Good evening. Im with red sea ventures ask sirius and siriusxm satellite video, the folks that put together crime stories with nancy grace. It is a great honor to be your moderator for tonights program. First of all, on behalf of the marcus jcc and the national jcc literary consortium, im pleased to welcome you to this special book festival event featuring awardwinning legal journalist and New York Times best selling author nancy e grace. Nancy and i are going to be discussing her practical and invaluable book, dont be a victim fighting back against americas crime wave. Thats just ahead. Now, folks, this is a lifesaving book that empowers you to stay safe in the face of daily dangers. Its packed with practical add vice, priceless prevention tips and with christmas and honda just hanukkah just around the corner, or youll want to make sure you buy copies for everyone on your list, everyone that you care about. To purchase nancys book, please check your local jccs web sites for their independent booksellers. The book also available from the official bookseller of the mjcca and the national jcc consortium a cappella books. I know youre going to have a lot of questions for nancy, so please use the q a feature at the bottom of your screen as well try to read as many of them as possible a little bit later in the hour. We respectfully request that you please dont put your questions in the chat because, well, i wont be looking there, i dont even know how to look there. So now that we dont waste a single minute, lets get tonights event rolling with a little bit about our special guest. Nancy grace an awardwinning legal journalist, victims rights advocate and now and four times over New York Times best selling author of four books. She hosts the daily crime stories with nancy grace on sur yous xm siriusxm and appears regularly on abcs 20 20 and nightline as well as daily mail tv. Thats just the opportunity of the iceberg. Well be talking about some of her other tv projects a little bit later as well. Shes the founder and publisher of crime online. Com, a digital platform that investigates breaking crime news, highlighting missing people, trying to help solve unsolved homicides, a lot of information these days on dna and how its its used to solve crimes. And unless youve been living under a proverbial rock for the past couple of decades, youre also well aware that nancy was the force behind hlns toprated program for many years, nancy grace. Please, if you will, welcome our very special guest and a person im proud to call a colleague and friend, nancy grace. Hi, john. Thank you so much, everyone, for ine suiting me. This is a big thrill for me, thank you. Were going to have a lot of fun. Nancy, i want to make certain that we do leave plenty of time to discuss this amazing book, but i feel we need to lay some groundwork, sort of set the scene. One thing ive learned about you during our three years working together that you like to tell a story the way i do, chronologically. Thats one of the many philosophies that we share. So i would love it if you could take us back, talk us down, first, to take us down, first, to middle georgia and back to your growingup years. Its really ironic that you landed in a career centered around crime, because thats a word you really didnt hear very often, if at all, when you were growing up. You know, john, youre right. I grew up in unincorporated [inaudible] on a red dirt road. The book mobile from the library would come out to serve the needy children and park directly in front of our house. And i loved the book mobile. Not only could i read it would come mostly in the summer all day, but it had airconditioning, can and i knew nothing about aircondition [laughter] but i thought it was just wonderful. That was worth the price of admission. Directly in the front of our house. So we would go out and get to bring books, and theyd come by, you know, maybe two or three weeks later, wed return all those and get new ones. I grew up as far as the eye could see, john, there were pine trees and soybean fields. One of my favorite things to do was to go to a fast Running Stream where somebody tied a rope to a tree limb, and youd run as fast as you could holding on, swing out way over the water. And if you were any good at all i guess it was natural instinct youd start running the moment you came back [laughter] so thats how i grew up. We could ride our bikes or play until it got dark, and i would come home to the church bells in the steeple singing god will take care of you. We didnt know about a world of hate and crime, john. I didnt know anything about it. I was studying shakespearean literature [inaudible] and just before my wedding to my fiance, he was murdered. And he was shot five times in the neck, the face and the head, and his world ended. My world exploded. His family was thrown into grief , and it was such a dark time for me. I really cant, dont have the words to describe it. But i didnt want to live at all. I lost town to about 89 pounds down to about 89 pounds. I couldnt eat. My mother had to stop the clocks in our home because i couldnt stand the ticking. When i went back to school finally, they let me back in, my undergrad at mercer, i had to go, going back to law school to help other crime victims, and that is what i did. Because up until that point, you were headed toward teaching