Welcome celebrating release of win every argument the art of debating per swaged and public speaking. Win every argument shows how to communicate with confidence, rise above a debate in the real world. Whether you are making a presentation at work or a debate current political issues with a friend, will teach you to sharken speaking skills and t me the winning case. Awardwinning British American journalist right and hes a host of the show on msnbc and peacock a former columnist and podcaster former presenter on dplish and his opeds have also appeared in the New York Times and washington post. Hassan will be in conversation with jen psaki discussed as restart that because it deserves one of the best press secretaries ever a sitting accolade yes. [applause] aa sitting accolade given that her tenure as the White House Press secretary covered one of the most complex periods in modern president ial history. Psaki has a show launching on msnbcek inside with jen psaki at 12 p. M. On sundays. There you go. [applause] please welcome me many joining politics and pros this morning. Is this working what a great crowd here this is amazing first ill start by giving you a little heads up when we get to thet q and a portion you will l have the opportunities to debate me it. Theb theres safe topics hell been the other side hes a cheese lover if you hate cheese get up there or if youre somebody who thinks kofd restrictions should have been thrown out a year ago hes also happy to debate you. So just a heads up for that. I will note that while youre thinking about this i have a blurb on the back where i refer to as one of the toughest interviews i did in the white house so just prepare yourself make some notes, and youll have your time. So i want to start because everybody in here may own the bookev or maybe their potential book buyers and for their friends why do you need to know how to win a debate . What is the goal . It is a great question thank you everyone for coming out i never realized how popular you were jen psaki so so i saw this crowd as i picked thehe right person to be in conversation with. Special thanks to everyone stapgding i came to politics for a lunch and i have to start out the whole time and i was really annoyed. So [applause] thank you all for coming and standing up. We appreciate you. Look, iou say in the introductin to the book, people saying i dont like to argue i did a mutual interview monday night i dont likeme arguing a lot of yu will say we try to avoid them and ivo quote i quote in the book saying avoid arguments and avoid like rattlesnakes i think people enjoy arguments they enjoy winning them and if you lose an argument, obviously, youre not going to enjoy doing it so i am of the school of thoughts that believes Everyone Wants to win an argument. Everyone at some point in their life needs to or has to win an argument and everyone can be taught to win an argument thats why i started to write the book because i believe very strongly that if people say oh you know what you do or what i do were born that way. It is a natural no i dont buy that at all i think what we do can be taught. Can be learned. Ive learned over the years people have been talking about stuff a thousands of years going back to aristotle and toipght combine with my own experiences say dont be afraid of this stuff. Anyone with do this thats why i wrote the book. D you and i have talked about this sometimes people think you think we all came out of the womb and wing it and theres a huge amount of preparation almost most important part you talk a lot about this in your book. So i have a show launching in two weeks just again it t will us a little bit about your preparation for winning an argument or an interview which sometimes is an argument on your show. So the book is divided into threent sections first section l about fundamentals all of the stuff im talking about stuff you need to make emotional appeal and call the rekreepght which is you know all about. And what you need to do in terms of listen because listening important also. At home arguments which i amount a controversial defense for given the book. More for people who didnt it is attacking the person no the the argument when youre in High School Debate and my daughter is saying play the bull not the man theres in theory and great on College Campuses if real life you have to play the man and the bull and i make the point because one of the main ways is asserting your credibility and diminishing opponent and when people say ethos address the argument thats nonceps and examples in the book if somebody has a history of lying dont trust that person. N. Thats an argument if somebody is paid by the fossil fuel argument youto should points out theres a conflict of interest there and first part of the book i point out funds mentales in the middle i have fun is spiciest section trips the geng is good too. Tricks things to get out of a hole and corner or knock off your adversary offbalance and third section is wbd worthy but dull it is practice, preparation how to build confidence that sounds likeun homework. But it is probably the most important