That the same or looked at differently and the role of federal government may be different in them in supporting the states to accomplish these opposed to the state supporting the municipalities and the counties to getting things done. There are environmental issues, theres housing, this employment. Theres civil rights. Theres union rights. Its all those things. Its access to health care, affordability of health care, access to education and Higher Education coul. Bill what has surprised you the most since your swearing in . Rep. Coleman my republican colleagues refusing to drop the issues like a womans right to and myopically immigration from the southern border perspective as opposed to internationally. Things of that nature and our refusal to move beyond those issues. Up, i wante we wrap to ask your daytoday routine on capitol hill. What do you like the most and what you like the least of the things you have to do day in and day out . Rep. Coleman i like the movement. Toike moving from one thing the next. I like the excitement of it. I like the least being taken away from a Committee Meeting and then having to leave and come back and get that momentum back. Bill after a vote or something . Rep. Coleman after a vote, yeah. Sometimes im frustrated on voting so much on procedural issues or having to push back on issues like i said that have already been addressed. Every other day, we are looking at interfering with the womans right to choose. Every other day, there is some negative immigration legislation attached is something that it does not belong with. Or every other day, we are fighting to make sure that people have greater access to Affordable Health care and not reduced access to Affordable Health care. Probably dealing with those issues over and over and over and over again. That is probably what i like the lease. Bill congresswoman Bonnie Watson coleman, thank you for being with us. Rep. Coleman thank you for having me. We were hoping to take you live to discussion of former u. S. Ambassador to syria robert ford on some of the possible effects of the iran nuclear agreements. We are having problems getting the signal to us. We will be recording it and will get it to you later in the schedule. Well let you know as soon as we do. The epas plan to resist isise airquality standards october 1. You can watch the house hearing on the standards 3 00 eastern on cspan. 10 night, the cspan cities toward visiting literary and Historic Sites across the country to hear from authors and civic leaders. We show these every other and americanspan2 history tv on cspan3. This month while congress is in recess, you can watch the citys on cspan. Today, you can look at lincoln, nebraska and the design of the capital come of the past and present of the first people on the plans, and discussion with the nebraska and governor. Ill sharpton, arne duncan, and civil rights activists at the National UrbanLeague Annual conference in fort. Auderdale, florida topics include African Americans killed by police, the 2016 election, and the Voting Rights act as well as education. Now let us take another look at another of our congressional freshmen profile series. Brendan boyle, the democrat from pennsylvania. He discussed his views on government, serving his anstituents, and winning tough primary election could we spoke to him at his Congressional Office for about 25 minutes. Brendan boyle, democrat of pennsylvania, tell us one thing that has surprised you the most since you have been in washington. Rep. Boyle not too much has surprised me. As a state Legislature Legislative before coming here. Most of the procedural type things i was familiar with an familiar with the lifestyle and the pace. What actually has presently surprised me and this is going to be contrary to everything you hear, but generally most members i found get along pretty well. I am coming against the grain in st. Louis, but i have relationships on both sides of the aisle. Being in the members jim certainly helps. It is hard to be too partisan there. Generally, i would say the people are more constructive than what appears on tv. I feel that if people actually saw more of their members of congress operating as colleagues and coworkers that they would probably feel better about the process and the system we have. I think a lot of times what ends up translating out to the wider world is the worst of those sides. That being said, what are your overall impressions of the way the town functions legislatively. In terms of the way the town functions, its amazing. Once you get into the capitol complex and get here early in the morning, you are here all day, throughout the buildings of the capitol complex. One thing after another. Before you know it it is 10 30 p. M. At night. Squeezetant trying to everything and and a few days because everyone is rushing to get back to the district that is one of the challenges that i wish we had more time here in d. C. The opposite is that when im back home in the district, i wish i had more time there to try and see people. I think that is always the biggest challenge. Here severale been months. How did you learn your way around this building, this capitol hill, in this town . How did you do it . Rep. Boyle are you talking about physically . [laughter] every once in a while, i turn left when i should be turning right. The state larger than legislature which i was serving. The fact that they have three Office Buildings and three Senate Buildings and the capital itself it is pretty remarkable to get to be here and in anve and especially area and actual building that has such history itself. To your biography, we read that you are the son of an immigrant janitor. You are the first in the family to attend college. What does all of that mean to you . More on how you got here and what that means for you and your family. Rep. Boyle its an integral part of who i am. Normal is a relative term. I would not know what it is like to grow up any other different way. Most, that is the norm in of us feel that way about our own experience. Both of my parents my dad is hergrant and my mom parents were immigrants and she grew up in philadelphia. They worked extremely hard to provide opportunities for my brother and me. It never felt like we were poor. We always had a roof over our heads and food on our table. But certainly, by modern standards, we did not grow up certainly not rich or middle or upper middle class. With that said, the most important things in the of bringing upbringing by farmer the love and support of our thents in the first and firm belief that if you work hard, get good grades, do your homework before you go out and play, that you will be able to a compass a lot in life. I always grew up with that sort of optimism and belief that things were possible. In terms of the way it affects or my as a legislator views, i have to admit that even subconsciously that i probably see the fairness of certain issues and the justice of them through the lens of my dad and workersnd just ordinary and hardworking folks who are attempting to do it right. I probably sometimes consciously, but admittedly more toes subconsciously, tend look at issues through those eyes first before i look at it from another perspective. Where did your parents come from . Mom andle might my dad came from ireland. Paul where did the interest in politics come from . Did you remember . Rep. Boyle i remember loving sports and loving politics. I remember being allowed to stay up late to watch the results of the 1984 president ial election and going into class the next day and impressing the teachers by reciting the electoral votes for different states. I was always is fascinated and loved politics. That did not necessarily mean that i wanted to do this as a candidate and a public servant. That went backandforth as i was growing up. I have always just been very. Nterested in it paul you are interested in sports as well. Where are the comparisons between sports and politics . Rep. Boyle the competitive drive is a part of it. You either win or lose. An election is more exciting than a super bowl because if a team loses a super bowl, the careers of all the players are not necessarily over in that game. They can come back next season. Too, the big difference, whoever wins or loses an election has a real life consequence in determining public policy. As seriously as i take sports, i will admit that this is a far more serious and far more important. Paul take us back to the democratic primary in 2014. The front row was endorsed by bill clinton and has many more resources, but you prevail. How did you redo it how did you