Michigan democratic congresswoman, Debbie Dingell, joins us now. She serves on the Health Subcommittee of the commerce panel. And when the Task Force Members came to capitol hill to testify you focus your questions on that on Vaccine Development. Can you ask plain what it means to be in phase three can you explain what it means to be in phase three . Guest as you go through the development of any medicine, the vaccine is extremely important and it goes through different trials. We see what happens in a , frequently they try , and thene on animals a small human trial and a larger human trial. You want to see how effective it normally you have 70 to 80,000 people in the third phase and we are seeing this and there aredly 8000 and one trial and 30,000 in another. Its not as large a sample as you would like to see. For almostdr. Fauci 40 years. And they assured that they were going to make vaccines were safe. And yesterday they released a thatline for the safety they would use before they release it. And we are very anxious for this we get abecause before vaccine our lives will not be normal. Host the leading vaccine contenders, one from astrazeneca is in phase three. One from moderna is set to start facer trials this month. I want to focus on the information i came out and their guidance, outlining the conditions for approval of a covid19 vaccination at the wall street journal as the wall street journal points out, any vaccine has to be 50 more effective than a placebo in preventing the disease. Stephen hahn stressing that the fda would not approve any vaccine without Clinical Evidence that they are safe and effective. Are you ok with those guidelines and rules . I trust the doctors, i dont trust the politics involved in Vaccine Development and i think its important because we are all desperate, to get a vaccine. But we dont want something thats not safe. I am not an antiand i want to antivax clear an but after the swine flu shot i did get a case. So i would pay more attention to the development of flu shots and vaccines. You just want to make sure that it is as safe as possible and that enough people have been tested so that we know that they work and that not a lot of people are suffering from side effects. Host congresswoman Debbie Dingell is joining us and the phone lines are open if you want to join the conversation. For democrats 202 7488000. For republicans 202 7488001. For independents 202 7488002. The congresswoman is joining us from her office on capitol hill, though with a lovely background from michigan behind her in her screen as we continue these zoom interviews. Congresswoman, Nursing Homes in michigan are accounting for one in four covid19 related deaths and i know you are working on several pieces of legislation that would impact Nursing Homes, specifically what are they . Guest one of the things that im very worried about, longterm care is something that i care deeply about. I love my husband very much i love my husband very much and we were lucky to have five special years together. He needed intensive care and right after he passed his last vote. And i knew immediately how broken the longterm care structure is in this country. And how seniors really have to fight to be able to get medical care. Lucky, he was alert the , we livede he died together and there were not problems. [indiscernible] as a source of real contamination. People did not have ppe , in longterm care facilities people are living close to each other. Toy are in close proximity their care workers. I have Nursing Homes in my districts that were using garbage bags for gallons. People were not being test for hounds gowns. People were not being tested. I pay a fair wage, which is what , but manyall be doing people working in Nursing Homes work in multiple Nursing Homes and are cross contaminating those homes. So we are addressing a number of things. To try to let people to be able to stay in their home if they are able to and in Nursing Homes if they have access to tests and state we aren our also struggling with the issue of if someone has covid, where do they get released back to. Its become controversial, do we send them back to the longterm care facility . Are they still contagious . A couple to tell you of stories. At the beginning of this, i checked on a neighbor and she told me she cannot afford to get covid. She was not talking to anyone or , she felt thatr her life was not worth it and she would be left to die. People deserve to be treated with dignity and we need to figure this out. I got desperate phone calls from a nursing home in ann arbor that an older couple had developed a serious case of covid and we had people in Nursing Homes that could not find caregivers to take care of them. A number of bad and desperate situations and we cannot let that happen. Our seniors matter. They need to make sure that they know that they are valued. Guest congresswoman host congressman Debbie Dingell, we have aired several hearings in recent weeks, we are here to take your phone calls. Monroe is in clinton, maryland, and independent an independent. Caller heres my biggest fear and concern, how inequitable its going to be and the flaws. Lets say a brandnew model of a car came out, the first model in that first year always has issues. If brandnew electronics came out the First Release always has issues. Same thing with the drug industry. The First Release to the public will have issues and we know this. After your two or three, maybe the issues are resolved. Heres the problem. There are people like me, already at the federal level have been declared essential. We are going to have no choice but to take a vaccine that we dont even want to take, but because we have been declared essential workers frost to go back to work we will have to take that vaccine, where there are millions of all who have the ability to work from home, they will have the luxury of being able to wait to take that vaccine until