part of the book because i couldnt do what i do and you wouldnt do unless you put in those hours and that effort because as i say this is not natural stuff. This is stuff that requires preparation delivery and i tell the story many people in the book who we consider today to be great and didnt start out that way whether Winston Churchill and talk about those of you study the greatest in ancient greece to be the father of rhetoric and could not give a speech in his 20s. He embarrassed himself in public and court had a stutter and built himself underground batman style cave which he retreated into and shaved off half his head and too embarrassed to come out of the cave and forced himself to stay down there standing in front of a mirror running become and forth with pebbles in his mouth to get past stamina until he thought he was good enough to take people on again and today hes considered one of the Great Fathers of rhetoric if we can do it and churchill can where did churchill practice . A story of his valet who used to hear churchill murmuring in the bathroom in the tub and he would run and say sir what can i get you and he would say im not talking to you im addressing house ofdr commons. Churchill would practice his speech in the talk because in the book when he was a younger mp tries to give a speech in the commons went red face im sure many have been there and couldnt remember what what wast thing to sayho and it was not le house of representatives it was furious spicier and belligerent so spent next 30 years fight them on beaches stapgd up to the nazis that didnt come naturally to him. Give us a little sense of each stage so you have a big interview coming up this sundaye maybe you do i dont know what it is you can tell us all here. [laughter] whatat are you doing to prepare for that starting tomorrow so the number one thing i do when i have an interview guest and i encourage this doesnt just apply to interviews but you have a big meeting in the boardroom tomorrow. A big case in court if youre a lawyer. You have a big presentation in high school. I try and find out every sounds obvious i know it sounds like departmentnt of obvious find everything that you can possibly find out about issue, other person, every argument i talk about in the book technique called steel manning we talk about straw manning using weakest possible argument against your wont in a weakway dont do that. You can do that during a debate to mock them and preparing for a debate steelman argument and come up with strongest argument to come up against and i pride myself in knowing the other sides of the argument better than they do if you can know the other y persons argument better than they do then they have nowhere else to go and you dont want to be surprised on live tv in the middle of a boardroom presentation. So people again, take the stuff for graduated but it requires a lot of time i talk about in the book or roleplaying when i was englishman we a long time longer than we have in cable news as youll discover in a couple of weeks we would sit and role play so you know, we have the former Israeli Foreign minister on the show danny i had a producer, basically become danny island for a week and she would come into meetings and she would be danny i would treat her as danny and she would basically her job to go through previous interviews and know what his answers are to various questions almost leak a chart. If he says this ill say this. If he says this ill go there if so that youre complete whole thing is mapped out before look atat winging it. How did he i wish i could say i pulled it out from my memory but calling her danny after the show is over because i got into it. But roleplaying brainstorming steel manning i talk about all of theg. Techniques to get ready for that big event. Do the homework but the in the time. Because really annoys me someone who does this for a living people go outin there and well f im going to operate an patient or going to do some of the tax plans and count and do work and go to the university and get bestbe degree public speaking oi can do that in half an hour. No put the same amount it is just as hard if not harder. So youve done all of the prep work which is whole point you get to the interview. Whats it like in the moment when you know you prepared for this moment and the person says something and youre like i have the receiptve in any back pocket so excited about this moments or describe it for me. But i love the way you dont know that moment because im pretty sure i saw you do that in the White House Briefing room with fox pete doocy baby of the White House Press corps. I saw the psaki bombs. Many bombs online. But i do enjoy doing them i talk about in the book im not going to pretend. In this book theres no false modesty sorry to say. If youu get a bite it is clearn the book theres a hundred books in the store im sure that will teach you how to negotiate and give a speech and you know do a presentation. Im notpr doing that im teachig you how toin win and im ruthles about that and open about that. And i say in the book, i get theres a high. Theres a adrenaline when