Rasmussen who you will and theres rasmus anders r asmussen. Maybe if we could kick off a question about the pandemic, it feels like the authoritarians are getting a free pass to implement more of what they would like to implement which is surveillance to more traditional military tactics and you wrote the world is paying a high price for this. I took that as a reference to china, but feel free to correct me if it was in reference to other countries. We believe there are many who believe china has been handling this better than the u. S. What is the outlook . Ms. Albright clearly china made a huge mistake from the perspective of the United States by keeping information that the virus away from people and also arresting those in china that were coming forth with the truth. Social distancing and Wearing Masks and things which does mean there is a role for government in terms of creating the rules and making sure they are carried out. The question is how that doesnt disintegrate into a total advantage for the authoritarian governments. The chinese have taken advantage of that. There has been kind of a return of the virus in china and we are again seeing across various lockups and aspects that are a danger. The part that is difficult and i think one has to enter discussion like the one we are having today is trying to recognize what is the role of the Central Government in trying withlp develop those rules when the virus is spreading and to have a government that recognizes scientific basis of it. And then figures out how to a low will allow local authorities and countries to follow the rules and gives the people a chance to exist within a democratic society. I think we should not underestimate the difficulties in this. Maybe i will throw in a question on hong kong. China is using the pandemic as a cover to push through changes and limitations on the rights of hong kong that had been attempting last year. What do you think the world needs to do to stop that . Ms. Albright one has to notice. I was in hong kong for the turnover. The excitement of that, there were certain parts of the basic law that allowed for the council to have a set of laws to be able to move towards a different kind two systems and how to figure it out. They are using it as an excuse. What i find interesting is there are certain countries that have been able to control the virus, and taiwan is one of them. One of the things i hesitate to say is countries that have Women Leaders have been able to control the virus better. Germany,nd, taiwan, norway. The question is how democracy is controlled. What are the various rules and tactics, how is that carried out, it is more consulting with the people and seeing the people as part of the solution, not the problem and certain characteristics women have in and clearly govern understanding the science of issues, understanding the people are partners in trying to solve its and caring about the wellbeing of the people. This is an important part, not pitting one group of people against another. Democracies can control the virus and i think they need to focus on that while those that have authoritarian tendencies are using it to push even and create really an authoritarian government. Some of them say it is because we are trying to control the virus when really it is controlling the people and have power. Picking up some of the results of the alliance, something that struck me is fewer and fewer people believe their own countries are democratic. Half of america doesnt really identify with the u. S. As a democracy anymore. Maybe that is about the polarization of politics. What is your take on that situation there and that global trend . Is it something we need to be worried about in democracies themselves, that they will disintegrate . Ms. Albright i am worried about that and i wrote a book called fascism, a warning, before the virus issue and try to figure out what was going on. Fascism is not an ideology. It is a method for taking power. I looked at the history of fascism which begins with mussolini. What happened was really italy felt disrespected and not think for the role not thanked for the role they played in the first world war. This character mussolini was a good speaker, outsider, and was understood how power was gotten, and he then this is what is interesting. He and hitler came to power constitutionally, because in the case of italy, King Emmanuel turned it over to mussolini. The best quote in the book was from miscellany which is if you pluck a chicken one feather at a time, nobody notices. We saw that in a variety of places. We were talking about europe, or is ais a perfect orban perfect example who had been seeking power in hungary. Hungary had problems as a result of world war i, feeling they had been betrayed from the treaty. I remember doing a survey in the early 1990s. We asked this of every country. Orban has operated on that. On the basis of keeping refugees out and to some extent trying to deal with the virus and creating a National Emergency and working off of that. What happens if you have a leader intent on getting power, they can use a crisis to really justify its. To understand that kind of leader thinks he is above the media is anthe enemy of the people and then there is the other thing which is to pit align yourself with one group and pit it against another. That is the power of procedure that takes place. We have seen it in hungary, the philippines, venezuela and to some extent in poland. Rises in a number of countries, it becomes a tool for say we are better than you are and undermines trying to deal with the virus which knows no borders. Joinedre the audience us, we were chatting about social media. A lot of these discussions can happen very quickly and at scale but still privately and out of the public eye and out of the way of accountability. In a sense you can do everything quick with social media whether it is good or bad. Wonder if you have reflections about what we might need to do to make sure those platforms are not doing harm in the way they now may be . Ms. Albright when social media became obvious, i remember i am chairman of the board of the National Democratic institute which is part of the endowment for democracy which was started by president reagan who thought democracies were not good about explaining themselves visavis communism. It has been interesting to study how democracy took hold after the end of the cold war and a