its right. So i feel like a guinea pig here, when these vaccines come out. And i dont want that. Be would an essential worker able to opt out of being able to take this vaccine and still be able to go back to work . Host congresswoman . Guest im glad that you have raised that question. Ive not thought of that but im glad that you mention it. I am already worried about if i take this vaccine or do i not and mi invaccine danger of getting this again . I know and hospital settings they tell essential workers that they have to have the flu shot. I think we need to raise the that you have to accept the liability that these could that that people could get covid. One of the [indiscernible] i hope that this country realizes that we are dependent on a Civil Society on essential workers. We need to value essential workers, we need to know how important they are. They are the glue of our community and we need to appreciate them every day. I think we need to have a discussion. I have been thinking about what to people like me do, because vaxxer, but ii know something could happen. And if there are people who are essential workers but are afraid we need to have longer conversations about this. Maybe a hearing, and youve got me thinking. I am worried about the safety of these vaccines, thats why i asked the questions, and we have to think a lot of questions through. But i can promise you this, there will be a lot of people fighting to get that vaccine, impact. Ont want this in my state of michigan, 14 of our population of African Americans and 43 of the deaths of covid have happened in the African American community. We know the virus is having a great impact on black americans and we have to speak to these issues as we take a look at how these vaccines are done and we are worried about them being fair and equitably. Host gloria, out of florida, on the democratic line. Caller good morning. I would like to know why they are not using copper in hospitals . Host using copper for what . Caller for the coronavirus. Its known to kill the virus. Im not well versed on copper, congresswoman . Guest im not wellversed either. That the scientist in the medical community are studying everything that they think could potentially work, there are things that people have said will work that have not worked as for seen. We are seeing some drugs that , and we arefective pharmaceutical companies charging an exorbitant amount of money. Copper, iow about will go study it after this. And i will tell you that you need to be worried about some of se drugs that everybody that everybody says were going to be the absolute answer. I have people in my family that took the drug and have been in and out of the hospital three times for covid. Developing obligations and were on incubators and now are in Nursing Homes. Not all drugs are miracle drugs and its complicated. We have physicians from around the world studying this issue, some work, some arent. We will make very sure that we are getting information to protect patients and getting affordable medicine to people that work. Smithsonian magazine back on april 4, a story by jim morrison taking a look at coppers potential killing power when it comes to viruses. Perhaps thats what the viewer was referring to, one source out there, the smithsonian mag. Com. Indiana, in wabash, on the republican line. Caller good morning, thank you for taking my call. I tried to get in an hour before this, but when the person answered the phone, she said to ask the congresswoman. I was born and raised in michigan, i live in indiana now. I noticed that you talked about School Starting in the fall. The newspapers, everybody is talking about School Starting in the fall, and they have set dates for august 8. Im thinking and i wonder what the congresswoman thinks, maybe if they wait a month, until after labor day, which is still not fall, they will know a little bit more about how to protect these children, because we are learning something new every day. I would like her opinion on that. Im wondering why you say fall when its not fall yet. Thank you. I will get off and listen. Host thank you for the question and thank you for sticking with us and calling back. Congresswoman . Guest thank you martha. I think school is a complicated issue. I spend a lot of time talking about it. The government came out with its initial recommendations yesterday for who should be in school. In conversation with my local school superintendent, the county superintendent and the state superintendent. I love kids. I could play with kids all the time, im not allowed to be anywhere near them right now, but kindergartners and firstgraders, how can they wear that mask all day and maintain physical distance . The classrooms will have to be redesigned, with fewer children in the classrooms to keep them safe. My School Systems are looking at five to 6 million a month for ppe equipment. There will be extra people on school buses, because the School Bus Driver cannot drive and make sure that the kids can be apart part. They will either need to have school buses or staggered hours to clean the buses. They cant move the same number of people. How are you going to make sure that kids and restrooms or on brakes are doing what they have to do . Its a real challenge and everybody wants to keep our to educate ournd children. We are worried about the socialization of our children. And even children, babies, we are seeing the impact on them. Its not easy. Its a serious challenge. Teachers are worried about being safe area childcare has become a broader issue. People are afraid to go back in the classrooms. I think we have to work through the issues of education carefully and slowly. We passed the heroes act in the house a month ago to get more money to state and local. Overnments it is a very complicated issue. Host less than 10 minutes left with Debbie Dingell, taking her phone calls, and the numbers are as usual. For democrats 202 