im interviewing john bolton and i say to him because i did the homework i found his oldest speeches i powngdz him giving speech to the mek iranian cult Opposition Group it is good because it is against iranian government and support that group and hes got speeches for money paid speeches so i asked him no one asked him about this so lets ask him about this. Ask having an interview and i say what about the mek is it because they pay you ten grand for a speech. How dare you no one buys john bolton but they did pay you when prescribed terrorist organization. Ib no Hillary Clinton im sure you love she delisted them. Like no but you gave a speech before they were delisted in paris in 2,000 whatever it was i have and we watched and transcribed it. John bolton were on remote hes like it is breaking up. John bolton does you said this interview would be 15 minutes. [laughter] and your 15 minutes are up sir. And im like actually no. Ive got a clock in front of me were not at that time. Now that was a great moment to know that john bolton hes, you know, nobodys fault but smart guy been debating since the Yale Political Union is very good at interviews most interviews dont get the better of him thats a great moment i have the receipt he thinks hes out of it so mommies are great moment when is you talk about in the book you know, in the former press but im sure accused others it is a classic move from politicians. Li but nothing wrong with that. That iswr good im trying to got you holding you to account. Right a goal. Getting it. Trying to got you i make no apologies for that right Holding Someone catching them if youre inking the im going to call you out general Michael Flynn. Before you went full q and had Short National security in American History he came on my show he was a trump proxy at that time in the 2016 race and we discovered during Obama Administration when you knew when that end w in the end of te obama he was head of the dia defense perhaps barack obama worst decision many decisions but he make Michael Flynn with the intelligence decision and we foundun a quote where he talked about how the Nuclear Threat wasntt a threat so i decided d talk about in a book the way to disarm your opponent is present them with their own words without telling them theyre their words why below the belt it is not my job it is your job. [laughter] so we read out the court i said well you spend whole show. Iran, iran wee must you know, i said do you agree with people who say that Iran Nuclear Program is not no i dont agree request that. Not at all those are your words. That that was a moment yeah some people they go cheer at Football Games thats me. [laughter] thats my moment. Yeah. Yes. Thats my moment. Receipt so eve this a Chapter Chapter three of the book ise l about receipt so make sure you have your receipt dont get in a debate where youre not armed receipt comes from wanting to see physical receipts like youve done that in the Briefing Room youve r pulled out ive gt it here. I have this in my pocket. Yeah. There you are. So one of the things you talk about in the book which really stuck with me is just this where did you balance between facts and charts and heart and emotion . In democrats god bless all them umbrella love a good chart navidad tay, i mean i dont know if you all remember the bending cost curve state the Affordable Act i was in the white house at the time i dont know still what that means. Did you stay awake during meetings . Barely. But you know, theres a balance right because you want to be fact based but you also want to be flexible and agile so whats that balance . How do you define that . So balance is you need facts im not here to tell you were in a post fact world and one of the reason i wrote the book is we might come to this. So many gaslighting these days andd bsing and ruining the art f the debate by beating the krawp out of the on innocence nonsense. It facts arei important. You need to havee a solid substantivesu backing to what youre saying but that wont win you. Nobody is convinced with a chart and democrats bless them the labor party in the u. K. Where im from amazing. Very tech approach if i can do one more pugh poll i will con vips this voter. If i can write a report one more fact, statistic and you know Hillary Clinton bless her heart in 2016 you know up against donald trump. Donald trumpmp understands one thing he understands how to rows all ofemotionally with the worst motion but emotionally. Build a wall lock her up. Ban muslims we remember those lines today because theyre to the point and they rows something in you. Kind of disliking or like Hillary Clinton has like what a 17 point child care plan it was great. Im sure it would have improved child care across america but nobody was going vote on that basis paying attention sadly i wish we lived where the 17 chart lives notag live in the abstract College Debate system. Thats great for highha school f youre a high school College Debaterr great but in real world it is not how it works. You have to have emotional appeal and tell stories, engage people with passion. If it is going to be heart versus head