literature, specifically shakespeare. Yes, thats really all i wanted to do. Im adjusting my screen as we talk. We did not see zoom or anything like it in law school. If you ever see any knee, please know thats what happened. [laughter] of course, you never, ever get over Something Like you experienced with the loss of keith. However, when you did begin to slowly sort of assess what was next in our life, how did you start on the path that eventually brought you to atlanta . Well, as i said, i dropped out of school, and i never had flown on a plane before. My parents sent me to live with my sister in the philadelphia. She at the time was a professor at the wharton school, teaching there. I stayed with her, and that was really when it hit me. I saw all the students going back to school and crowding into the bookstore there at wharton, and i felt that i would go back and try to get into law school. Once i got through undergrad [laughter] with i my shakespearean literature degree, i wanted to go, i got to law school. I had one recommendation to get into law school, my sunday schoolteacher. Really . That was i didnt even know what i was doing. I mean, for petes sake, when i got into undergrad, i filled out my application with a pencil. I didnt know anything, okay . [laughter] even to write with a black pen or type it. Well, at least you could change your mind with a pencil. Dont discount ms. Jeanette johnson, who was my recommendation, okay . She [inaudible] and thats where i first heard the word hypocrisy. And not liking other birds because they had different colored feathers. Her letter, i think, singlehandedly got me into law school. And, by the way, im reading bird life to my children every night are you really . Yes, i am. But i got into law school, and at first i cant get to the d. A. s office because i had no experience. So i was a clerk to a federal judge. Then i worked in the antitrust and Consumer Protection division of the federal trade commission. I finally made it in, finally made it in. I applied in philadelphia and atlanta and one of the boroughs in new york. I got into atlanta first, and thats where i went. I wanted somewhere with a very high level of crime. I only wanted to practice fighting violent crime. I was not interested in making a lot of money at a private law firm. I didnt care about billable hours, i did not want to chase ambulances. All i wanted and want to put the bad guys behind bars. And, you know, it worked for the next ten years in inner city atlanta, thats all i did. I had the good fortune, john, of having the single oldest trial judge in Fulton County, i was in his courtroom, luther albertson. Why was that such a blessing . Because he was so old, he wasnt part of the mandatory retirement act. Oh. [laughter] this is how it worked to my benefit, okay, at the time. Hell bent on proving he was fit to be on the bench, so he would keep the lowest jail count in the courthouse. That means you have the fewest [inaudible] you wanted to keep the lowest jail count. In other words, the least number of people in jail waiting for you, the judge, to resolve their case. If you had a high jail count, you were shunned. It means you were lazy, you werent trying a case, pleading cases. We kept the lowest jail count which means i was on trial every other week. Very often id have three trials going at once. Id start off with my most serious one, a homicide. Once i tried that case, that your would go out, the next panel would come in. Typically a less complicated case, like a robbery, lets just pretend. Once that jury came out, id do a [inaudible] so i would have multiple juries going at the same time. Thats how i tried so many cases, thanks to judge albertson. Hed always say lets keep the lights on in the courthouse, ms. Grace. And we did. Do you remember the first time that you came face to face with a really serious crime, one that just took your breath away after your experience with keith but while you were there in atlanta . Do you remember the first time that you were just really blown back by a crime . Oh, john, there were so many. I mean, i remember the first time i ever walked into the courtroom. It wasnt until i was a witness in keiths murder trial. And i did not see the murder, but he had been at our home, me and my parents, before he left for work that monday morning back if athens. He was working on a construction crew in the summer and about to finish his geology degree, and he left at lunchtime to go get everyone a soft drink. When he came back, it was a remote site, john. A guy that had been fired i think before keith came on to work that summer was waiting and just unloaded at the company truck. Thats how he was killed. When i went in the courtroom, i remember testifying. Everything was so quiet, but i could hear my boots on the floor. It was like a marble floor. And i walked by the states table, john, and i saw for the first time keiths bloody denim shirt that he had been wearing that morning when he left our home. And i kept walking, and i passed the defendants table, and i met the defendants eyes, and he immediately looked down. And i didnt even realize what they were, and the lawyers looked down. They couldnt even look at me. And i turned and walked out of the courtroom. That was the first time id ever been in a courthouse even. Oh, the cases sometimes, john, theyre so distinct in