do it . In aprile i started 2013. That was when the campaign kicked off for three of the four of us. And officially for the candidate who was the front runner the following month. Firstrted at the poll. A pollster came back and said, i have good news and i have bad news. The good news is that out of four candidates, you are in second. The bad news is that you are 32 points behind the person who was in first, former congresswoman , Chelsea Clintons mother in law. I knew that the odds were against us and daunting. I thought that looking at it realistically, i felt we had a legitimate shot to win. If i just worked incredibly hard and put the right team together, and really felt strong that the message, which is true to who i am, was be message that would best resonate with my voters in my area. And just want to work pounding the pavement. People think that you just need money to run for office and went actually our campaign and victory is a great example that that is not the case. While yes, we need to to reason money, i raise the least of the four major candidates in the race. Doingng doortodoor and over 225 community events, a lot of times very small of vents where we were meeting every single day, identified primary voters and taking every single question without that, there is no question we would not have one. You came here. What are your Committee Assignments and what would you like to accomplish in your time here . Rep. Boyle i am the Foreign Affairs committee and a part of that a middle east subcommittee. Its a boring committee. The world is at peace. There are never any issues. Unfortunately, its quite the opposite. It makes it very exciting and also very sobering knowing that the decisions that one makes are going to have such a enormous consequences. Addition to that, i am on the oversight and government reform committee, which too often does tend to unfortunately denigrate any partisan food fight. I guess you are not supposed to like one committee more than another, but i will admit that i do tend to prefer the foreign. Ffairs committee not that those issues themselves are not important, but unfortunately, just the way the committees are structured, the Foreign Affairs committee seems to be much more bipartisan in its approach in attempting to solve real problems, whereas on the oversight and government reform, it does tend to be about political scandals. Paul what are you hearing from constituents these days . What are you hearing the most . Rep. Boyle generally since the great recession, by far, the economy and jobs. Take a step back then rather specifically saying the economy or job creation or recession, i would put all these into the same category of middleclass angst. I talked a moment ago about how i was brought up to believe that if you work hard, play by the rules, you will be able to get ahead and be what you want to be in life. I think there are a lot of people, the hardworking american class is really questioning that right after polls show that a lot of people believe their children will actually have a worse outcome in life than they have. Thes really contrary to american trained and you make in spirit. Whether it is Higher Education affordability or access to quality education, wage fairness all these issues really do fall into the same category of a feeling that the american system in is notl believe working and it is something broken about it right now that needs to be fit fix. Paul you talk about the dual roles of being a congressman in tickets to but join, too. How do you find the balance . Are boyle those both equally important. If we wouldve had this discussion of thousand years ago, i wouldve understated the importance of the constituent service side. Being a legislature was a great part of that expense. Both are equally important. The capital in voting on legislation and policy is important. Similarly, back in the district and helping a constituent with a critical issue, oftentimes they are walking in your office and that is not the first place they went to. The placeimes it is of last resort. Both are very important. Sometimes when the legislative part of it can get frustrating and seems bogged down, you will have a real win in some persons life. I can think of an elderly couple where we stayed thousands of dollars in accurate insurance payment. A couple walks into our Statehouse Office with nowhere to turn and it turns out they were incorrectly billed. It was a couple in their 80s who had no ability to pay the inaccurate charge and they broke down crying when we were able to fix it. Reallyre kind of the feelgood moments that do not necessarily happen every day on the legislation side. Paul theres another large piece of that and it is fundraising. How big of a challenge is it for you . What do you think of the Campaign Finance system as it is now . Rep. Boyle let me be blunt and not very elegant in saying this the Campaign Finance system that we have in america is insane. A patchwork of postwatergate reforms that largely worked for a certain. Of time. Then we chip away at the Supreme Court decisions, first in 1976, and most recently with citizens united, has left this Campaign Finance system in which you have to spend and raise too much money to run for office, spend too much time doing it. Each and every single taxpayer employs me and his my salary. Each of us has as taxpayers pay for all members of congress. I would rather have the most conservative member or the most liberal member i would rather have that person working on legislation and policy and not having to spend so much time to raise money to run for office. And the system we have in the u. S. Does that not have public , sinceng for election they are privately financed, that is what has to happen. When i was referencing the Campaign System we have right now that it is broken and makes no sense, we have right now a system in which the individual who is running for office is capped in terms of the amount of contributions he can receive from one individual entity. But then some outside group can spend millions upon millions of dollars or some super wealthy individual can just write a check and spent a huge amount of money. In thert of in equity system has kind of created a situation where we had the worst of both worlds. It achieves absolutely nothing. I am very interested and believe fundamental campaignfinance reform. I believe that before i started office that i feel more strongly about it now. Paul tell us about your family. When you go home, who do you go home to and another balance question, how do you balance this and the financial peace . Rep. Boyle my wife and i have been married for 10 years. Am ave a beautiful gorgeous daughter, abby, who is 18 months. She already has a defined personality. And she did so from literally the first week she was born. Dad is still with us fortunately. He spends a lot of time with him. He is in my district and only about 15 or 20 minutes away. As well as my one sibling, my brother, who is also in itics, a state legislature legislator in enormous help during my congressional campaign. We campaigned every single day together. I joked during the campaign, especially when former congresswoman margolis was attention to the fact that former president clinton was supporting her, i like to say i had the most important official supporting me and that was my brother. Paul the difference as being a federal officeholder versus state is one more satisfying than the other . Is one more challenging than the other . Rep. Boyle they are both more similar than dissimilar. A couple of key differences would be the realm of foreign not at theich is state level. Sometimes we will have a border dispute with maryland and new jersey, but we have been ok for the last couple of centuries. A Foreign Affairs aspect of it has no a challenging at the state level. Has no algae up the state level. While love being a legislator and work very hard to get there, there are goose bump moments that happened here that are hard to compete with, whether it is being on the floor for the state of the union or when a foreign head of state comes and addresses congress or meetings down at the white house, which i just had an important meeting last week at the white house on a very serious and she issue. Those sorts of things are moments where you do have to kind of stop and really looked back. Sincerst week i was here i was appointed to the Foreign Affairs committee, we received a classified briefing on our fight against isis in iraq and syria from general alan. After two hours, while there was nothing in it of itself surprising i learned, just the