the heart is going toto beat the head nine times ot of ten and goes back to aristotle talks about ethos personalib credibility but paths the need to connect with peoples hearts. Human brain is not hard wired to receive a bunch of statistics. Thats not how you can convince yourth spouse or kids to get anything done you make emotional appeal but when we get into politics sometime we say democrats in particular because i dont know liberal arts, education, law degrees no idea. But this idea we like facts. Rational defeat you and thats not how americans are. They want toto be inspired infud to see righteous anger. I talk in thehe book about michl with the case study in, you know, 1988. Is up against george bush senior. The debate begins in l. A. , first question Death Penalty getting hard is soft on crime im not sure how. Many of your old enouh to remember. And is asked what if kitty dukakis, his wife was raped and murdered would you still cannott hold the Death Penalty . The carcass gives a three minute answer. Described in the book, three minute answer he talks about massachusetts crime rate to talks about d8 Law Enforcement talks about planning a drug assignment for the Southern Hemisphere pretty talks aboutth everything except the fact the guy just said his wife mightve been brutally murdered people want to and from their commanderinchief what is his inreaction question because a gt reaction to say his wife had been murdered he didnt do it he was cold, emotionless he was flat he absolutely got destroyed its own campaignha manager saidi knew we had lost that night thats a problem the democrats took far too often. And Hillary Clinton to someone else accused as cold et cetera. Somewhat misogynistic so mistreat your membership be barack obama in New Hampshire and people so she can get engaged with voters. I dont think that was a coincidence i dont think its a coincidence the six democrats in president ial elections in the 21st century across the three lost or alcor, john kerry, and Hillary Clinton think thatsgr a coincidence smart people but not the most inspiring of barack obama in a Different League and joe biden is not the best buddies authentic people thinkea what he speaks he sank when means not talking off telling point or a prompter. I do think there is a link. How do you think the art of argument or a debate has changed since trump came on the political scene . It is awful. I say that to someone who loves doing this and have people on my show, youre about to watch the show, right you want have a bunch of interesting diverse guests. I hate soggy consensus and having what everyone agrees thats not how i was raised. I love having people who push back against me, disagree with me. I cannotmo really do that anymoe because i want to have consensus on the show. Only going to get the nevern trumps. I have a high jute rule i do not have election acclimate on them show im up for argument but im not going to argue people do not accept reality. Theres no point arguing in that sense. But it limits me. I am limited and i dont how long i can stick to the ruled the entire modern Publican Party is an election to that wasnt me too have no one on the show . Thats a hard choice to make as a journalist in a twoparty system. To answer your question a lot of these people come on tv try to steamroll you. And i talked about this technique if you can call the technique it comes from evolutionist creationist who used to debate abolitionist. I dont know if it if you have been onei youtube in the numberf debates on revolution but in the scientist lose. Ive got one more statistic. I have a peerreviewed study of the other person is inspiring and funny and telling anecdotes. He was a master of this very engaging very funny he would absolutely bombard whoever he was up against o relentless chan of cherry pick statistics quotes out of context misrepresented studies he would have so many in such a far space of time the scientist cannot respond to them. The neutral thirdparty in the audience say the scientist are not responding maybe theres some truth to what he saying thats the whole point of the technique donald trump has mastered knowingly or unknowingly you get overwhelmed. There is not the democrats they are the immediate the way to do with the media was to flood them thats what they have done they flooded it with excrement. 48 while it lets fact check everything he said theres a debate about he was going to be shown whether the tweets should be shown progress you cannot fact check. Daniel dale who we both know for the best fact checker in america there is a moment in 2020 he comes on the show and ik talk about in the book he just two minutes and you cannot do that every day. Over the first president ial debate in 2020 Chris Wallace was a pretty good interviewer cannot control donald trump. Because the two minutes one after the other. Talk about that in the book. And there would pushing this, overwhelming you with nonsense. You have people come where do i begin with the nonsense i heard . I talk about in my book at the tthreepart strategy. I have a chapter way she did her thing inee threes to make friens