Death of eric garner in that book. A number of years ago as a heartbreaking tragedy. How do you view the deaths here of george floyd and the one just recently, Ahmaud Arbery in georgia. George floyds arrest and death was absolutely appalling by all evidence. It is agonizing to watch that absolutely thenk whole country condemns this and its appropriate the charges were brought very quickly, we need to investigate the rest of , so the anger at that arrest is absolutely understandable. However it is not representative of policing in this country and incessantly on Tactical Training for officers, on deescalation tactics. Courtesy and respect, but i dont think its fair to condemn a Nations Police force of over 600,000 sworn officers who have three headed 75 million contacts with civilians a year based on this one appalling arrest. Because when that happens, the people who need help the most of the ones ive talked to for , the lawabiding residents of innercity neighborhoods who are desperate for more Police Protection and who want to be able to go into the Grocery Stores without fearing that they may get shot in a driveby shooting. Their voices need to be heard as well. Lead opinionhe piece today on the wall street journal with the headline on your oped, the myth of systemic police racism. Charge of systemic police bias was wrong during the obama years and remain so today. However sickening video floyds arrest, it isnt representative of the 375 million annual Contacts Police officers have with civilians. A solid body of evidence finds no structural bias in the criminal Justice System with regards to arrest, prosecution or sentencing. , not and suspect behavior race, determines most police action. Police officers fatally shot 1004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. Africanamericans were about a quarter of those killed by cops. 235, a ratio that remained stable since 2015. As you look at Police Departments across the country, what are the best ones doing to ratio fewert killings, of good contacts context of the people they police. Best ones are spending their training money on Tactical Training and deescalation. They are not frittering it away on implicit bias training. There are bad cops out there, their bad interactions and every of theone is a betrayal trust that we placed in officers , we give them a monopoly on the use of lethal force but i do know a Single Department it isnt working as hard as it can to try and reduce bad encounters. What determines the way at which officers encounter suspects is crime. ,olicing today is datadriven Police Officers go where people are most being victimized. They go where the community is asking them for more police when i go and again, to inner Cities Community meetings, what i hear from those wonderful people is you arrest the dealers but their back on the corners the next day, why cant you keep them on the streets. Im terrified to go into my lobby to pick up the mail because theres youth hanging out there loitering, smoking weed and selling drugs. Those people that are committing crimes are by no means the majority. But the police are not making random decisions. They make decisions based on one thing, victimization and community demand for help. Host our guest talking about policing the u. S. In the wake of the george floyd death. We welcome your calls and comments and texts. 2027488001 is the republican line, 2027488000 free democrats, independents and others, 2027488002. Is for 2027488002 Law Enforcement officers. We will get to your calls and comments in just a moment. Heather mcdonald you talked about datadriven. The officerding is come one of the officers of some had a record with theary issues Minneapolis Police force. How can Police Forces monitor that better and make officers like that either get retrained . Familiar with the Minneapolis PoliceDepartment System for monitoring officers. That record of civilian complaints could well indicate that he was a bad cop. Nevertheless, its also the case, im not saying this is true here at all, but it is also the case that officers that are actually proactive and out there looking for gun suspects out on a Street Corner at 2 00 a. M. Hitching up there waistbands rather than driving on by, those officers get out of their car and ask a few questions. They also have a lot of complaints lodged against them by criminal suspects. , somebodywell be should be red flags that have civilian complaints and it needs to be absolutely closely monitored what was going on with his past records, i dont know. I think the Minneapolis Police department has been through waves of reform. Nevertheless, it should be investigated but they are not the final answer with regards to any given officer. Host i may have misstated the line for Law Enforcement officers. 027488003 one more thing from your opinion piece in the wall street journal. The latest in a series of studies undercutting the claim of systemic police bias 2019 ind in august of the proceedings of the National Academy of sciences. The researchers found that more frequently officers encountered violent suspects from any given racial group, the greater the risk the greater the chance that a member of that group would be fatally shot by a police officer. What is behind that statistic . What other details can you tell us about this . Guest whats behind the statistic is the fact that policing today goes where people are being victimized by criminals. In the Justice Department has known for decades that the best predictor of Police Behavior is civilian behavior. If civilians are resisting arrest, the officer is going to escalate his use of force to the point he deems sufficient to subdue that resistance and the suspect continues to resist and escalates his use of force, the officer response. ,f you look at numbers overall what determines the rate at which officers use their own force is the rate at which they encounter violent arms and hate in suspects. Its not based on race, its based on the rate at which officers encounter violence and