way of what were talking about and the gravity really does hate you and a way at this level that is unlike Everything Else i am done. Anything else ive done. Paul have you traveled much . How do you keep up on things and ultimately try to lead in the area of Foreign Affairs . Rep. Boyle traveling is something i would like to get the opportunity to do more of your i have been in israel. Recently, i went to dubai and the united arab emirates. I will be going to the middle about artly again in week from now. That is important. Fortunately, it is something i have always been very interested. Im a full rations reader. Voracious reader. Im interested in national politics. Butjust domestic policy, politics with international relations. Fortunately, im doing something i really love. It does not seem as much work because it is what i tend to do in my spare time anyway. And that really helps. Paul more of that practical life on the hill the schedule complicated, whether it is bills or amendments or changes. Things getting added or getting with iran how do you keep up with what you are supposed to be voting on and how you are supposed to be voting on it on a day to day, hour to hour basis . Rep. Boyle that is the biggest challenge. Sometimes curveballs are thrown in the schedule. I have to rush back into my office to meet with constituents and suddenly a vote is called. Those are the real challenges. The first friday night we were in very late at night unexpectedly because the bill to extend Homeland Security ended up being defeated on the house floor. The famous last words 15 minutes before the vote was that i called my wife and i would say im going to be home in 15 minutes and ill be home and you put abby to that. And then a few minutes later, you are watching cspan or tv . That plan has changed. We were on the floor a lot. We cast their lot of boat votes. Even though im young and experienced enough now, six years in the state house and my first year, im fairly used to is one it can be it of the unfortunate aspects of the job, especially when we end a day unexpected because you had already planned things back in the district and now you have to call up and to explain to constituents why youre not going to be there. For some folks, they know there is this aspect of the job, but they are more interested in seeing you back in the district. I know that was the case certainly when i was a state legislator. Like we were talking about before, ive always tried to keep that handson approach. It is something i feel strongly about because in a country of 310 Million People and a world of thousands of tv channels and billions of websites, it is easy for people to feel disconnected on their democracy. It is easy for. Matter,o feel, i dont heard. E is nt when i am speaking to a group, there i am as the public face to the people of government. That is the way Representative Government democracy should work. At aneople talk to me event, they will feel better about the government in terms of being heard. I know that every single call to get in this office, i know what the person is calling about and that gets to me. That is important and i cannot describe that enough. It is not just because it is the right thing to do. I actually think that you will see people believe in democracy more and believe that the government can tackle big problems when we are there and present and listening. Paul a couple of last questions before we wrap up. Is there one thing in this ice that you want to point to that has special value to you . Rep. Boyle as you can see, i have a sparsely decorated office six or seven months and. Certainly my two degrees from notre dame and harvard. I was a diehard notre dame fan before i ever step foot on the campus. I would point out that was from a picture i took. That is the town in ireland where my dad grew up. Had i been smart enough to extend the camera a little bit further to the right, you would actually get the small half hows my dad grew up in. And then of course the family photos. I love the picture with Vice President joe biden picking up my daughter, abby. There is a picture of my brother and me and my dad at the white marchwhen we were hosted 17. Some pretty special events, but even now as i am looking over the shoulder at my moms old crossing guard had and my dads hat. While it is not exactly the nicest decorated office, as ive made fun of by some of my and thees who came in freshman class together, they probably had a lot more things on the wall the things that i do have probably say a lot about who i am and what i value. You, how longhave would you like to serve in the house and do you have aspirations be on the house . Rep. Boyle im going to Say Something that is probably quite unpopular. I know there is a bipartisan effort to criticize and bash the politicalf, system that has been going on since the generation of our Founding Fathers am a i believe in Public Service. When i made the transition early on from doing something in the private sector to once and to go and study public policy, i looked at this as a profession. If we are voting on a budget that is literally trillions of dollars and the decisions of war and peace, while people can come to that from many different walks of life, whether it is business or law or farming or ,edia, whatever the case may be these issues are very intricate. When isee now the value am on the Foreign Affairs committee and i translate a Ranking Member who has been on their two decades and dealing with very confiscated statutory issues in terms of a treaty we have to their is real value and having people who have studied this and no what they are talking about. I take it quite seriously. I believe that in some way or nester that it doesnt early have to the congress or elected office, but i do want to beat in the public arena or Public Service my entire life. I think it is a noble profession even though some folks in office do their best to denigrate it and act in a way that does not sign it in the best light. The best formis of government, except for all the others that have been tried. We better have people in office were working to get it right. I hope that at the end of the day whenever i retire, i can be someone who contributed positively and not negatively. Paul representative brendan boyle, democratic representative of the pennsylvanias 13th district, thank you. Is in recessress for the rest of august, members are tweeting what they are doing back in their home districts. This is a look at senator joe donnelly working on a power Tool Assembly line in greenfield and greenfield, indiana. And then romp rob portman working at person can company. More now from our Congressional Republican profiles. Ralph abraham is a political new an avid high lit and served in the national guard. We spoke with him and his Congressional Office for about 20 minutes. Congressman ralph abraham, 1000 when it comes to elections. This is your first look office, correct . Rep. Abraham its my first one on it. Run it and i w bill what you run . Rep. Abraham i am a grandfather. I was looking at the country and the direction it was going in. I want a different country and that is why ran. Bill was it hard to get the family on board . Rep. Abraham i have a very supportive family. Diane is my wife and she supported me and what i do in life. She has been the wind beneath my wings. My three older children when i told them i was considering running, their first words were do it. Bill how old are you kids . 