in families great frustration. Three ways you can stop. Number what you pick your battles. You do not try to about everything. You pick the weakest, dumbest most ridiculous claim and you zero in on that. So the audience says thats a lot of nonsense shall eat the rest of the arguments are nonsense as well. Number two you dont budge on our industry. Have been there six months on in. [laughter] too many interviewers and i have said this openly, move on to quickly. We live in a time environment youre going to have go to break very soon theres always an ad, break coming up. Not enough time on cable tv we move on. When they take advantage of that because they know they can say 10 nonsensical things you will rebut one of them or move on to the next question. They like to keep the interview moving the mayan is dont budge less is more to not do 20 questions do too. But make sure the answer the two. When i interviewed steve rogers it was during my show. I can still happen bro. But. I decided that were going to focus on one trump claim u. S. Steel is about six new steel mills. Trump knew. Re hed move onto the next line. So i said to his proxy that is false, that is a lie but no, nobody meant to say is steel is doing really well. Is not what he said he said a very specificc number he said sx steel mills where are they . U. S. Steel says there arent any bigwigs manufacturers doing so he kepte dodging and i would nt move on i said what six where are the six and he said 60s lying is any . At one point steve rogers says you can watch it its a bit of fun. He says just move on. [laughter] he started producing me, just move on. [laughter] your 15 minutes are up. No im not going to move on. This is the third point this is what he said because you know dits a life and that is what youre doing here for the third point is call it out when some trying to bs you forget about the other argument in thed book and said this is not a good faith argument this is bs. Call out the study. This is nonsense. Unless you read the book. Unless we divide up after it will argue buried point it out. The Rand Corporation mix another analogy. Were he rambles through everything from ukraine to transgender rights. When the russian firehose of falsehood put raincoats on the people it is aimed up at your job as a sum is bs thing is to protect the audience. You want to make them aware of what is going on. Its not easy to go up against and theyve done the job of interviewing trump. But it is hard. I give my attempt and strategy to how to take on the bs appeared. We talk a lot about taking on and dismantling their arguments but part of winning an argument as you talk about it here is also presenting something good or positive or they can bite their teeth into. What is the balance do you think for people on that . In terms of positive and negative . Enputs how was it taken apart yr opponent versus presenting an alternative . Again i was a context matters usually it is where you are question you in a formal debates in an auditorium are you would evolutionist . Are you one cable news for a fiveminute hit . Go to courtroom trying to persuade a jury . Are you in a president ial debate speaking to the audience at home . The very we talk about flexibility people become very rigid there is no one stout right answer. Ve i talk about in the book you have to vary your valid it was just you, me and two other people ato weed if we were on tv we might be having a different tone. Your tone, your volume, your delivery all matters. Ndyou need to know who your audience is is it hostile to you . You need to tailor your message in that case you need to Say Something that might appeal to them like maybe i dont like and what are you going to say to catch them offguard on pleasantly surprise them . Gifted audience of everyone you agree to enter p challenge when upset the wisdom . It really depends where you are to take the wider point i talk about the grand finale you have to lead people something substantive they can take away a this unhappy effect or figure it can be a feeling. The amos phrase people wont remember what you said. But they will remember how you made them feel. That is so important sometimes watchable give a delivery argument or a speech that dribbles off at the end. Thank you very much will affect dont do that this is your moment. This is to send them away with food for thought inspired may be a call to arms what should you be doing after this . I definitely believe a more positive than negative getga people inspired trump thats a negative emotion. He is the loathing of foreigners in anger and paranoia but there is a latee inspire them with light and hope. I put some guy who was trying to trick people use the spicy. In the middle. I know your wife is here. Were going to call her up. Youre right in your book about how she wins arguments for those who do not know you can see how he would win arguments here. Ive been up since 4 00 a. M. In the morning i need a cup of coffee to make sure i can keep up. But your wife wins arguments how did she win arguments . What are her tactics . First of all she is much smarter than me so