We are honored and excited to come full circle tonight. And those that have appeared in wired the Technology Reporter and from cnbc and msnbc. We appreciate it. [inaudible] [applause]. With a congressional hearing. So i will not curse tonight. I will try not to. We should probably start off. Thank you for coming especially those of you who are standing. But yes thank you for coming this is nice. And the section dear to my heart about venture capitalist on twitter and this was is relevant and then venture capitalism. [laughter] thank you for your service. Do you hate yourself asked the therapist in berkeley . [laughter] that comes on strong for the intake session but then following venture capitalist on the microblogging platform the venture capitalists discussing the universal basic income and i cannot look away very concerned about the potential of the urban poor as the oceans temperatures took the added habitability that specifically the question if they are china would own it. And then to have the renaissance to do the work for the rest of us so we can focus on our arch. And then the rationale for new zealand i believe in the ai renaissance and poverty classes but they were automated out of a job. Sometimes they talk most days a talk ideas. Into those complex social problems that higher ed in cultural stagnation to talk about to generate more ideas and despite that feverish advocacy of open markets and deregulation they cannot be reply one relied upon for capitalism talk about the structural hypocrisy from the smart throne as if defending it was not grotesque. If you want to eliminate economic inequality the most effective way is to start your own company. Like the entrepreneur like the antiquity learn from the masters and learn from the eminent people in your generation and return home with the knowledge of the networks that you need. Other people can see them . [laughter] they were not above inspiration. Did you get my laugh track . [laughter] they were not bad inspiration sharing reading list to have followers stay humble travel and meditate and find your why. Never give up preaching the gospel of the 80 hour work week whenever they denigrated the idea with this determination for startup success i couldnt imagine making millions of dollars every year than choosing to spend my time stirring shipped on social media to get to feed their internet addiction. But the internet was good for anything transparency and action on an action theres no better way to know then the impact of identity politics or how that was going. Which members of the venture class with those you could not scale or those that perceive themselves as victims and to understand the deliberately amplified identities of Investment Strategies and those that i were helping to make ric rich. [applause] to be ambivalent. I dont know how many people have read in the audience but the beginning of your narrative with wideeyed approach toward publishing so i am just wondering what happens . From the beginning where you ready or did you was at as genuine as it seems how did you come into that quick. That is definitely a good description of the years 2012 working in publishing and realize people make money in their jobs and this was a revelation to me. [laughter] so for a long time yes i didnt believe in a long time i wanted to let those selfdelusion like a game of solitaire. I think it wasnt funny to me the way people speak like corporate hasnt been easy to me because it has to be otherwise it is depressing but i didnt think about writing about it or criticizing it gently i think i read the meanest part. [laughter] that venture capitalists dont get a break. But they can take it. We are openminded individuals just day structural position. Lot of the criticism that new yorkers are coming in and being critical. I am wondering if your criticism is unique or to apply this as you were in publishing before as part of the spinal tap commentary. Yes. [laughter] i think that this is inherently interesting that provides the staff literature i dont know if i necessarily would have written a book about Book Publishing many have done that before. But. For just going through what thats like. That there is no future not it is different in ways that are more economic but they each have the said of internal rules and norms and the social relationships you need to have to make those conditions to be a person who works in business. Like twitter. May be expect your career can be determined who you have dinner with on a thursday. [laughter] but to enter on what an awesome having dinner alone on twitter. [laughter] so yeah i think you could probably steer the industry i just remember that the reason i wrote the Book Publishing is because i felt there had to be firstperson narratives about this particular era that had a similar point of women sorry people keep asking me things like you are a woman. [laughter] but something that wasnt even close to that or still have them feel good. There is a lot of literature that reflect bad experience and also Book Publishing and thats in material. My next book is focused on the incident. [laughter] so take Book Publishing so initially but that is what im wondering but wondering if. But if you have a certain skill set from what you are trying to do or accomplish to make the feeling of being on the mission oriented. But initially for that library