be clear, i said deescalate. Deescalate chaos on the campus of usc as propalestinian protesters clash with School Security and police. L. A. Police officers in riot gear moving and there are a number of confrontations at the police force encircles the center of campus. Jordan does deescalate not mean what i think it means . Unescalate reverseescalate at least dont make it worse officers were sent in at the request of university and under the direction of governor greg abbott. Abbott posted a social media post. The protesters belong in jail. Send in the National Guard and wake these kids up. Jordan duties [bleep] ever think of a solution besides force . When this guys wifi goes down, is he like get the National Guard in here, we need to [bleep] up my modem by the way, that man is senator josh hawley. You might remember him as the man who riled up a mob on january 6th and then ran to bitch once they showed up. [cheers and applause] personally, i might think twice the next time i endorse violence, but thats just me. Ronny and also, you dont use the National Guard because students are camping on the quad. You use number when aliens invade and want to test the aliens weapon capabilities. How strong other lasers . Send him the National Guard to find out. Jordan you are not going to resolve tension by adding violence. Im spitball here. Maybe instead of armed soldiers, why not try sending an the College Improv troupe . A group of Communications Majors in bright colored shirts asking for a suggestion should clear out a crowd in no time. [laughter] ronny no, jordan, everyone knows that College Improv makes everything worse. As will right wing politicians showing up on campus deal of the students. House Speaker Mike Johnson visiting the columbia campus today. The cherished traditions of the university are being overtaken by radical and extreme ideologies. I am here today joining my colleagues and calling on b12 to resign if she cannot immediately bring order to this chaos. Go back to class and stop the nonsense. Wasting your parents money. Ronny yes, stop wasting your parents money. Be like mike johnson, get into government and waste everyones money. [cheers and applause] by the way, mike, if your problem is with antisemitism, i completely agree with you that its completely unacceptable, but maybe start with your coworker who believes in jewish space lasers . I mean. Jordan i will say its quite a flipflop for republicans to be telling new york college kids to go back to their woke ideology classes. You shouldnt be in tents, you should be studying essays on pornography by radical feminist Andrea Dworkin i cant think of anybody worse to give their opinion on how to protest the war in gaza. While. There is one guy. Its happening in Americas College campuses is horrific. Antisemitic mobs are taking over and its unconscionable. It has to be stopped. Jordan oh, thanks for taking the time to get your feedback, Benjamin Netanyahu is there nothing else going on with you . B to this guy is like the situation at u. S. College campuses is on acceptable, do you see how the buildings are not rubble . I am disgusted jordan heres the point is a lot of noise and plenty of bad actors, but fundamentally, whats driving these protests his anger over israels disproportionate use of force. So before we respond to the protests with disproportionate force, maybe we should listen to what they have to say, and then, if we still dont agree with the students, then we can send in the College Improv troupe. When we come back, kyle chayka will be joining us on the show. Dont go away. [cheers and applause] sometimes your work shirt needs to be for more than just work. Like when it needs to be a big, soft shoulder to cry on. Which is why downy does more to make clothes softer, fresher, and better. Downy. Breathe life into your laundry. Hello, ghostbusters. Its doug. We help people customize and save hundreds on Car Insurance with liberty mutual. We got a bit of a situation. [ metal groans] sure, i can hold. 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[cheers and applause] ronny welcome back to the daily show our guest tonight is a staff writer at the new yorker whose latest book is called filterworld how algorithms flattened culture. Please welcome kyle chayka [cheers and applause] jordan kyle, kyle, i like this book, i will tell you why. Ive been a grumpy asswhole for years now and this book validates so many of the things ive been telling other people. Tell me, how in my right . How do algorithms latin culture . Yeah, how is everything gotten worse . I like seeing the sticky notes, by the way. A demonstration. Ronny im going to grill you on all of this. Hes, its like a quiz for me. I think we are surrounded by these machines right now which are algorithmic recommendations and everything from your email to your facebook feed to your Text Messages to a tiktok video, its all sorted for you. I think that kind of affects culture in two ways. As consumers we become more passive, we are more accustomed to just getting stuff handed to us that already agrees with our viewpoint and our tastes and then on the other side, the creators of culture kind of have to mold their work to fit these algorithmic platforms, so they have to figure out what works on instagram, what works on tiktok and then adapt their work to that instead of just doing what they might want to do on their own. Ronny i hate social media as much as anybody. Everyone can testify to this. I [bleep] hate social media. Jordan i testify, yeah. Ronny but when we are talking about algorithms pushing tastes, i mean, just to be devils advocate a little bit, we had aesthetics become popular before computers existed, so how much of this is algorithms and how much of this is just humans kind of finding a balance to what everyone kind of likes . We are always chasing each other, right . Culture is a process of copying stuff and finding a style that works in the mainstream but i think now we are just really in these funnels that are directing us in a bigger and faster way toward each other. Jordan our taste as part of how we define who we are and how we interact with the world and for me, the stuff ive grown to fall in love with, you find it before the internet, im that old emma but i fell in love the cool