32, 33, 34. we had them stretched out and it riod growingful pe up with them. Bill you represent the fifth district, the largest district in louisiana . Rep. Abraham the largest landmass. It is 12 for parishes that goes from the top of the state in baton rouge all the way over to all elusive. It is a big deal. Bill is a parish a township where county . Rep. Abraham it is a county. It is the same. Because of our french heritage, we spent the we stick with the name of a parish. Bill what is it in terms of businesses and terms of occupations . Rep. Abraham we are one of the locations met anywhere else in the nation. Did country people, conservative, down to earth, godfearing, so to speak. Town is tile monro, louisiana. The secondbiggest is alexandria. Compared to other large towns across the country, comparatively speaking, it would be a very small town. We are world. Rural. We are good hardworking people give bill. Bill you said you were running because youre concerned about what the country was headed. What are some the top concerns of your district . Rep. Abraham principles. Our Founding Fathers were men of genius. If you look at our constitution, and i try to read it once every quarter, every six months, look at the declaration of independence. One, it is based on christian values good too, it is based on very conservative values. The most important thing is based on his small government and we have gotten away from that fit the government we have now and it goes back decades. It starts back in the 20s and orn the 19th century the 20th century. The government has outgrown the people. It is no longer a contrary country by and for the people, now we are country for a lot of people. If you get a bureaucracy as big as we have now, it has to feed itself. When it does that, it stops feeding the people. Thats what concerns me. Are now a bureaucracy or a government that is no longer looking out for its people. If looking out for itself. Reading a background, by most peoples measure, it would be considerable over the course of a lifetime. You have been a veterinarian. You are practicing physician. You have been in the Army Reserves and the Mississippi National guard. You are a pilot. To congress, you mustve had a fairly wide selection of committees to serve on with that sort of expertise. Rep. Abraham the thing that we asked for one we got elected was veterans because they are near and dear to our hearts. Our heroes need to be protected and taken care of. They have taken care of us. The least we can do is repay them. Agriculture for the a for mentioned reason, we are in agricultural district and i needed to represent my Farmers Branch is and forsters very well. I was fortunate enough to be asked to be on the technology committee. That is a fun committee. We discussed things that are new al, on the horizon so to speak and we discussed important roles like epa, things like climate change. Inis a mixed bag of things the Science Committee whereas live he and agriculture are more specific. I enjoy them all and they are all good committees. Three Committee Assignments for constituent work. How do you keep it all organized . Rep. Abraham luckily, we have a very young and aggressive staff that keeps me in line. When i come to work every morning, we generally have a quick meeting of what todays activities are going to be and what the weeks activities are going to be. They get me lined up so to speak. Im very fortunate to have good people surrounding me. Our we are having conversation as Congress Gets ready heading into the august recess. What have you learned about washington as a governing area and congress that is different than what you expected when you got elected . And abraham as a physician as a businessman, im used to things happening a little bit , a little bit more efficiently, so it is a process that you have to adapt to. Im used to giving orders as a physician and they carry it out that day or certainly maybe that minute or hour. It is certainly not like it up. We have to be part of a system that is a little slow moving and work within the system to get things done. You have to learn the ropes so to speak, but ive learned quickly i hope and ive gotten some good things done. In terms of taking those orders, how is your relationship with gop leaders in the house . Rep. Abraham i think we have good leadership from boehner all the way down to skill lease alise. In louisiana, we are lucky to have Steve Scalise as majority whip. He brings clarity to the situation and brings power. In our louisiana delegation, if we have an issue that we want pushed to the front burner, where do we go . We go to scalise. Bill you talked about your background, but what in your background best qualified you for being a member of congress . Rep. Abraham probably the veterinary and the physician role. It does take some study to get to those particular places in life can eat up here in congress, you have to do your homework. You do not just come every day and show up. Imi go home and tonight, usually reading material from the Previous Committee hearings for the rest of the week. My staff has given me tasks to bolster myo hopefully Knowledge Base for whatever comes down deep hype. The pipe. It takes a lot of afterhours work to stay ahead of the game and you have got to stay ahead of the game here. Bill some of the numbers ive to to talked speaking about the figures of afterhours work, and number of them are staying in her office. Theyre living accommodations are in their office. Are you a member of the club . Rep. Abraham i was. I refuse to pay exorbitant rent fees. Im pretty tight with the dollar. Until diane found a something affordable and what i thought was at least fairly reasonable, i didnt camp on the couch for a couple of weeks. Now i am in a little apartment across town, so to speak, and the rent is still high, but manageable. Bill do you get home to louisiana and your district every weekend . Rep. Abraham almost every weekend. There may be two or three times at most where i stayed at in washington over the weekend. I prefer to go home of the week and it has i get to see the people i represent. The week that we get off during each month to go back in the district is a favorite week of the month for me. Bill what is it about washington where people who are thatwashington insiders they should know about how it runs . Rep. Abraham in todays day and age, there is still a lot of bipartisan support. 80 80 5 of bills coming down from leadership. We could not it without help from our democratic colleagues. There are certainly some ideology and some issues that we will never agree on. Go back to the founders. That is what they wanted. We wanted to debate. If we did everything all the time, there would be no need for us to be up your. We have to represent our people and that will cause divisiveness sometimes, but more often than not, we get along better than most people think we do appear. Bill do you find more or less bipartisan than you imagined . Rep. Abraham a little more. New there are be some there would be some, but i have been surprised refreshingly that there has been a little more than nine dissipated. That is a good thing. We are able to do business with the nation and good business. Habitsou talk about your and the three committees you are serving on and the amount of reading you have to do. Before we started our conversation on camera, we were talking about an epa hearing. He find you get enough time to get your questions answered in those hearings . Rep. Abraham no, i will say that quickly. We get five minutes, of course, to answer, ask, say a statement, what ever we want to do. I wish there were times that i had 30 minutes. Of course, when you have 10 or 15 people on a committee, that is not doable. You simply just cannot. Being yanked often out of those hearings for some sort of vote on the house floor. How many times have you found yourself going to the house floor and not knowing what the vote is about four Steve Scalise has to fill you in on where youre headed . Ip. Abraham every morning, my staff brings me a list of what we will vote on that day. We have actually discussed that in prior week to what is coming up. As far as knowing what we are voting on, i read every day. If there are amendments that may have an undertow that i need to opinion on, ips alise or mccarthy. There always on the floor and i can go to those people. I look at the louisiana delegation. We have very good congressman who have been here a while and they know the issues. I will bump talk to them from time to time and say, hey, fill me in on what we need to do here. Bill what are some of the items that have been working on in the early part of the 1 14 . Rep. Abraham for louisiana, it has been issues with fema. The epas water rule goes back and how the epa is affecting their livelihood. Back,xpect me to push express their interest, and be a representative. And that is what we do. Bill those issues concerning mais that a fallout from katrina . Rep. Abraham they want to do a fiveyear plan and cinnamon 100 year plan. Plan. Tead of a 100 year we do that in louisiana because we are low level line state. We cannot let that happen. Goes to insurance rates and being able to build structures. These are things we have to the on guard against because these things come up sometimes. Is try to slip under the radar so to speak. Our job is to watch the gate and close the gate when it needs to be closed. Flyingou mentioned your experience with the reserves and the Mississippi National guard. You are a highlight. What do you like about piloting an airplane . Rep. Abraham theres nothing i do not like about high living an airplane. It is a feeling that those who do fly understand. If im not working here or down in the