my mind. I remember prosecuting molestation cases with children as young as 3 and 5 where the mother would side with the boyfriend or the husband. It always happened that way. Horrible abuse on children. Murders over a 5 drug debt. I remember miss leola, the mother of her son was murdered over a drug debt. She was the finest lady. I remember going to her home, and she had this beautiful living room. Everything was white, white carpet, white sofa, white everything. And she had it covered in plastic. And i went and i sat down [laughter] and she became one of my dearest friends, god rest her soul. And i remember trying that case, and when she wanted to it in the courtroom, and i remember when i put the medical examiner on the stand and he was describing her son dying, i looked back because id normally send the family out. She just kept knitting. And she looked at me and she nodded, and she just looked down and kept knitting. When i was giving that closing statement, i looked over at her, she was knitting. And she smiled at me and he nodded. And i kept going. She nodded. There was so many cases. One, no one case is more important than the next. When did tv come into the picture . [laughter] oh, thats a funny story. How did this happen . Oh, i remember. Exactly. So every once in a while wed get what we we called a Silk Stocking defense lawyer, okay . The that means they made money. And typically this was a guy from smalling, which is the biggest spaulding, which was the biggest law firm in the city of atlanta, all across the country. And i remember working the calendar. 150 new felonies, and in comes [inaudible] you can tell because the suits are really nice and tailored and really fancy italian shoes and not a regular, not one of the usual courthouse hacks. And he came out and he said im fred from king and spaulding, and im representing so and so. Im, like, youre from king and spaulding, and youre representing a killer . I looked down, and it was resentencing of a case that was tried a long time a ago, and he had it pro bono. Some judge had pushed it off on king and spaulding, and they had to deal with it. [laughter] we handled the case. It had been trued years before and tried years before and had been through the appellate system, and he invited me for a christmas party. Well, i dont usually fraternize with defense attorneys, but i went to the christmas party. And while i was there, i met a producer from cnn. And somebody said you should have nancy on, she tries cases all the time. I didnt really put much stock in it, but sure enough, i ended up guesting on some afternoon show and would race, literally run in heels back to the courthouse. Thats how it started. Then court tv found out about one of my cases. Oh, john, it was a serial rape case. Finish and they said do you mind if we have cameras in the courtroom, and i said hell no you know, i [inaudible] i said these ladies dont want to be on tv. Well, one of them was standing, you know, 10 or 12 feet away from me, and she said, wait a minute. We didnt do anything wrong. Were not ashamed. Hes the one that should be ashamed. Well do it. And im like, oh, okay, excuse me. Well do it. They covered that and then a murder case. I was totally oblivious of the camera. It caught me hitching up by my pantyhose several times. Thats not pretty, okay . [laughter] but thats how it happened. And then one day i was invited to sit on a panel of socalled experts which means out of town lawyers in new york, and i had a funny feeling when i got the invitation. And i went, you know what . Im going to go. And i went, and i fortuitously sat between the late, great Johnnie Cochran and an excellent trial lawyer straight off the William Kennedy smith debacle, roy black. We got in a huge fight, and they said, hey, you want to do a he said she said show . Im like, no, ive got a sere ideal rape serial rape case ive got to try next week, another one. Then my elected district attorney, who was like a grandfather to me, john, retired. And i called and went, hey, you know that job . Ill take it. And i moved to new york with two boxes of clothes, a curling iron and 300. The first thing i did was buy three tvs. I had one in each room to the so i wouldnt miss the news. Right. So you could do your homework. I had a mattress on the floor, but i had tv so i would never miss, so id always know what was happening and not be incorrect on the air. Do you remember the day when you finally felt at home and thought this is where im supposed to be, when it came to talking about crime on tv . I felt that way the first time i tried a jury case. Really in. Yeah. It was, felt like a bird out of a cage. Believe it or not, i was one that would never raise my hand ever. Really . I had a totally different personality before keiths member, but i dont remember that girl at all. Once in a while i have a kind of a remembrance, but not really too much. But when i tried that case and, john, it was shop lifting. This poor little guy that was so pale, shorter than me even, had gone to the kmart over there used to be a kmart on piedmont limberinger. Yes [laughter] he stole a cd player, stuffed it down in pants. He went all the way up to the front, chickened out and left it. Well, the security guards at kmart couldnt wait to throw him on the asphalt and drag him back in and arrest him. So i had to try to case. A shoplifting