High School Friend who recommends you liquid swords and you have a long commute to school so you play it and you sit with it and it becomes interesting and part of your identity and you find it and what i worry about with algorithms, are we executing serendipity . I think so in a way because everything is presorted to appeal to us. You are not seeing something that is totally outside of your frame of reference, so when your friend in high school recommends an album to you, there is this passion to that, theres a creativity so that, they really enjoy it so they want to give it to you and you are more likely to sit with it and give it some patients and try to understand what they meant by giving it to you whereas one in algorithmic feed gives you something, theres no feeling there. Theres no creativity, no enjoyment of that piece of culture, its just that enough data suggested to a sorting machine that you would like this bit of stuff. And that is kind of depressing to me as someone who enjoys art and music. Jordan your data likes this, have more stop at the bistro lead, look at the bistro lead. Ronny you guys are both brooklyn hipsters. You want some human to come and whats good. But what about the situations where we go on instagram or social media whatever and then they recommend something to buy and you go i actually like this. I actually do i hate to admit it but that got me. The algorithm got me, i bought this thing, you know, this chewing gum that comes from a tree in greece or whatever it was. And i actually enjoyed it, how much of this is, you know, beneficial . Jordan not everybody has a cool High School Friend, most people have a shitty one that should be replaced. I think sometimes the algorithms judge us too well, they know exactly what we are going to look at, they know what Niche Products we are going to want to buy like the resin gum. Ronny are you getting that too . Absolutely i am. Well have those things that are like the algorithm says i must like this, therefore i like it. And so i think it just guides us towards those things and we feel an anxiety from being perceived to well and away. Its like oh, no, the machine knows me and i think that inspires bad feelings as well. In the book, i write about algorithmic anxiety, which is the academic term for basically the lack of power and agency you have in relation to the algorithm. You dont know how it works, you dont know why you are getting recommended resin gum from greece. You just know that you have been evaluated and this is directed at you. Ronny but now i know that we actually might be friends because the greek gum thing. If you know t the one im talkig about. Jordan so they say if politics is downstream from culture and we all are moving into this flatten culture, what does this mean from 30,000 feet view what it does to our politics . Ronny when it comes to politics, maybe it would be better if we could move in the direction that schweiz the algorithm during the worst possible things . I mean its totally true. Its like opposing forces in a way. I think culture is like a thing many people experience collectively. Its a thing that we can all enjoy together and away. Ronny sometimes. In a taylor swift context, everyone can like taylor swift. Ronny and we do we do [cheers and applause] jordan we all love her. So we could find the taylor swift for politics, that would be amazing. Jordan i think its taylor swift. [cheers and applause] okay, we figured out, the algorithmic solution to politics is taylor swift. Maybe its just that there can be no one solution to such opposing viewpoints. Ronny than computers cant figure it out. The algorithm a is president unfortunately. Jordan how old is that algorithm . A lot of them are not that old, some of them are only a decade. Jordan it sounds like a decent option a lot of people can get behind. Filterworld is available now, kyle chayka we are going to take a quick break but we will be right back. That salt couldve ended up in a halfempty box in a halfempty pantry. But now, its lucky enough to find itself circling a crisp, refreshing, dressed dos equis. 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Bennigans . Oh, boy, you mean it . Whoopee at bennigans im gonna get the ranch hand baby back ribs. Calm down there, cowboy. Youve still got four days. Four days . Oh, i dont know how im gonna wait that long. Whos the boy that can laugh at a storm cloud . Turn a frown into a smile for free . Whos the kid with the heart full of magic . Everyone knows its butters well, thats me whos the boy with eyes full of wonder . Who thinks being yourself is the best thing to be . Whos that rascal with the tweezers in his pocket . Everyone knows its butters well, thats me jumping in puddles, skipping down the hallway petting goats at the petting zoo he loves john allway elway. Whos that tyke with the cutest little dimples . Batting his eyes at every puppy he sees . If you look inside yourself you might be surprised when you find a little boy named butters thats thats me, yeah. Three more days till we eat at bennigans. Thats 72 hours. Oh, gee whiz. Well, if you two will excuse me, i need to go out and buy a certain special lady her anniversary present. I hope he means me. Dont be silly, mom, of course he means you. Ill be back in a little bit. Butters, youre in charge of the house. Yes, sir oh, i wonder what hes gonna get me this year. We wont know till were at bennigans. Every year its the same. Your father gets me some great gift, and my gift to him falls short. Ive just got to outdo him this year. Ive just got to dads a good shopper, all right. Butters, maybe you could secretly follow your dad and see what hes getting me. You mean spy on him . But aint that kind of like fibbin . No, its a little different. You remember when the nice policeman gave you a badge and made you an honorary inspector . Sure, i do. Why, i think inspector butters could find out what daddys getting mommy without him ever knowing. What do you say . Inspector butters is on the case, maam. Everyone knows its butters well, thats me [ominous piano music] hmm, dads going to see a movie. How nice. [doorbell rings] white swallow bath house. Everyone knows its butters well, thats me im back, ma. Oh, hi, sweetie. Did you get to follow your dad around . I sure did