district, im usually up in the clouds and flying. I do fly for the Civil Air Patrol auxiliary. I get to use my skills and a good way. I just enjoy it as a passion. And Civil Military aviator, what are some of your policy concerns about Civil Aviation . Does the issue of drones concern you, for example . Rep. Abraham lets go back to my agricultural district, we have crop dusters flying right now as we are speaking every day. Heighty are flying head over the crop. Should they hit a drone, which could be possible, it would bring them down and probably kill them. We do not want that to happen. The faa has issued some rules for drones right now that are being talked about, debated, but we have to have airspace issues with the drones. The drones are here to stay. They offer some wonderfully good potential. For mapping, agricultural sites, irrigation sites. I think the potential is unlimited, but we have also got people who are flying these aircraft in this airspace and there is this talk that i hear of reagan and dca that if a drone popped up on one of those big jets coming in bringing passengers and, and hit a windshield, trust me, it could do some major damage. The faa has its task cut out. We had people we saw just recently who stop fires from quenched, because drones were in the way of delivering water to the area. It is got to be worked out and worked out pretty soon because they are becoming very popular. Bill all caps of pockets is in the house are is there a pilot caucus . Rep. Abraham there is an aviation caucus. Bill is there a veterinary caucus . Unusual move for someone who is a veterinarian to be a physician as well . ,ep. Abraham there are a few not many. Im not sure the exact number, but there are some that move from the physician to a veterinary profession. I consider anyone remove it for me, it was more difficult to get into that schooled in medical school. The competition was much higher when i was applying for that new school. Fortunate to get in and stay in secondary school is difficult, too. It is a very hard course. Medical school to me was a little easier. With and families as farm farm work, that comes in handy. Rep. Abraham definitely pick i was on a tractor a few weeks ago and i could do anything on a farm that needs to be done as far as raising a crop, growing a crop, gary getting a crop, and harvesting a crop. Bill what is bush hogging . Rep. Abraham that is where you take a large bore a clear pastor. Your wallg back to and reading the constitution, this is a letter that you have on your wall from George Washington to the sultan of morocco. Where did you get that and why did you want to put it up . Rep. Abraham my wife found that at a rummage sale and she loves to go to them. She was able to pick that up somewhere in the district. I wanted it up here because it goes back again to our founders. Even back in that day, washington understood, as most of our founders did, the potential of this nation and how great it probably would be. Even at that point, washington was reaching across the pond, across the borders to other hey, we areng, growing. Were going to be a force to be dealt with and we want you to be a friend and part of our growth. This is what this letter is about i think he even sent a copy of the constitution with that letter to the sultan of morocco. Ourn, it goes back to history. That is what im afraid we are forgetting a lot in this country where we came from. We came from some good stock and we have to keep that stock in place. Bill what he think the best play you read it every quarter. How to get people to read those documents more quickly . Rep. Abraham in my district, i was there last weekend and talking to a large group of church people. Out andconstitutions declarations of independence out. When i go talk to any Educational Group or young students, theyre going to get a copy of the constitution and a copy of the declaration of independence. I tell stories about it so that it will at least entice them to open that first page. Once they start reading, when i go back and say, hey, did you actually read this . They say they did. The verbiage that was used in those days is not unlike any we see these days. The pros that they used, the itsng that they used, just phenomenal. People recognize and appreciate that. Once they start reading the constitution, or specially the declaration of independence, which is such a wonderful document, they are pretty well hooked. Abraham,mission ralph louisiana fifth district, thank you for being with us on cspan. Rep. Abraham thank you. House a look at the u. S. Closed until further notice. The architect of the capitol saying workers found unknown material behind the fabric wallpaper are checking out c. One of the new members in this chamber is democrat barber lawrence. Brenda we talked to her with our freshmen profile sears. To work on the Postal Service, serve on the local serb board was mayor of michigan. Local schoolhe board, and was mayor of a city in michigan. We spoke in her office for about 30 minutes. Paul representative brenda lawrence, democrat from michigan , before you came to the house spent a long he career working in the federal government. What work did you do and what perspective did it give you on the seat you now hold . Rep. Lawrence im proud to say i was a postal worker and postal employee. I came in being a letter carrier. I actually walked doortodoor in the weather. I worked my way up through toagement and after 30 years retire from not retire, but to transition from management district job to go and be fulltime a mayor of my community. Paul what perspective did it give you as a member of the house now on how government should be working . Rep. Lawrence it is a government agency, so knowing the checks and balances, not being frustrated with that, understanding the impact of respecting tax dollars, although the Postal Service generates their own revenue. The perception was that we were a taxpayer generated our revenue came that way. It came from ourselves. What was key about that is that we were regulated by the federal government. There were some internal controls and restraints. And the expectation of our role in Public Service to the country was extremely consistent throughout my service. And i served in hr. Was very concerned. I served in customer service, where i actually have a responsibility of delivering the mail. That gave me early on in my career that was the first job of the respect of Public Service. Paul you were born and raised into troy, michigan. What was that like and what did you see over the years and up to present day . Rep. Lawrence being born and raised in to try is amazing. I came up during the motown area. We are so passionate about our cars and the Manufacturing Industry was in our blood. We all know the story of detroit. Andeaked during my lifetime then we saw a huge decline. Im so excited to represent the city of detroit at a time where everything is coming back to life. It was almost like you were dying on the vine at a certain time. And now as we see, the Auto Industry has rebounded. Manufacturing is being redefined. The den efficient a manufacturing we are still a major player in detroit. Issee the foreclosure crisis devastating our area and our region. Now to see those homes being bought and occupied again, its just a great time. You feel like youre coming back to life. Im so excited to be a part of that and to have lived through it. It is my home. And now to see it coming back to life. Drew yout originally to Public Service, meaning of elected office and how did it all start for you . Rep. Lawrence it all started with pta. And myery active parent childrens education. Every time we wanted something done, we had to go to that board, talk to those people as board members, and i said i wanted to be on the board because i do not think they get it and i think we can do a better job. The little reluctant whole story about women going into politics is that you have a be on a ballot and get elected and go through that whole cycle. I was encouraged to do it. When i won the first time out, it was so amazing. It was like a rush. But then it became very sobering because then i realized these people voted placed their trust in you. It is that every time i won an election and ive one school boards, city council, mayor for 14 years, and now to be a member of congress ive taken that initial just sober moment when i sat there after being so exhilarating over winning. I now am elected official to what this is. It is a vote of confidence from the people. You have a responsibility. , i wasime i took a vote over a School District over thousands