where nothing was taken. [laughter] on attempted shoplifting. I had to tell the jury, when you go to the Grocery Store, do you stick the eggs down your pants . I hope not. So i got my first conviction. Straight probation. They wouldnt do it. The guy had so many drug arrests. I begged his wife, take probation. This guy does not need to go to jail for this, but any infraction would have rejoked his probation revoked his e probation, so it had to go to trial. That was the day of the week that the airconditioning went out in the Fulton County courthouse. I thought i had to dress like a man. That was back then. I had on a blue suit, a shirt up to here with a [inaudible] and few hair up here. By the time my shirt was off, my hair was over here, the bun [laughter] that shirt was untucked, and i had all this black eye liner xmas care rah and mascara. Got a conviction. Thats the first time i knew that thats where i was supposed to be. One of the things that i truly admire about you is the way that you always keep family first. In fact, its what led your decision to depart hln and take off in other directions. Although we will talk about them a little bit, im sure, in the minutes ahead, i want the make sure that we do include husband and the twins. Whats the latest with david, john david e and lucy . Oh, my. Do you know theyre 12 . Thats impossible. I hate it and love it. Because i dont want them to grow up and go away, but im so proud of them. They are my whole world. I cant wait to wake them up in the morning. Lucy has declared herself a vegetarian. Oh, really . Which means i are have to make two meals. I know more than you would ever want to know about impossible meat. And shes wonderful. My son is they make all as. They certainly do not get that from their mother. [laughter] they love school. They just played in a church choir cast nets. Really . Percussion . She plays the clarinet and the piano, and he plays the piano and the sax. Theyre just my whole world. Yeah. Theres so much to say about them. And your sweet mom lives with you as well. Well, okay. [laughter] after my dad went to heaven, my mama moved in with me, oh, lord. Between her and lucy and the guinea pig [laughter] weve got a rescue dog, fat boy, a rescue cat, cinnamon, and two rescued guinea pigs. Yes, they exist, abby and chloe. I have to clean their guinea pig poop, seven a. M. When youre kicking back with your latte, im in there shoveling guinea poop. Think about it. [laughter] anyway, i couldnt be happier. And my husband is still alive, ive not murdered him yet. People always say why isnt he in the pictures . Because hes taking the pictures. Right, right. The lets, finally, get to the meat of the hour. The title of this book is, honestly, everything you need to know about whats inside. The subtitle, fighting back against americas crime wave, thats not just a throwaway. Its key because ive heard you say on a number of occasions, including just this past week during the recording of a program, that you didnt realize you were a victim when keith was murdered. And thats what a lot of crime victims families dont realize, is that they are crime victims as well. You know, we were talking about i know exactly what [inaudible] referred to, and that would be the Scott PetersonDeath Penalty sentence reversal. Based on the fact that some of the jurors were not questioned individually during voir dire which, coincidentally and one juror that made it on, juror number 7, i remember i nicknamed her as strawberry short cake during the trial because she had this beautiful red hair under the character, cute little creature. Anyway, when asked have you ever been a victim of a crime, she said no. Well, in fact, she had had a restraining order taken out against her boyfriends exgirlfriend who was harassing her. And the reality is that the woman was prosecuted. But i wonder sometimes if she does not consider herself a crime victim. Crime victims families that, you know, go a lifetime looking for justice are crime victims. Crime has forever changed their lives, john. And since we were talking about john david and lucy . It was over 20 years of grief and mourning before i could consider remarrying. And because i mourned that long and would basically sabotage every relationship in my life because i really didnt want that, all i wanted to do was put bad guys away. I waited is so long that by the time i married my dear husband david and gave birth to the twins, lucy and i almost died because im an older mom. Because i couldnt i was two hours late to my own wedding, john. [laughter] because i was convinced, you know, am i going to jinx david somehow . Is some horrible thing going to happen to him . And i dont want other crime victims to grieve the way i did for so long, because the repercussions go on. I raised the children, that was largely affected by what happened to keith. Constantly worried about them. The book can read like literature, but it can also be a reference guide for wherever you find yourself in life, whatever you might be planning to do. Maybe its a trip, maybe its joining a gym and you want to be safe of going to exercise, and you give these great stories. Theyre tragic theyre not stories theyre truth. Real people. Absolutely. Suffered deeply in life. And i want to tell you something, john, which you probably already know. Every one of these chapters