7488000. For republicans 202 7488001. For independents 202 7488002. Back to the independent line, mike, and harrisburg, pennsylvania. Caller hello. Is an ignorant Conspiracy Theory based on debunked research by a single doctor in england years ago that just hangs around and hangs around on the internet. I dont understand why politicians and doctors dont take a stand on this idiotic antivaccine situation. These people have never heard of the polio vaccine or the human stopsoma vaccine that nine different types of cancer or measles and mumps. Why cant you another people set the record straight on this idiotic antivaccine situation . Thank you for that question. I will be blunt. I will talk about my own human erience because i know when you look at what happened with measles, look at how measles are coming back because people are not immunizing their children against measles and they are putting other children in danger. They are putting pregnant women in danger. Vaccine as apolio child and i got the next generation vaccine that was developed. I unfortunately have the mumps and the measles because those two were more recent developments. The good of vaccines far outweigh the risks and we really need to understand. People were afraid of polio like what we are experiencing now. And look at how the world has been turned upside down. We are not socializing. We cannot go to work or we have physical and social isolation. Vaccines keep us from being in that situation. They make a difference. Im able to say that as a person who had a flu shot and had a i was paralyzed for a short period of time and couldnt lift my legs. Im not sure i want to go out and get the swine pollution shot again, get the swine shot again. I look at vaccines in them is it muniz asian probably much more closely. But vaccines and immunizations are real. If you dont want to live the way we are living now, you can go out and announce them but i will stand with you, mike, and say they make a difference and let us live our lives area lives. York, on theom new democratic line. Guest congresswoman caller congressman do you think that it is important to address the pandemic globally and do so in the budget . Host she was discussing more money in the International Affairs budget to fight the pandemic globally as a way to keep us safe in the u. S. Guest i dont agree with withdrawing from the World Health Organization and we are howg to have to figure out we ensure that everybody is able to get vaccinated in the world. Because if we dont it will keep spreading. Do this inneed to cooperation with world powers. But if we are really going to eliminate covid, which may or may not ever totally be possible but we will try to manage it as we have managed polio and other diseases like smallpox. We need to make sure that everybody is vaccinated. Bedford, maine, joe is an independent. Caller good morning representative, you said the last callers question. Let me ask you this way. Can you tell us how much you are getting paid per year . And you are sitting here on this tv show . Hundred 74,000 . 174,000 . 500,000, where you going next week . Are you taking the summer break while we approach 130,000 dead americans . And you are going on vacation . Host lets at the congresswoman talk about whats happening in the recess. Guest let me be really clear joe, i have a facebook posting every single morning on my facebook and you will see that i am not at home. Im on the 00 and phone from 5 30 until 8 00 every night. I have a great team working seven days a week because i have a lot of people that are scared to death. Ppe, atrying to find number of my constituents [indiscernible] there are students in other countries and im working on Higher Education in my School Systems, my teachers, my doctors, my nurses we get a call every week. I meet with mares on mondays and thursdays in my state representatives in my county commissioners, asking what do we need . Wheres the trouble . Im doing all of this work andar in virtual hearings im talking to my leadership regularly. I work seven days a week. My job is to try to help my constituents and they are worried. I have Testing Centers set up in my district so that we are testing 752,000 people week. I have machines for First Responders who have been dramatically impacted. I could go through each day and tell you what im doing. Thats my job. And quite friendly want to do that. These are the people i love. I hate where we are now. Me, you would know im a people person. I like talking to people. I want to know whats on their mind and what they need. I cannot stand not being able to be out with them. I will say the last two weeks, ive been to 17 community gatherings, marshes, visuals vigils, i have worn my mask. They call me mama dingle because im trying to make sure everybody is keeping their physical distance. We are at home working and im not stop. I know my work is not going to be done for a long time. I want the people in my district to feel safe and i want to keep them safe and i want to get them what they need, and right now is a scary time and i dont want them to have to worry about their mortgage payments, their risk payments, and what do we need to do so that if they are sick they can go to the doctor, what can we do about kids in childcare and staying together. Im working really hard. Host i should know that the dingle daily update is available on her website. Thank you, we appreciate your time this morning congresswoman. I will let you get to work on capitol hil announcer cspans washington journal. Every day we take your calls live on the air and the news of the day and we discuss policy issues that impact you. Coming up this morning, reports that russia was offering bounties to talibanlinked militants to kill u. S. Military personnel in afghanistan and democratic congresswoman talks about the federal response the the coronavirus pandemic. 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