for a monthly fee so i went out that this company had 3 million. [laughter] is so this is part of the industry and how it will be. And to see a future for myself. But then you need money for the next book the venture capitalists. So i figured i would be the book expert. And then to know what the backend is i am a reader you need someone like me on staff. And thats that. [laughter] im just wondering was a moment where you are inspired and you get into it for whatever, to pick the thing that a lot of folks in new york or journalism or whatever has decided on a mission and was mission there for you in the beginning . Yeah, i was not a journalist at any point until last year. And so that skepticism, i was not reading a lot about the Tech Industry, i didnt know you had cynical snark from alleyway or business, you will believe with this young billionaire wears on sundays. [laughter] and its a same thing he wears every day. 17 of the same outfits. We have not talked a lot about it but coming from the industry where public there was no momentum everything was a dead end to be a 20 Person Company into matter and to feel useful and not only was i useful but i was contributing in a way that kept the momentum going and the Customer Support. In the geniuses here to build infrastructure. I was less about the mission of the company then the feeling of working on the small group of people away really liked and it seems probable that you have this organization of 20 people run by 24 or 25yearold, it just kept Getting Better and better anyway, i think i was down for that momentum if not this is going to make the world a better place. Analytics is fascinating and i personally find this product interesting and can sort of justify it as a bachelors degree from six years ago. But i dont think i was over like Data Collection storage analysis, unbeknownst to the user, god knows what goes, fascinating by making the world better but this is fundamentally interesting. And if this is education, i think this is an industry that emphasizes the individual and so im not individually quite useful and great in a way that was tied to the collective effort but also less distracting and perhaps Data Collection is a broader economy, we were not having this conversation. You ever get into the large larger no, it is working for your customer and help it is optimize your making money and they make money when you make money, whatever it does not matter. But the feedback, the thing that you helped make even though i did not make it im just helping people use it, the thing youre participating in is helping us make money. Or you have no problem with the software, let me take how to fix it, have you ever had knowledge about something its amazing. [laughter] i can fix your problem, ive never fixed anyones problem. [laughter] in any way. Theres a lot of intoxicating and cultural stuff. [laughter] the hierarchy of Customer Support because pms are very interesting and i always wonder how does not become eventually we can feel good about your position of the company, was that ever underscored over time, i was here that its an image culture and we want to go there or they dont value x amount and im wondering if i create overtime. When someone says ivan heavy and and he wants to go there. For soft skills, hard skills, often soft skills are being told youre not technical or no enouh or show work credentials or someone else in your role, i think often the economy is used certain inequities or biased and i think its a gender as racial as cicad economy, the engineerig skills are more valuable, live to do clearly with the market but having been in the position of hiring people for soft skill jobs or nontechnical jobs is incredibly hard. And potentially harder for certain things like to find someone who can write fluently about data was harder than finding for engineers to find a midlevel engineer. I see both sides of that equation but i think that engineering skills are the primary focus, a lot of the Company Perks are oriented towards hiring those employees. Obviously you cannot have a product without it. But without those people it does lead to the internal hierarchy that can leave a lot of people feeling like secondclass citizens. So i mention race je and gender because thats into the hierarchy. And it can influence internally. I think thats exactly what im getting at. And im wondering and appreciate you laying that out. I think that is now coming a little bit more right now in the question around what should be the most prized Position Company and whos going to be hired and you tell me, fundamental assumption thats being asked the question in the wake of whatever just questioning. I think what is concerning to me is a completion of american capitalism. And amplified in the valley, and your personal work is directly correlated contribution or value in the marketplace. And being an engineer and a certain mindset or in a certain value system. It has a sort of weird at least to a certain hierarchy and mindset that is very oriented toward the bottom line or something free and an approach in life to leadership and organization. I think the leadership thing so we get past and we go to your neck start up and you reference but not exactly no but when do we get to the second ceo who is challenging or interesting sort of like i dont know exactly what i described but it seems like a