is inspired by a cause i either personally investigated, took to trial myself or covered every one. It took me two years to research and write dont be a victim. And the stories here are not the scare anyone. The stories are to empower you at a time where so many of us feel we cant control anything thats happening around us. Thats not true. You can fight back. This is not to scare, but to give you the power to fight back. 350 payments of advice pages of advice, and im so proud, john, because i pledged every penny from this book to National Center for missing and exploited children. And, john, this past week i got to send them a 25,000 check based on people buying the book. And it meant the world to me that were not just sitting back reporting, were actually doing something to help. I was inspired in each chapter. For instance, many people in atlanta will recall the courthouse shooting. I was catching a flight to california from laguardia for a victims rights march, john, and i got a text from my best friend girl mass shooting, Fulton County courthouse, come home. I got off the plane with my horrible little bag and got a taxi to jfk, caught the next flight to atlanta. The judge i had played softball with, roland barnes, the Court Reporter that had reported my trials, a sheriff that had guarded my courtroom dead. Why . Because a female sheriff was overpowered in an elevator, and the person got out. If she was overpowered, what chance do you and i have, for petes sake . Safety in elevators. I met with the long island joggers dad, phil, on the dr. Oz set, and he inspired me to write safe while exercising. Because i saw the same cycle happening over and over with women being attacked while exercising. Why is that . What can we do to stop it . Is same in your own safe in your own home. The red rapist in atlanta inspired me to write safe in your own home. The first half of the book is devoted to keeping your children safe whether they are at daycare, babysitter, nanny, at a ball field, an amusement park, at a shopping mall. Everything i could think of, online, god help us, safe online. Its in here as well. You were speaking about kids, and school is one of those fears that parents have. Just sending the child off to school, no longer having them at home with them, but heaven forbid, the one case that comes to mind is kelsey smith. Kelsey smith was on the phone with her mother, and she went to a target, and she was buying a gift for her boyfriend. As he was walking out to the parking garage, suddenly that was the last time anyone saw her. She was 8 minutes from home. Her father had devoted his life to Law Enforcement and stopping crime. You mentioned about school bus, i mean, school. Dud you know, john, between 3040 of all child abductions or attempts occur as it relates to getting to school, the school bus, school route, getting off the bus, getting home. I was a latchkey kid. Both of my parents worked long hours, my dad for the railroad and my mom worked her way up to cfo of a company. Long story short, we caught the bus, walked to the bus in the morning and walked all the way home from school in the afternoon. Thats a time so many children are targeted. There are a million things to do to protect your child. Do i have to say the same jay see duggar . There are so many simple things you can do to protect your child. Travel is another area where going as a family, of course, there are dangers there, but sending your child off as a teenager like Natalie Holloway for a vacation. I discuss in depth that. I go into cruise line safety, which cruises are coming back. Its going to happen. Ill never forget i have taken the children on, i think, three disney cruises, david and i. And one night they insisted on going to the tween hangout. So i said, okay, and i let he and lucy go. And they had met up with a little boy from the their school who happened to be on the same cruise. Anyway, i made sure nobody would walk back unless mom agreed. So i spied on them for a little while, okay, all right, ill go back to the room. So i went back, and we had this little walkietalkie. It got to be quarter to ten, supposed to be back in the room at ten, no john david. Lucy was shy as a peach in the corner, we brought her back, no john david. I called and they said, oh, his mom signed him out. Im like, i am his mother all i could think were the cases i covered of attacks on cruise ships not disney but someone getting my son. In my pajamas, i grabbed louis is su and started running. Can you see that . In my tennis shoes and pj, running up to try to find john david. When i saw him, ill never forget it. I was too scared about what could have happened to him, and i dropped on my knees and he to me and said, whats wrong, mom, why are you crying . What had happened was the other little boys mom came to get him, and they all walked out together, and then john david just peeled off. That story, oh, i talk about cruise ships in the book, hotels. Were big campers and rvers. My children are both trying to get eagle scouts. A young girl, samantha koenig, was abducted by what turned out to be a or serial killer. He bragged. He found many of his is victims at campsites. So that inspired me to write about camping, rving, hotels, cruise ships, you name it. I talk about peepholes because of erin andrews. Every story in here is true, and its accompanied by