of children, their and basically their future. Ive taken every single job that ive had that the public has put their trust in me seriously and i define it as being a public servant. The first woman an africanamerican mayor of southfield. Timedoes that mean at the and what does it mean to you present day and tell me about southfield . Rep. Lawrence when i was elected, a reporter camerep. Lawrence to me and said, you are the first woman and africanamerican. Do you think because your city at the time was about 40 africanamerican, and 60 white or other races, he said, do you think it is because of the growing of africanamericans . Southfieldpeople of voted and elected me to be their mayor. Im going to use every skill set and passion i can to represent the city and to revise the Government Services and Public Service that the city deserves. God decided to create this world and blessed this skin with a beautiful brown color. If you want to talk about my race, talk to god. I want to talk about what i want to do for my city could i do not take lightly the fact that im a woman and the first to be able to sit in that seat nor the history emulate and the legacy and challenges of being an africanamerican in america. I do not take that lightly. I want so much to be a role model. Every time i see a little girl or little africanamerican, they say, wow, youre a mayor. Now i can say im a congresswoman and i tell them, you can, too. I take that very seriously. When i talk to women, i use this phrase i am planting my feet firm and pulling my shoulders back because i know all of you need to stand on my shoulders. I take that seriously. We are still a minority. 43 in the u. S. Ly house of congress. As we have increased to largest numbers ever, to have the voice of the people i represent, to have the diversity of my life and my experiences at the table a oneate issues, to be and in congress and to be able to fight for those issues i feel important to women childcare, have issues about our abilitygiver to make choices about our own reproductive life, those are important. I do not take those lightly. To say that ive been given this opportunity, i wear it with pride and i also wear it with a tremendous amount of responsibility. And im excited to be here. Paul what is the connection between you being a mayor and a member of congress . What lessons did you take from that past experience that might help you in this new office . Rep. Lawrence being a mayor, sass. Ve a lot more you have your whole city employment. Impact iional owned my city. Every single block of it, i could just dig down. If i wanted to know how people felt about an issue, it was manageable. When you go to congress and you start getting lobbied off of so many different interest groups, for every issue, there is a pro and there is a con. When you vote on an issue, the impact, which ive never taken lightly, the impact on a National Level the most sobering moment since ive been in congress in this time and being a freshman i like to say fresh woman, but we say freshman. Received atime i letter from the president asking for the right to initiate military force. That was sobering. You know, i had a police force. Save people. We went to take care of the city. If there was a bad guy, yes, we would train the skills to do that. To use military force was a very sobering moment. Of my the intimacy constituents. I love going home for district time because i get to touch the people and hear from them and get the energy of am i meeting my mark . What is important to you . I never want to lose that. I think local government thats why i wanted to run for congress. To give you an example of the highway trust fund. Likelk about issues minimum wage, education, these are issues we are talking about. And i know the intimate impact on our federal laws right down to the person or to the home. That is why i wanted to run for congress could because because i felt that voice and expense was lacking and i never want to lose touch with my constituents and those everpresent. Paul go district has been described as a combination of sort of a vastly different community. Islain the district, how it made up, who is there, what they think, what they like for you to do for them. Rep. Lawrence i have some of the most wealthiest communities, not only in michigan, but in the country. I have, as you know, detroit and some other committees. And there are some extreme challenges with criminal with, unfortunately, violence. Some of the most challenging issues, social issues played out in my district. Had the financial bankruptcy we saw detroit go through. We have poor communities in my district that are either going through or comingout of being under a financial manager. I have the to that, largest number of middle eastern population in my district and in fromeighboring district, the middle east. So, i have issues pointing playing out, that in lebanon, are myall of these constituents. Where some Congress Members may is be dealing with what happening and yemen, these are my constituents and their families. So, that has been an issue and a responsibility for me when it comes to my casework, when it being sensitive. There is a very large jewish population. Israel is very important. Issues. Ustice my constituents said my district is majority african american. They want me to have a voice. They want me to stand up and fight for them. You know, what is happening when it comes to policing in america. Education. Title i. It breaks my heart, because i know the impact for those children who are in poverty, that title i has on their ability to succeed in an educational situation that most people would call not normal, because there are so many other challenges. This is an opportunity. When i talk about the diverse diverseness, in addition, i have water all around me. They are very passionate. You better protect our water. You better be on board with this. Then you have the issue of, choice,re split on, life. Those issues always play out. We talk about funding for our roads. Oh, my gosh. Michigan is one of the worst in the country. In our to invest infrastructure. I am so proud i am on one of those i started a task force, trades, andskilled i am from a manufacturing environment, so i saw factories close and moved to mexico. But now the industry is coming back. And what you see, where the person used to stand there and weld, a robot does that. That job does not exist. That person may be unemployed. But guess what . That robot needs someone to program it. Need an electronic technician to repair it. Here you are with a brandnew set of opportunities. And while we are doing well with engineers, we are, across the country, there is a huge gap and only 30 of our children go to college, and we in america do not support Skilled Trades. You and i both know. You need a plumber. When your lights are not working, you need an electrician. When the computer stops working, you need a programmer. These are Skilled Trades jobs, where before you could do manufacturing and labor, they do not exist anymore. We have to focus and support that. Where you, asdeal a Manufacturing Company will and one of your employees train them in a skilled trade, we will give you a task incentive upa tax to 20 to do that. We must be partners in addressing these skills gap and the unemployment in america. Paul you mentioned such a diverse portfolio. How do you balance your time between the work you have to do here on the hill, committees, hearings, the floor, constituent visits, and going back home and doing all of that and raising money for reelection, right . How do you do it all . Rep. Lawrence grind. Wrence it is a what is the difference being a mayor i had a little more control over my life. Every member has a schedule. It is a fulltime job. It is to manage your schedule and have time for my granddaughter, who is the light of my life. My husband of 40plus years. I trained him. I do not have time to train another one. I want to keep him. You want to have time to be with your family. Funds for money celebrating women. Im preparing for reelection. I am right back into campaign mode. And then when you talk about i have to spend time with my constituents. So, when i leave here, get on , i goane, travel home right into district work. People say, all year, oh, you were going home to relax. Thats absolutely not the case. How did you first make your way around the hill as a new member . Go,showed you where to what to do . The whole orientation thing. Rep. Lawrence the Administration Committee did an amazing job with orientation. One thing theyd did that i thought they did that i felt was