lot of the issues that one might have for a leader here, im just wondering problems in leadership how did you proceed the sky . It is in the book mike. [laughter] the ceo of the company that i work for in San Francisco was 24 when i joined the company, i was 25. Its a worldly experience and the company had been through i think its hard to get to do run a company full of adult many who have dependents or debts or whatever i do not envy anyone in opposition or who self select for that position if youre lucky. But i have a lot of sympathy for someone who is growing up at the same time they are learning i think the reason i dont know executives, there are few of them in the behavior that i saw institutionally as well as individually was more of a result of a structural position than individual failure. I realize that is exculpatory narrative and exculpatory framework. So if you had not read the book she does not name any companies or people but theres obvious. Is not to be coy or to offer a puzzle for people to solve may be as good its good. A common leadership style has more to do with the incentive of the Business Models and industry and let me illustrate this, i told the antidote that i was reading. I feel like im walking onto these readings with my own book and im an American Girl doll. [laughter] hearing with my book until im antidote. [laughter] i think it was in new york someone came up to me and they mentioned in which they talk about how early members of my team were brought into a Conference Room in my manager asked us who are the five smartest people that you know. Right there names down and we all did this, and then he said look at your list, why dont they work here. [inaudible] [laughter] and i was like why would they work here, theres so many other useful things to do in the world. Why would my friends who are in graduate school they probably would make their way but why would these people who are smart and talented and interested in other things why should they work at the analytics company. Im here because i dont know my purpose and im trying to figure that out while making a salary and having Health Insurance. Its the idea that they should work here because it has economic value. Anyway you think thats endemic to how these companies work. This is the antidote that im telling. Sorry. [laughter] its a very long story. Im behaving as we should have a one line answer for everything. So the woman came up after this event and the same thing happened in my company. And it wasnt the first time i heard it, another woman had texted me too say this is like deja vu, i cant believe this happened they must have read it on the blog post. Because i was too was pulled into a room and asked to write down the names of the people that i know at a totally Different Company, ceo is probably not friends. I feel like theres this thing that happened with what had to do with intellectual culture which i would call in tight antiintellectual and people read business advice, they send you a ton of money and a ton of accountability to their investors inattentive responsible due to their employees. And theyre trying to figure out how they read and they read a post how you can scale hiring and get really good people for your core team that will set the tone for the rest of your company, corral your employees and push them to recruit them and say will pay you 5,008,0000 tried so hard to recruit people without the smartest people that i knew. Anyway it was endemic and i think the industry has values and maybe youve seen this in your excellent book investigation of uber. It is called super pump by mike isaac available at this book store. He will be signing after words. I think the Company Cultures or by the Business Model in the business incentive of an venturecapital so you have prioritization of speed and skill in the industry that has been incubating if you will for 25 years, 30, 40 years. 50 years . And you get this weird cultural product that does not value expertise values that we need over consideration and research and has an interrogative i dont know what im talking about im so sorry. Im just going for. I dont remember actually. Cspan. You should just wave hi. Its fair to say im wondering if there are parts of your experience that actually appreciated, journalist in the valley now are typically handed a lot of tech folks that think tech is doing good for the world in a positive thing. Even questioning that is kind of dangerous sometimes. I guess im wondering for the benefit of the doubt if there are parts of the culture that you took away from her time in prep. There is. This is the heart of the book and i think there was a lot that i appreciated about working there, i dont know if in my 30s i would go back and appreciate the same things to be totally honest. I happen to be the right age and the right your needs to be an ideal employee in a certain way. In my 20s. Im 32. In my 20s having mentor not knowing anyone from a different city trying to find meaning, i think what i admire and appreciate it was the commodity and the commitment to a common project, a collective project if you will, i liked that people seem to have an autonomy for a little while and i think thats part of the problem people having a ptolemy who dont necessarily have the authority to have the a ptolemy or should not necessarily but there seem to be some potential