advice from not only me, but from experts in the field from being safe in your own home, safe in your car, if you think somebodys following you, fender bender, you name it. I cover it in this book. After i finished your book, i couldnt help but think of words my own mom always used, and im sure im going to butcher her saying, but it was something along the lines of prepare for the worst hope for the best, prepare for the worst. Exactly. Thats right. This could be another subtitle for this book. And the thing is, john, i dont want anyone else to be a crime victim. I would not wish that on anyone. Because it affects you, everybody around you. I almost missed my chance to have my family because of what i had been through. I dont want that for over people. For other people. And there are ways to avoid it. A lot of times its so simple, john. Well, selfishly, i wish i could can you a million more questions, but i want to open things up to some of the folks that are with us tonight. Lets see, lisa g. Has written in with a question. She says nancy, in your professional opinion, do you think the two remaining people in the Jennifer Dulos case will ever go to trial . Oh, lisa g. , i have raised so much cain about this case. Jennifer is a missing connecticut mom of five. Her father borrowed nearly 200,000 dollars from her parents to fund his luxury construction business. He first said jennifer just left her five children. Then he said she was writing a gone girl type script and was trying to frame her, then he said it was possibly revenge suicide, that she had committed suicide to get back at him. I mean, he, hes thought of so many horrible theories, but plus amazingly put together an airtight case against him and his lover and raised suspicions about a lawyer involved in the case. Dulos, ultimately, committed suicide. His five children may never know what happened to their mother. They may actually believe she abandoned them. She didnt. He killed her. On video he and a woman that we believe is michelle jacobus, the girlfriend, were throwing out jennifers bloody tshirt, bloody sponges and rags, putting them down drains like sewer drawns. Theyre caught on camera drains. Theyre caught on camera doing that. They had an alibi script written up to talk about what they were doing when jennifer went missing. She and a lawyer are still out on bond and have not been brought to justice. Why . I fear, lisa g. , it will be swept under the rug and at some point in the future theyll take a cheap plea, and we wont hear about it. You know, like epsteins plea down in florida, you didnt hear about it until a long time after . Closed courtroom, the whole works . Thats my fear, lisa g. But i just covered it on oxygens injustice series to keep it off the back burner, to keep attention the on it. Because i want her children to have some kind of peace. Im glad you mentioned the Oxygen Program because i promised that before the hour was up, we would talk about some of your other tv projects you have going on right now. Quite a number of them. Im so proud of it. Oxygen and justice just kicked off season two. We get literally thousands of cases. Well, right at a thousand that we pored through to come up with these 11. One was about, it was a case that i got personally involved in regarding an iraqi war vet that came home from iraq, couldnt find a job, was desperate to find a job for his family, his wife amanda and their little girls. He finally took a job at the quick trip. Heft headed in that direction he was headed in that direction and cops tell the wife and the mother, he just left you. He left you and his children. They never believed it. I got so me mails on my well, Facebook Messages about it. I looked into it and got the case. Got cadaver dogs, i went and personally found the guy that had seen him last, found him in a swap house motel, doesnt believe him didnt believe him, and we helped solve the case. He did not leave his wife and his children. That was one of our options, season two. Were going through cases that have a grave injustice, and im very proud of it. It airs on thursday nights, 9 p. M. Eastern. You have to watch it, john. I worked so hard on it. Im also working on a series called bloodline detectives, its syndicated. But its across the country. Its about cases that have been deemed unsolvable. And through no fault of the cops, john, i mean, you have a case that you chase to dead en, and you get a hundred new cases a week. You cant stay on the case. You have to move forward with other cases. But through cutting edge technology, these seemingly unsolvable cases are getting cracked. Family members have spent huge chunks of their lives seeking justice, if im really proud of it, through these bloodline detectives. Its incredible. Weve also heard from claire, and she has great taste because she says, nancy, you are the queen. [laughter] after all these years since the trial, she quickly gets very serious here, what do you think these days about the Casey Anthony case . What sticks out to you the most from your work covering this case . During the trial but i met with have them and they were portrayed in a bad light. They are really good and decent people i believe that and i dont believe anything that was said. I saw her mother tried to take the fall on us and saying she made the search for chloroform and had been looking up