so profound was they included your spouse, so your spouse would get a sense of what your world would be like. It was two weeks of going to all of our orientation, except for security briefings. They were included in our ethics , going on the floor, seeing where we will be sitting, what we will be doing the other thing is you lost a lot. This is a massive building. Building, staff who had been on the hill, they would walk with you. How to get to the florida vote and to the cafeteria. But it was trial and error. And they kept laughing, too, because they know when you are a freshman or fresh woman, because you are Walking Around with that look and they will say, are you lost . [laughter] we might see you in small chunks on the floor. Two minutes on the floor, five minutes at a hearing. Is that enough time . What should viewers know that they do not see on tv . Rep. Lawrence what you do not committeeis chairing work. That is where legislation is ground out. They may not see that. You watch the actual hearings and they can be like paint drying and that is where the work is. Me, being a gives freshman here and in congress i have learned more. You also when you see us on the floor, one thing that many we aredo not realize, actually talking about bills and legislation, debating with our colleagues. You will see us cross over and talk to the republicans i need your support on this. Why cant you do this . A lot of work happens on this. That was surprising to me. Before coming to congress it looked like all of these people why arentound and, they sitting down being orderly . That is one time every member of congress was on the floor. You know, i need to talk to you about this. That is something people me to look at. I have aniefings amazing legislative staff. Every Congressional Office. We hire people and that is all they do. Grind and go dig in to legislation. We have a lot of reading to do. We have meetings. We have caucus meetings. That goes on all day long. And it is on issues and you you goore and sometimes to another committee and sit in so you can learn more about it. And more broadly, what you make of the way this town in capitol hill operate . Whoo. Awrence there are some traditions on this hill that i find amazing that we still use. I dont know if a lot of people know this, that when we are in session, a person can put on white gloves and brings this scale and sets it down to indicate we are in session. That has gone on for years. I question sometimes the partisan im concerned about that. Because for some issues that we are all on board on, and then it gets locked into a partisan issue. Just cant understand i will give you an example. The Homeland Security budget. There was not a member of congress that did not realize we needed to find that, how important it was. That we got sidetracked on an issue that was put into that bill. I keep saying this. If we agree on an issue and is good for our country and its policy, lets vote on that and take care of the peoples business. There are some things we fundamentally disagree on. Separate that and lets grind that out. Theres nothing wrong with discussion and debate. Our country was built on that. Democrat, republican philosophy. And everyone thinks we have one of the best democracies in the world. Im not afraid of the grind. But dont grind on things that we agree on. Divisivelant legislation into something we agree on. On the with new eyes system, that to me caused me some grief. Besides the massive reading you have to do for legislation, what else do you read . What you like to read in the office, athome . How do you fuel yourself that way . I like tonce for me, read newspapers. I like to know what is going on. I like to read editorial comments. Gives me a broader view of what people are saying. If i read, i am going to read something that is fiction. I need some time to just get away from the real hard issues. I love motivational books. T gives you tools i love the books on women in leadership. Im writing one now. It is important to me for women who navigate through leadership to really share that, so other women can avoid some of the pitfalls. Paul besides your staff, what is important to you in this room, in this office . Mementos, pictures . Rep. Lawrence family. I never want to lose sight of how important family is. I have been married to my childhood sweetheart. I have an amazing granddaughter. I have two just great children. I think in everything that you do, right now when i am talking about education and my granddaughter is currently in school being educated, that brings it home. When i talk about longterm care insurance, i think about my parents and my grandparents, why was the caretaker for. So, family kind of defines everything that we talk about here. It is hard for you to dismiss it from that. I will tell you that there are. Ther things in here different pieces of detroit that i brought into my office. I am a member of a sorority, delta sigma theta, and i am so proud of those women. And they should be proud of that. I would say, everyone has the same thing. They have a end and end and date, and what is different is the they have a beginning te, and whatnd da makes it different is the dash in between. Wrap up, webegin to should mention that you were elected by your peers as the freshman with and the senior the freshman whip and what should we make of those the compliments . Rep. Lawrence steny hoyer offered me the senior whip. I did has been the question. Ask the question. You know that i am a freshman, right . And he said, when i look at the experience you bring, that is the voice of one of the table. As the senior whip, you are hearing the challenges and the legislation and the bills and youre sitting there with other seniors to bring prospective perspective. So, what i want to do is continue to bring that skill set that i have and i am so proud of to discussing the federal government. Fromre freshman class amazing people and we have so, toreally close, and have the class put their trust in me and i sent out a newsletter to them, telling them what we are doing, different members, to make sure we keep that closeness. How long would july 2 serve in the house, if they will keep you and you ran for Lieutenant Governor one point in michigan. Do you have larger aspirations back home in michigan . Rep. Lawrence i am living and working my dream job. I have been given this amazing opportunity. I want to serve as long as the people keep me there. As long as i have that fire in the belly. I was telling my staff i was walking down the hall of the capital, and i said, i never want to lose this. I still stand here and i think about the history and the people who walk these halls. I never want to walk that and just think i am in a special place. If i ever lose that, i am going home. I have that fire in the belly. Sense of oh, iat want to stay here. Paul representative brenda freshman, thank you so much for your time. So. Lawrence thank you much. Congress is in recess for the rest of the month and several members are tweeting from their home districts as part of congressional delegations. Senator Richard Blumenthal isnt torrington, connecticut is in printing, connecticut today. He is talking about heroin with local and state leaders. Represent a Bradley Byrne shared his picture with a meeting of the israeli fence forces. With our freshmen profile series. Republican tom mcarthur of new jerseys Third District is a long time insurance executive. He talked about bridging the gap in congress, his familys chervil foundation, and his impressions of washington, d. C. Him about 30h minutes. His familys charitable foundation, and his impressions of washington, d. C. Bill can you tell us about your First Impressions of washington, d c . Greatawrence thats a question. I remember i came here not long after i got married with my wife. I would say 33 years ago paul just as a visitor. Bill just as a visitor. Representative macarthur yes. In thehat surprised you time you have been a member of the 114th . Representative macarthur it has been an incredible privilege to be part of it, to try to frame the issues and move our country forward. I represent people back home in new jersey and do the right thing by them. I hope that never gets old for me. Bill what is back home like . What is the makeup of the Third District . Representative macarthur it goes from the Delaware River outside of philadelphia, clear across the state to the ocean. On the eastern side, the ocean side of my district, it is 30 miles of the most beautiful part of the jersey shore line. In burlington county, as you get over toward philadelphia, i