even people with the autonomy replicates how structures that exist externally and for years. Initially that was i think, theres one more thing that i actually did enjoy and appreciate the culture. I think its very earnest someone who is constantly going back and forth between detached marker in deep painful earnestness. [laughter] i dont know if you can relate. They might be wrong but i generally believe people in texas and for doing good for the world, i believe that they believe it and they trust them when they say it. I think whats missing, the problems are systemic and i dont think there rooted in the individual also id be curious what do you think on uber and travis. [laughter] but i do wonder, i dont even actually know for legally allowed to answer this question you can move to the next one if you want to but do you feel like someone ive heard people say uber could not exist if it did not have a crazy culture, my question should exist . And obviously that culture should not exist and if you dont have a culture and communism does not happen maybe that is fine. [inaudible] thats where youre going with this. [laughter] you see a structural explanation for his behavior one that is related to the incentive or of the industry that could potentially be forgiving of Something Like that. I think your getting at the exact right thing. I think the whole if you boil down how this works, youre getting investment in your company and you have to hit the next level whether users or revenue or something and for most companies it can get desperate and you have to start doing things that you might not of been legal. [laughter] and i dont know think its baked into how this works but i also think there is justification. Like the people who already own space, the incumbents, protected in ways that are not fair and believe, im not saying this is wrong, you can believe in your own reasons for doing a lot of this stuff. To go back on my own argument i think that people are in the same structural position and not hassles. Do you have to be a jerk to do well in the industry, depending on who the ceo is. Right. Seems fair to answer that. I was thinking about a moment that were in the phenomenon of something the tech brings about as bad. When would somebody call a trough of disillusionment. Were all eating from the trough of disillusionment. [laughter] you can wallow in the gnarly. For a long time and im wondering, we as a reporter, im wondering what the next part is, are we going to say tech is bad for very long period of time, is that what were saying or what where are we going. Tell me the future. This is great leverage for me in my future career as a futurist. [laughter] if i went to work for google and told them i was the new i think a gentler narrative for me would not be that tech is bad but tech is boring and unimaginative. [laughter] and what i mean by that is there can be so much more, forgive me all the tools are in place for much more interesting vibrate creative industry. More exploratory, more environmental. The problems were attacking are not big enough. Have you not heard the criticism. Some companies are bad and there doing bad things but i guess i feel like theres so much we have not tried, the industry is still young and i dont know, its hard to say this industry because its so rooted in the past and i dont want estates exceptional in any way. But you gotta work with what you got, we have not tried with respect join tingling some of the problems we found herself them which are related to privatization, commodification, Data Collection, centralization, the reliance on networks, when something happens when everything is hyper customized, the absorption with scale that leads to a product like spotify that wipes out. [inaudible] is everything okay. If there was an emergency everyone would want to know. Im sorry. [laughter] i dont know i dont know what comes next, i feel like will have to shift the structural incentive. Until that changes we will have company for whom it is to be a monopoly. I dont feel like that society is best and i also feel that its really unimaginative, i feel like theres a lot that is cynical and not have to do with this baked in spirit of circumvention and im thinking of i dont mean to pick this out, its a friend of mine bu but sorry im choosing to pass they are hugely useful as someone who is constantly running late. Id prefer to take Public Transportation but do these products circumvent participation or civic institution, do they augment them like ridership. Whatever. In the other thing, the one particular that has marketed as an alternative to a College Degree and part of that rationale, you can get a job really quickly that page extremely well, and income jump respectable but also way to avoid student debt. So for me is my nightmare to rethink i have an english degree i do not have an english degree. Its like a chip on my shoulder. The crisis here that we make it so hard to live that you need to orient your entire life from your teenage years from having education to get your job, thats a social failure and thats not what education should be necessarily in a functional and rich society. I think also you have the student debt crisis, totally judgment that you would want to a person would want to launch themselves into a different career track to pay off debt and avoid debt but again the startup model