trend towards democratizing democratizatoin. Are all thed, we same, everybody is pretty for democracy, to make decisions about their own lives. What happened i have to tell you, we thought the rise in social media would democratize in many ways because people would have access to information and ways of participating. It turns out to have been a doubleedged sword. The question, and there is a lot of work that needs to be done in terms of how the platforms are into the not to get process you dont want censorship but how do you keep the material that is wrong or inducing to violence out of it, so these are the big issues democracies have to deal with in authoritariannot frankly. You would agree it is a complex ways d it is in many i was thinking even made more complicated by the virus because all of a sudden we have to figure out ways to attract people and how is that done. Of major pandoras box proportions. It is a truly essential problem that needs to be discussed between the people and the government. It needs to be discussed by journalists themselves and by academics, experts and i think it is one of the not so hidden issues that will make the next much International System more complicated than before. I dont think we are going back to anything that happened before the virus. We need to think a new think anew about structures, information and the people. You raised a gender leadership role earlier on. If i could talk about gender and the general population, i got in trouble by suggesting the pandemic was hitting women harder than men. That might not always be true in the death rate, but it has reminded us of the structural inequalities women are facing and those get amplified what the economy happens what the pandemic does to the economy. Thoses your advice to looking to address inequalities around the world . Ms. Albright what is essential is to recognize it. Part of the problem is they have not talked enough about who is affected by what. One of the issues is in the strong obviously now at the moment and i think for a long time in the United States is how our blackected population and stimulated a discussion about systemic racism. So that is one of the issues. It has affected women in a number of different ways because many of them are the caregivers and they are the ones that have two continue to give care care. O continue to give when there are not enough jobs, women are laid off. Even when they are not, dont get paid the same amount as the men. The other part, and this is the combination of all of the problems that are there and make is thate difficult, there are refugees and immigrants many of whom are women who end up in some of the refugee camps. They get infected from what goes on there. Leads to another and the whole issue of how the pandemic has operated within the refugee population, many of whom are women. The other part that happens is there is violence against women and that is more likely to come up when there is, when there are problems and people are under stress and there are various instincts or whatever one calls it many to be stopped. Violence against women is one of them. Women are a large proportion of the victims of the pandemic which affects their life and livelihood. Lived through so many turning point in history 1968, 1989,ar ii to 911. Do you think we will look back at 2020 or do you feel it as a turning point in modern history . What can we do to make it a turning point . Ms. Albright i will say if one looks at the elements and how it is affecting not just one country but everybody in the world, it is interesting to know there are very new countries that have totally not been affected or they dont know what their statistics are. It makes us realize we need to sort out how institutional structures work internationally and mystically, what the role of technology is in all of this and who it affects. I think it is a turning point. I hate this cliche. It happens to work. A crisis can be an opportunity. Even before all of this, and i wrote my fascism book before, we need to recognize that the International System was not working. It upset people. So a lot of the institutions we have worked with internationally and domestically were created out of world war ii. Some were modified after the end of the cold war. I had an interesting time working with rasmussen, secretary general of nato, to deal with the changes on that. This as ae can see major turning point and needs to be seen as an opportunity to with globalwe deal pandemic that requires International Cooperation and how it affects our government. From what you said earlier, you need a government to make rules about how to deal with a pandemic. How do you make sure the government does not overstep its balance and the chicken ends up being bald . Invites almost time to dean fritz meyer. You made us think of a final question. As the work you did, how much harder when it have been if you did not have membership of International Organizations like the World Health Organization or if you were cutting off those . I am going to assume you disagree with president trumps decision to undercut those organizations. How much harder would it have been to do your job without those organizations . Ms. Albright it would have been impossible. I had been ambassador before i was secretary of state. I understood the importance of the relationships. We were dealing with serious issues where there was ethnic cleansing taking place. We wanted to undertake whatever we had to do with partners multilaterally. I teach at georgetown and i teach what talks about the National Security you need thes and especially end of the 20th century, you needed partners. I was the first secretary of state in the 21st century constantly building bridges to the 21st century. It has turned out to be even more complicated having started with the terrorist threat and looking towards Climate Change and now this pandemic. There is no question you need International Organizations to Work Together and to complement and work and recognize the National Governments and how they fit into a national into a International System. Also the private sector. Whether it is corporation, ngos , universities, you need everybody working on what our complicated new problems and recognizing democracy is the only answer. Thank you so much for the conversation. Time for me to leave now. You will stay on the line, but i will say goodbye and welcome dean fritz meyer