sadly, that rate is not evenly distributed throughout our country. Black sty of homicide in this country at six times the rate of whites and hispanic combined. That is a civil rights problem, they are being deprived of their rights to life at a very high rate compared to the rest of the population. And the policing is trying to bring that rate down. The reasons black diet blacks dive homicide at an elevated rate is because there are crime rate is higher. Blacks commit homicide and these are difficult things to talk about and the media does a very good job of keeping the public largely in the dark about how vast both the victimization and Crime Commission data is. If we are going to be talking about Police Behavior, you have to look at underlying criminal behavior. So nationally, blacks commit homicide at eight times the rate of whites and hispanics combined. Cant go means the cop where people are being victimized, which again is driven by shots fired calls, who is calling in that they think suspects with guns. They cant respond to crime without having some sort of disparate impact in the people that they are investigating. They dont wish that disparity, its a disparity forced on them by the reality of crime. In new york city for example, according to victims and witnesses of driveby shootings who were overwhelmingly , blackses themselves commit about 70 of all shootings in the city. Hispanics add hispanics shootings to black shootings you will act counter account for 98 of all driveby shootings in new york city according to the victims and witnesses. This is not some racist cop making up the numbers. Cops hope against hope that every time a shots fired call comes across their radio, they are going to be given a description of a white suspect. Instead they are most invariably being called on behalf of a black or hispanic victim and being given the description of a black or hispanic suspect. Host we will go to calls for our guest. We certainlyr have to ask ourselves why the crime rate would be higher in one community as opposed to another and of race has nothing to do with it why is there more crime going on there . There has to be some recent for reason for it. Certainly pointing out that the Police Responded to crime doesnt tell us why there are more crime. Why is there more crime . Guest thats a good question and i would single out as the predominant reason the tragic breakdown of the black family. Nationally we over 70 of children being raised by single mothers. In many city areas its closer to 90 . Filled with fatherless men come whether its white or black. When youre the breakdown of the marriage there is a systemic failure. Thats true across races. You are seeing that in the white 23 or 23 of white kids being raised by single parents. In lowerclass communities and getting very high. The crime rate is going to follow that. Police of the second best solution for fighting crime. Nobody wants a Police Presence in the neighborhood. Solution is families imposehers that can discipline and teach young males to deferred gratification, restraint impulses, and many heroic single mothers are working against the odds and buteeding fantastically, barack obama himself when he was 2008ng for president in gave a moving speech on fathers day in chicago and said we have to be honest and look at the data. Again, any individual a single mother is obviously working their heart out to provide that,ut on average, we know sociology has known this for decades, the children raised with other fathers are five times more likely to be poor, far more likely to end up in a school and truant in to end up in prison. Host lets hear from eddie in massachusetts. Caller good morning. It looks like five police have been shot and probably dozens have been injured by flying debris. But youre right with the breakup of the family. Menou notice all the young breaking into those stores, young black men, where their fathers . Thank you. Host heather mcdonald. Guest i only heard part of that but i agree. We are seeing a chaos thats very terrifying. If it stops its a set of precedents for a fundamental attack on the rule of law. Civilization depends on restraining what is an innate human lust for destruction and mayhem and when it gets unleashed its hard to put back in the bottle. We have the policing metaphorically of broken windows. At least five officers shot during protest. En i call on the congress to act this month on this first real ion, starting with police reform. Congressman jeffries has a bill holds. Aw choke congress should put it on the president s desk in the next few are other measures, mprove oversight and accountability. To create a model force standard. Hat should also made law this month. No more excuses. No more delays. If Mitch Mcconnell can bring in do United StatesSenate Confirm trumps unqualified run ial nominees who will roughshod over our constitution now, its time to pass legislation that will give true constitutional promise of Legal Protection under the law. Ooking ahead in the first 100 days of my presidency, im committed to creating a national commission. Ight ive long believed we need Real Community policing. E need each and every Police Department in the country to understand a comprehensive eview of their undertake a comprehensive review of their iring, their training, their deescalation. Some have done it. Some are in the process of doing it. He federal government should give of the cities and states the tools and resources they need to implement reforms. More Police Officers might the standards. Most of them do it. All the more reason why bad cops hould be dealt with severely and swiftly. We all need to take a hard look allows for re that the senseless tragedies to keep happening. Ost a number of proposals there by the former vice president. Macdonald, your comments on any of them . Guest well, the invocation of policing. I dont know a Single Department that will say they are not doing policing. Content. Cally an empty obviously, Police Departments need to bring the community