is to circumvent social institution and prioritize what should in a functional society be a public service. Whether thats education or transportation. This is just my pitch story but i do think things have to change for that business to be less exciting are not be the only option. Its hard because salaries will always be way bigger when youre outside of the existing but be, its part of the dissolution of people dont want to go into the Public Sector or the income that companies it stuck with what it is maybe theyre not creating something new and discontent are being the status quo. I feel like whats exciting is the idea that you can break out. I dont know. He worked on a newspaper. [laughter] and i work at the magazine sort of. [laughter] clearly this is not infiltrated. [laughter] there are certain things that are for a reason and im not making that up or trying to defend the sporadic dmv website. [laughter] where you like did they get meaningful did they not heard its like russian rely intern relapse. As prophecies, something that builds over time a collective effort that is reliant im just thinking to earlier question tech versus publishing, this is an example used before and i feel like im becoming a windup doll but one that is dying. [laughter] its something you can continually change you push your product whatever, you iterate and ship a patch or fix or whatever, im not in the industry anymore, i speak like an idiot. But you actually when your book is done is done. Theres a reason it takes a long and theres a reason they have to copy editors go through and you send it to friends and have your editor and multiple eyes on the products and when its done thats sent to the world, you dont want to rush or expedite certain things for the sake of quality. So im going with this, i guess its my figures defense of the book in a bookstore. [laughter] but i do think the products and the values of the industry and our culture does not necessarily value smallscale or small businesses. Look at big cities. Look at your cities. But look around you know what i mean. Its endemic, its not just intact, tech is an invocation of social moment. I would like to get a few questions and and maybe start thinking of a few while i ask if you lost ones. I have a few friends of one of me too ask a few questions. [laughter] did you see my friends . [laughter] were you weary of why are all tech people [inaudible] not all tech people. [laughter] i spent too much time on the internet. I have a section in the book about adm. When i need to stay awake and cannot drink any more caffeine or if i need to get pumped i wrote my book on adm and you can tell the sections that i wrote when i was really blasting. [laughter] literally motivating. I think that edm, i think theres an energy, i think he can be made quickly, its music the highspeed, im not a music journalist. Can we asked someone in the audience unloved to ask. Kyle warren. [laughter] is very expensive and really hard to run a practice in the city imagine getting a drum set much easier to make music on a computer if you live in the city i feel like thats happening all over but edm exploded in 2008 and into the 2000 and that coincides with census. I dont know, theres an amazing profile i believe from jessica, i could be wrong, im probably wrong. New members by, about a vici. [laughter] im never said that outlaw out. It explains the culture of somebody whos never been to a concert in the heart cannot withstand the drugs at the concert. Anyway, i recommend reading. [laughter] another question from a friend, what would it pay to get tech ceos to question the solutions and philosophies that under god the value that tech will be the solution to the worlds problems. I think about it a lot and think about mark sick birds the problems ozuckerberg, theproble. Mike hunter Mark Zuckerberg has solutions to the problems he created. Even if i dont beat up on mark, i think the largest thing is is a problems of more of what we were doing in the underwater solutiounderlyingassumption youl change or do you think thats the direction we are going. I dont know, if i knew what could change ceos minds id be so wealthy. I would not be here id be rolling in money. I think in facebooks defense unprecedented problems to deal with. I think the first question, lets assume facebook exist and Mike Zuckerberg will continue to lead the company, what this means for facebook to responsibly deal with it. For me just because of my perspective to be a question about content moderation and speed. Just because you can upload a video instantaneously does not mean you should be able to. Continuing to daughter user generated content. What would it mean if you do content moderators fulltime staff with fulltime benefits with Mental Health benefits if necessary if you pay them a living salary and invest in research to the repercussion of this sort of work, what would it mean to have experts in all of your regional experts for all the places where facebook exist. Whatever. If you are taking the steps, i dont have a diagnosis for facebook, i made it up. For facebook to invest in the solution to itself would be a collapse to facebook, facebook for the consumer, forget about the business side to disclose what was participating to give an option for Data Retention of who data shared with, i suspect a lot of people would not care and i suspect a