from the university of denver. Ms. Albright thank you. Hour session with secretary albright to announce a Strategic Partnership between the alliance of Democracy Foundation and the joseph cobles school of International Studies at the. Niversity of denmark let me welcome the dean for its ofe of the for a flyer the welcome. To Denver University in late february back when we could theel the world, sharing state, discussing the state of democracy. At the same time i had good talks with the dean and other faculty members on cooperation with my foundation. That is what we are announcing today. It brings a special significance to have secretary albright with us. Since the school is her family josephrough her father such, and you represent strong american and european stories. Linkonger transatlantic does not exist. That is also in the same spirit which will guide our cooperation. . At do we want to achieve we want to establish the annual copenhagen democracy summit and also make the event in denmark for leaders who care about the ,ealth of democracy and liberal international order. In this summit we have included students from the school at Denmark University and i hope you will all have been listening diligently even though we started early in your time zone. And with these objectives in mind, i am happy to begin this partnership and would turn to and inn for his thoughts conclusion to secretary albright. Thank you so much. Let me first say what an honor and pleasure it is to be with you and secretary albright and all of you at the summit. We are truly delighted to be announcing the partnership with the alliance of democracies today. We started this conversation what seems an age ago but was only earlier this year in denver. We are pleased and happy our students have been able to attend this summit early as it might be for them and to highlight the work of our great faculty. I hope many of you in the audience caught the session yesterday on ensuring womens rights during the pandemic that was moderated by professor marie school, from the beginning really, democracy and the Transatlantic Alliance has been core concerns of the school. It is in our dna, the life journey of joseph korbel, the find that founding dean and Madeleine Albrights father. Between fascism and communism to aware, colorado, made him that democracy is ultimately a necessary condition for addressing all other issues and that the United States has a role and responsibility to promote it. That is conviction at the Korbel School. There are of course many worrisome trends in the world being discussed at this summit and in the United States as well. This is also to my eye a hopeful moment. Thehe protests happening in United States and around the world, there is a stirring of democracy particularly among the younger generation. There is a great optimism in protest. It demands that we can make a difference. I would be remiss if i did not note today in the United States is juneteenth, the anniversary of the signing of the proclamation method grayson proclamation emancipation proclamation. I hope and believe it will be a day that will become a fixture on the american civic calendar. A day to remember and celebrate for sure but also for us to continue towards equality. This is an spacious auspicious moment to launch our partnership. We are combining the strength of the alliance of university of denver, collaborating on research, engaging students in this work, sponsoring events and hopefully soon hosting all of you at some point in denver. There is a lot of work ahead, a lot of challenges but we look forward to working with you and the alliance of democracies in this work. Thank you. Thank you. Now it is you, madeleine. Ms. Albright thank you. I have sorry we are not in copenhagen which was the original plan to spend time together. You and i met 10 years ago when we were doing a review of the nato alliance. I called you secretarygeneral. Truly a Perfect Alliance between your institution and the university of denver in so many different ways because there is no question, i consider myself feel myself they of euroatlantic relationship. Americans dont recognize the fertility of democracy, and we have to keep working on it. And there was Nothing Better to be a professor in a free country. He loved being at the university of denver and to be in colorado spend time with the young people and talk about diplomatic history and the importance of democracy and people participating in it. I think this is one of the truly great agreements that have been you and i have seen each other quite a lot in between, testified together in front of congress on the albums of authoritarianism. I know your dedication to democracy and your interests in having this relationship. I think it is great to have this relationship between the Korbel School and you. Fritz is a terrific person to pull it all together. I look forward to i look forward to having a chance to link these great organizations together and understand that democracy is under threat and it has to be understanding what the 21st century has brought and to understand the importance of relationships so thank you both for doing this. I think it is a great time in a very difficult moment to look forward and understand that there are structures that can make us functional and democratic in the 21st century. Thank you very much for those kind words. You will definitely be invited, madeleine. Foruld like to thank you and for blessing our new corporation. I look forward to working with you and with the school. Thank you. Session. Concludes this now, we will turn to our session on business and tech responsibility for democracy. Editorinchief of the danish magazine monday morn. In this connection, even more importantly, chairwoman of the danish management society, which executives from denmarks business community. Current secretary of state mike pompeo talks about challenges facing democracy, chinas role in the coronavirus pandemic, and their decision to extend National Security law over hong kong. Its a great pleasure for me to welcome our next speaker, the american secretary of state, mike pompeo. Good morning. I think it is morning in your time zone. Traveling,have been where you met a highranking chinese official. Listened to year, i your speech at the security , and ince in munich enjoyed your upbeat methods that the free world is winning. 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