in, that are t know any not. They hold meetings. Up. Dy shows as far as banning choke holds, that. Nostic on risky bviously a very actic, but the public often does not understand the power of arrest. G somebody who is determined to it can take six officers to try and take him down. Officers guns, try to shoot them. O whether it should remain as available as an absolute last tactic, is something that i really do not feel on. Ified to weigh in obviously we need more training. The federal government providi providing more resources to Police Departments, yes. Tactical go into training. Reallife scenarios. To deal training of how with what can be enormously situations. None of us would have the with the o deal situation where you are trying just e a suspect thats had a shooting, how do you bring hat person down without using force yourself . Oft often, people are blocking your fforts to try and arrest someone. We just had last week two chicago, the police were trying to arrest two gun suspects. The likely was suspect in the shooting of a 2yearold girl. The other had just thrown his under a car. The police were trying to bring restraint, tonder arrest them, and the crowd tried o pull the guy out of the car that had just thrown his gun under the car and started officersbottles at the who were trying to make the arrest of the suspect and the the in the shooting of the 2yearold. Thats what officers are up against. Do want more Tactical Training. I know officers who pay for own in chicago because they dont feel like theyre getting enough. But what instead has been pushed by the obama commission, the 21st Century Policing was implicit bias training. I attended those trainings. Outside of st. Louis several years ago, and hey were an insult to the officers intelligence. How now, talking about to somebody a female carrying a briefcase could be a suspect. Ok. Thats fine. Sitting around talking about imimplicit biases is not going to do anything. What will do something is giving on experience about also, of course, they need constant training in courtesy and respect. Can develop rs bnoxious attitudes toward the public. People preemptually. They dont answer questions. Thats often the case. Hostile attitude is in response to things like air mail. Practice in some ommunities of throwing bags of rine and feces off of roofs to officers. That reality of policing nobody wants to talk about. Host on our line for law we go to t officers, valdez, calling from mapleton, illinois. Caller yeah, good morning. This is a complicated issue. Time. There was more ms. Macdonald gives a lot of Academic Solutions to things. Or this ay recently last statement about more Tactical Training. In california, most of my time in patrol. I was also a nationally start trainer in the all forms of baton and defensive tactics. And you dont need to be the chokehold. Theyve been banned for years. Krotic , the did c chokehold, what they to eric garner was a fiasco. People, piling on thats the problem. You dont need more than three. If people were properly trained problem. Dnt have that but unfortunately, we are being and we meaning police, abuse people. Done. Hings getting the second point ill make, there is an absolute disparity people are treated and have been throughout time. I started in 1981. 2004. D in and i can tell you now that and the Opioid Crisis is a example. Youre talking about where the crime is. The now, ms. Mac donelled, senate and macdonald, the enate and Congress Approved money to treat people with opioid. If they followed their own rule, incarcerated e those people that were 92 white felony nd thats a possession of. So if they had been run through the system, you might have had a outcome as far as how people are treated as opposed to junkies were n thrown in the joint right quick. Until we address all of that and happens in that inner cities, and you replace them with any group of people, race, and you will get exactly the same result. Host appreciate your input, valdez. Macdonald. Guest well, theres nobody incarcerated, in prison for use. Virtually nobody in prison for smoking a joint unless somehow that persons dealer. Ajor thats a fall is i. Fallacy. The fact of the matter is the drugs has been instigated in every instance by communitiesner city who understand the pal of living market. En air drug opioid abuse, i dont think that is going on in open air drug markets. The sales are happening in a different forum. Ut this is something james professor, le documented that the rockefeller city, it in new york was it was preachers and newspapers in harlem that were for the police to crack own on the drug trade because they saw this as a threat to heir effort at achieving stability. Same with the war on crack. The Congressional Black Caucus that said this is the our oppression that community has experienced since slavery. Penalties ck ultimately get bit up in an to show an effort ensitivity to an overhigh level . Yes. But i would also point out they meth dentical to the enalties of five grams of meth or crack yielding a mandatory five m federal penalty of years. Trafficking is was and s overwhelmingly white and hispanic. So if the crack penalties were antiblack, then the identical antiwhite es were and hispanic. Decidinge cops are not randomly to try to bring down drug markets. They are responding to people their Community Meetings and say we are dealers. Of the drug host heather macdonald, you can wall er piece in todays street journal. As always, thanks for joining us. [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2020] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org] this afternoon at the White House Briefing room aiting for press secretary mcenany to brief reporters. Again, live coverage here on cspan. We are live this afternoon at room ite house briefing waiting for press secretary ayleigh mcenany to brief reporters. Again, live coverage here on cspan. Twominute warning before the begins. Hello, y mcenany everyone. So im going to start with a few housekeeping announcements. First of