lot of people would care and this could lead to the erosion of facebook agribusiness. You would probably get a nice social platform where people post about politics and no one cared. I think it would mean a functional entity. I think in terms of change in the world and the mindset the question that comes with outs, for whom and to what in and what cost. Three questions. But i think theres no incentive for people to behave differently, no incentive for more exact berg to say it be great if we spent all of our money on making our contractors for time hires. And the question becomes, what is a lovers that exist and i think during credibly animal, regulations with same assume we have not tried then you have the collective leverage of people who i think we dont want to work on something or we want to push for whatever policy, obviously they want their workers to organize and anyway but then that becomes a question, what are the reasons a person would be scared organize and maybe thats immigration, visa or Health Insurance or facebook paying them fat salaries. Whatever. I think these are bigger questions than any company or industry. [inaudible] tell your friend i have annoyed you. Sorry. Does anyone have any questions. Id love to hear what you all are thinking about. You had many songs from this book,. [inaudible question] did he create a bridge until story of the people there and as anybody reached out to you in a way that you understand and their views that you are not expecting . My people that i worked with were people in general . In general. A lot of people have reached out and that has been very interesting and exciting especially for the people who worked in the industry. I think the book because its observation and personal, ive heard from people nothing that would surprise me im just surprised i think whenever you write about something people have a lot of opinions about you will get people say this is not political enough or to political, theres too much personal story, not enough personal story. I think the thing that surprises me is when people reach out and say the habit the exact same situation but a Different Company in a totally different year. That to me is obviously selfserving and underscores my point their systemic issues. But i still remain surprised because its a personal book. You sort of want to believe that these things only happen to you and it can be devastating. Who else . Im on the systemic team, a big part of the book which output halfway through, youth and experience and how that plays into stuff not going well. Im just curious and previews companies in areas you worked your way up to get to the top do you think theyre involved in young people being in charge of a company or entity are they just batted tech or is that restitution failure . Thats a question. Like could young people lead a political . [laughter] i dont think age has much to do with it. I think it has more to do with the value attached to that. I think technology was the point is to render itself obsolete in many cases. Many people are excited about youth because it correlates with the newest thing but i think the industry also has an historical slant that if you were working politics or another industry you would probably want to do the research and grounded in tradition, tech puts up for different reasons, antiinstitutional i think that the youth, people who can behave in certain ways who are 18 who are in distinguished, we all know a millennial who ask a baby boomer. But i think that people respond to their environment in a lot of ways so its complicated i dont think theres a flaw answer. Any tech that accelerates and amplifies for sure but that has more to do with the business side. Thats my guess. Can you talk about the time between and what changed with your approach to writing in the story itself or just the world in general . The book comes out of an essay. That is like a book review in more authenticity and antidote is what i wrote to entertain my friend dana. When it came out i really loved writing them but didnt have a bigger project or had not taken notes and had not approached my work life as object of liberating anyway. It was like this is my work life and maybe one day ill write a book of short stories. So i got a lot more attention than i thought it would and its very surprising that a lot of people in the tech credit. The email from people and taxing your articulated to enter the most unsettling. I sort of figured id write about in ten or 20 years it was a running joke with friends in publishing like youre gonna write a novel about him. And im like no its probably not word worthy of an novel. I put on the back burner and starting book reviews in writing about the Tech Industry, not in a critical way but if reflecting on the news. After the 2016 election i had a feeling what i had been experiencing was going to change, id been operating under the assumption that this is what tech wasnt it would continue forever and people would be there in the same values and this was inevitable forever moment. Super articulate. Then after the election it felt that things are going to change and something had ended and felt more urgent to write about. Because it seemed i felt like i cannot take for granted what was there and i think my own feeling about the industry started to shift and it coincided with my feelings that my job was