chlorophyll. She was ready to go to jail on perjury to help her daughter but now instead of doing anything good with her life, she shows up im not the church lady but for petes sake with a second chance, do something with your life. A question that is topical at the moment. Our country has been in turmoil from top to bottom. What is your view on the best way to minimize crime during blm protests and that could be either side of the protests. Very, very close. You hear about people in manhattan fleeing to the hamptons, people are moving from the north to the south down to the southern in georgia and florida to get away. Not everyone has the money to go away for the summer. That isnt an alternative for most people. I wouldnt in any way allow my children, and i would beg my husband not to be anywhere near the protest to start with. I do not get involved in gun issues. Im a gun violence victim. In order to be a prosecutor, i do not carry a gun and ive never carried a gun. I do not advocate them. I think far more likely that there would be an accident and you would end up shooting a protester. My advice is to stay away. I dont mean hide from whats going on but we know the protests are happening. Stay away. You know where they are happening. Stay away. I feel very concerned about people going out and about with open carry weapons. I dont think that is necessarily the best idea. I saw this with mr. George floyd i think all cops need to be charged with murder. Its like and if you and i rob a bank and get charged you are on the hook for murder. The thoughts are right there. It all needs to be tried together in court. Sadly that isnt going to have been. Where does that leave me with the protesters, what happened with others is wrong and needs to be prosecuted do you have suggestions you will be happy to know this is for active and healthy baby boomers how can we stay safe in the Grocery Store parking lots let me go on my laptop here but i can tell you off the top of my head with safe shopping and parking lots number one, be aware you parked in a well lit area and if you are on a parking deck, g level. Its green and this is where i park. I try to park under something identifiable like a sign. You do not want to go out in a parking lot with your children or alone. You know that creepy feeling you get, there is a reason for that. I dont discount that. As i always say. They are born over thousands of years of evolution. Knono what you are picking up on but you dont get the feeling, use your remote, dont open it too soon and where you are not looking behind you there are a million to fall when shopping on a parking deck in the parking garages i could go on and on about safe shopping. From canada, melanie has written a question. Can you please provide the women listening and viewing with your top three tips to protect ourselves . Thats like making my alltime Favorite Movie or recip lets talk now about safe at home. I was inspired to write as i mentioned a guy prosecuted in atlanta that would target his victims in the hot summer months they would have a clear view at the door especially when youre home if you cant afford a Burglar Alarm you can most likely afford that and if you cant get the stickers that say and when a burglar comes into your home it can quickly escalate you are likely to go to the next home. Why worry with a Burglar Alarm. Do not put your key under your mat or under a flower pot even if you are in an apartment. Dont do it. Leave it somewhere only you and your family members live. When you are home either through a window to the side, dont do that. They can see you. Dont open the door even if someone has on a uniform. Just recently a judges son answered the door and a lawyer shot her only child and son and her son died. Keep the Burglar Alarm on especially when you are home. Ive got them on our doors and it pops up when somebody comes to the door or on your cell phone and you can speak to the person if you want to. I talked to our dog all the time. He looks confused. [laughter] same thing for safe while you are driving and exercising for instance go with a group, dont have a group, dont have a dog, take pepper spray or a screamer, or screen blood he murder. If you are running at night know that there is a home you can run to and that is well lit. There is a million things you can do to stay safe. Thanks to a question i dont have to worry now an hour or two from now that i completely forgot about your alter ego and crime fiction someone has written and wanting to know when the next book is coming out. Its going to be a pure roller coaster thrill fiction murder mystery and thats why i got dont be a victim done first. Someone wants to know what is on your bedside table when it comes to true crime . [inaudible] its the only thing im reading right now. And when you are exercising dont put earbuds in your ears. Im listening to the books and i love this. Hes a writer in a murder mystery and its hilarious. Thank you for your time over the past hour and we look forward to many more stories together, good stories of people that have avoided crime. Every dollar of those books is going to the National Center because of people buying the book. I am just so thankful. Thank you. Stay safe, stay healthy and stay tuned. Good night. More television for serious readers. 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