have beautifularmland, country. Its a great place, hardworking people raising their plans raising their families. What were some of the issues that were top of your mind, or top of your constituents, that you wanted them to address . Representative macarthur then and now, it is the economy. We have a recovery that does not feel like a recovery. Unemployment numbers are going down, but largely because people are dropping out of the workforce. We are taking parttime jobs in trying to hobble together a living. Its unfortunate, but it has not been a recovery at all. That is what the people back home most want to see, is Congress Work together, democrats and republicans, and get things done, that can move our country forward. I saw a news article that said you have a regular practice the House Chamber through the doors on the democratic side of the aisle. Why do you do that . Representative macarthur i started to do it you know, sometimes you go in one side, sometimes you go in the other side, but i stopped and talked to people. Ever since, which has been really most of my time here, i just do it every time now, because i see my republican colleagues at different events, social events, political events. Theres plenty of opportunity to be with my republican colleagues, but less so with my democratic colleagues. Even before i took office, process,e orientation i realize that partisanship is built into the dna of this place. If you are not intentional about overcoming it, you just slip in to becoming a republican or a democrat. It may seem like a simple gesture, but for me its an opportunity to get to know people. Bill have you seen other members make that intentional effort toward bipartisanship . Representative macarthur yeah, i think there are certainly classmates of mine who believe that we were sent here to make the place work. And you simply cannot do that if you only focus on euro party. You can get away with it some of the time on issues that have broad support across party lines, bond issues where it could go one way or another, if you dont cultivate real genuine relationships with people in the other party, i think those are lost moments. Tell us about your background and experiences you have had that will fight you most for the position you are in now as a member of congress. Representative macarthur i always said i was running as a businessman, but i think the things that shaped me and made function with other people, because its really a very human environment are not just the business things. I grew up in a family, middleclass family, my dad was a midlevel government worker. Stay at home mom. My mom was a liberal democrat. My father at that time with a was a very conservative republican. He moderated a bit through the years. My mom was a democrat and my father was a republican and we grew up literally arguing religion and Politics Around the dinner table. And i think that shaped me a lot. I said my mom this is the mom that raised me. My birth mother died when i was four. Of cancer. And my dad had no insurance at the time and i watched him work at least two jobs and for most of my upbringing three jobs to pay i did not know it at the time but to pay for our family to Stay Together and have a life. It took him until i was about 19 years old to pay off the medical bills from my mothers death. She died when i was four. His work ethic shaped my work ethic a lot. I got married out of college, 33 years ago. My wife and i had our first child was born with special. Eans special needs that grew me up fast. I was in my early 20s. We had to make a decision that nobody wants to make, which is what to do we found out in the fourth month of pregnancy that if she lived, grace was when to have severe handicaps, and that shaped me a lot in life. We had grace. She lived to be 11 years old. Very, very difficult when she died. Very dark couple of years. We adopted a child. We adopted another child about a year and a half after grace pas sed. Before i talk about business at all, those are the things that make a persontoperson. Those are the things that make me feel compassion when i see people struggling, because my life is not been all roses. And i think government cant do anything, but government can certainly help. When i look at issues Like Health Care or immigration or job creation or the economy, all of the issues, whatever you might think of, for me, it is about trying to find where government can help real people have better lives. Bill given your experience with your mom and health care, is obamacare getting it right, or do you feel like representative macarthur unfortunately, i think not. Free market reforms are better. The intent is good and there are things i would keep, like coverage for kids up to 26 years old, i think, is good. Preexisting condition coverage is important. I came out of the insurance industry. These are things Insurance Companies can model into their premiums. I support that. I also believe we should have safety nets for those who have no access to coverage. I just think the federal government is the wrong place to do it. I think state lands like that would be a better place. Was in business, and that is probably other major thing that shaped my life bill the Insurance Business . Representative macarthur i really fell in love with my first job. I investigated insurance claims in the new york city and housing projects and it was really an eyeopener. I grew up on a farm town, working on a neighbors dairy suddenly i was transplanted into manhattan investigating claims in the projects, and i really found it interesting. I ended up going into management, and ultimately had a chance to run a very small from myand grew that one office, 100 or so people to 100odds of people in offices across the country. I saw things that helped and hurt. I saw were state and federal action enabled us to do things, and made it more difficult for us to do things. I learned to work with other people, whether they agreed with me or not. Because that is so you get business done. Sometimes i made acquisitions and i sat at the table with somebody who was my opponent in the marketplace and figured out what they wanted and needed so we could do a deal together, and , combinedgs, i think with the things that have shaped me personally have given me the ability to get things done. That is what i hope to bring all politics somewhat of calling. You were a mayor, correct . Representative macarthur i was a mayor. I studied history in college. I focused a lot on American Social history and political history. And, yeah, i ran for local office. Became a local councilman, a deputy mayor, and a mayor. I really liked it and felt i was pretty good at it. I saw some problems that had a small townle in not small, but midsized town. And then when we saw it opened up, i decided i had something to offer and ran for the office. Lets go back to your family for a moment. I understand that you and your wife set up a charitable foundation. What motivated that and what do you do without foundation . Representative macarthur my wife runs it. I am her secretary and treasurer, but she is the leading person in that, and i you know, we started to do really well. And i grew up with a sense that , youyou have been blessed have a responsibility and a joy in helping other people, so we out things to figure to do, so we created the foundation, initially to help children. H charitableig foundation, and maybe i will take a moment and tell you about the name, because it is telling about how we thought about it. Buying myst suggested company from its owners at the time, i have the first meeting with them and i broached the subject i was running it it. Ady, but they owned they were interested, and i came back, you know how you do. You put your notes into a file and i gave it a code name, because i did not want to put acquisition of york. I wanted to keep it a secret. I gave it the codename igh. Was done with acquisition, i had file cabinets files. E igh it stood for in gods hands. I thought it was so far beyond my ability to buy a company i did not have the money to do it. I borrowed half the money from the owners of the company to buy their company. So, we named the foundation that and we wanted to focus on kids that were really in difficult circumstances. That might feel uncared about. And we wanted to remind them that they are in gods hands, too. At the time, we focused just on not going towere school in africa and had lost both parents to aids. Then we worked on children who had been sold into prostitution in india. We wanted to get them out of that environment. We have given away 2200