shifting and i was doing content moderation and content policy when rightwing materials were surfacing like far right wing. And i felt like the game was over for me. I probably shouldve gone to law school. It started to feel like ih doubt of my particular situation and when i looked around and started to think where do i go with this, whats a trajectory for someone like me, i had trouble feeling good about my options and is not that they were not attainable, i think i couldve done anything, not to be too arrogant but this is an industry if you believe and try and our white woman with a College Degree with the university you are rewarded for nothing. My personal feelings with the political conversation shifted and fell urgent and away i did not anticipate. [inaudible question] the other two based on real facts and real people. What were the other two books. Sophia and savage news they both ascended into a novel. It even came up. It was a thought, this is a litigious industry there were people that brought up the wealth of power, and they really dont like criticism and are not used to it either. I thought about writing in the novel but my general feeling was nothings happened to me here that i participated in that if i wrote a fiction no one would believe me and i think coming from a woman in a tech position that people would the book is documentation. Just saying how things are and how they speak could be misread as sapphire, i feel strongly that is not on me. [laughter] so nonfiction felt like to move and i wanted it to be a personal story, i did not want it to be a reported piece. Knowing my own strength and staining my only that type of thing. But yeah. We should do maybe two more,. Ive seen so many podcasts im just ready to talk for an hour. Keep going. A lot of those books are really personal and im kinda curious as youre recalling these stories what were some of the emotions, were you angry, you remember them were you sad or happy or nes. Its a good question. I would email my friends about my life in my 20s, this thing happen with this person that i worked with what do you think this means should i be worried, should i be excited, this conversation happened over three drinks, and my about to become an executive. [laughter] so reading emails was hard because i felt like i have why write long emails is like reading a diary. And i felt like i was reading a record of my own optimism and excitement and enthusiasm for the industry in increasingly reading my disillusionment and frustration and anger. I think especially writing the book in 2017, 2018 is very angry about things that were happening in the world, industry with friends of mine and the book is from 2012 2016 and that was hard because i knew i was so close i had to try to be attached but the detachment was the most honest for the longterm that the anger clarifies into some other position that would probably take a while for me too understand. So for an inside position, i guess i feel frustration with the past version of myself for buying so hard and wanting the wrong things and i dont know, i think thats probably anyone who writes personally that does research on themselves, yet to treat it like a research project. And will say it wasnt until i introduced former colleagues that he got really mad and thats because of who i am individually im a cowardly person. Even in this conversation ive been protecting people who dont earn it and have a urgent and what they do the same for me, not that has to be reciprocal but a sticker for people in other ways that havent proven any evidence that they deserve it. But talking to other people about shared experiences and their experiences. These are places i spent time with but i hope at some point my hope is in my journalistic work those are not necessarily the specific stories but the thing i can highlight as a journalist but i think that generally it was more sorting through emotional of being in my 20s. [laughter] lets get one last one. If we could. Im wondering if you find more meaning in your work now as a journalist then you didnt tech and if so why . Thats a really good question. I do, i think i dont want to say its not journalism is a more meaningful career than working in tech and beta project manager. I think for me i found work that feels like something that makes sense for me, thats interesting and exciting and a lot of what was exciting in the first place about the Tech Industry that may be interested in being and staying as an employee being in the play and staying in the industry, that is really interesting to me and i found a better way to engage which is writing about it, i think its like staying your own lane kind of thing. This is where i potentially most useful and i hope and maybe not meaningful but i dont think there is empirical value to one or the other. But i dont know, thats a personal question. You ever wish you are project manager on google . I think i would be a bad one. [laughter] probably. No offense but. I feel very lucky to have a place to make sense right now. I dont want to take it for granted. Everyone please give a bigger round of applause. Caugh[applause] she will be signing books, i dont know where the desk is. But thank you for coming. Thank you hello there. Guess who i am. [laughter] if i have to give you an introduction about tara
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