brainpower, intellect matters. I will say one thing i will use my wifes example should you win people on twitter, should you win every argument . Isnt that bad . Yes you are my friend. Debating is about learning and interaction. Great i am at the point of the book im not telling you to go out and necessarily win every argument. I am saying here is how you can should you chooseg too. Im not telling you to buy every car in the world and dried them. The example i give my wife is and may be, you might be able to beat your spouse in an argument im saying just dont. [laughter] may be just avoid it because its a little bit like he say he throws the game sometimes appeared im not sure about that. Two quote a famous White House Press secretary ill come back to you on that. We are going to get your questions in a moment. Per the instructions at the beginning if you like to ask a question if you like to debate. If you hate covid restrictions or anything else you can just line up right here. Marvel movies. Cartridge abided run for office . Everyone is too old. Ii dont think that making fun f it. You can line up at this. Do not be shy about line up here bettys going to take your questions. But as you are doing that i have little rapidfire. Light up people, whos the best debater today . Anshed been in politics . Looks take it wherever you want to take it. Because its my book i want to plug the book i talk about Elizabeth Warren how she turned up to las vegas what every think about worn whatever it is, one thing i am hoping we can on this room agree that no matter what she does between now andhe the y she meets her makers sheet save the world from Michael Bloomberg and 160 seconds. [laughter] she destroyed Michae Bloomberg ridiculous president ial candidacy and 59 seconds i talk about the book she turns up in vegas, first answer she goes for billionaire im not talking about trump it is genius. Her team were hugging chairs in the green room and jumping up and down but wikipedia that night change bloombergs page tosay killed onstage in las vegs by Elizabeth Warren. As politicians go to war and is a High School Debate champion. She is certainly up there for precooked to else she did . Maybe more than Hillary Clinton i am not sure. But they message she has a plan for that. You just meet people at eventspl she has a plan for everything. You read the plan . No but she has a plan for all of it. That is amazing. Four years later will summers has a book out talk about qanon because as people obsessed with plans. Weve got to take it back. Who would you love to debate . It could be a debate at an event of a quick someone i went to interview, grill and go out back and forth because they loathe them and respect them. Tony blair or someone. This month as a 20th anniversary of the iraq invasioo which blair and bush happily gave the world for george bush would be a pointless interview no disrespect. Like shooting fish in the barrel. Function be interviewed on iraq for twowo decades. Hes a great tough onene tony my intentions were good, the intelligence i will love to go back and forth with him. On the lies that were told and hold that guide to account because no one is held them account for years. I would love that tiny bluff bluffer watching cspan if you are onon twitter where politics and prose. We are ready to do it this year. Most starkly different than your point of view . Its a good question. I guess right now a contentious one as i support defending Police Brutality in the country. An enforcer the polls are not there yet. It is a tough choice and people in your party as you know run away from this argument. Of the just dont think. Only do what they do not want to say it because its politica suicide they think. Or they are worried about crime in their communities go on, go on. I did not say think about crime as it defunding. Or not overwhelming im reframing the debate. Which is judo moves when youre making a case liberals fight argument on the train ofd conservatives i talk about making a case of police and crime rates, talk about in a purely emotional term. Tell me which american support funding, find me in american says yes i support funding that. Show meet that person. Okay. I think we are ready for questions. Go ahead. I would like to note which debate you lost . And why and to who . We will state with impersonal household debates. I did a debate on ive got to think which one is more interesting. Couple of things i was cocky 10 years ago one after another you questionu this theyre all in n it. It did not go anywhere i was embarrassed id used up the time on my show the stuff i did what to avoid if i wrote another book one chapter not is because when to walk away from the argument. At debate i did for intelligent square is debating organization in the uk on the u. S. To the height of the year old crisis when greece was really suffering. Ihe was making a case that she was. It was intelligent spread another reminder is you have to know your audience. I turned up at the a debate thes about spending the entire crowd paid 70 pounds for ticket or whatever it is. Even the greeks and the crowd are like greek shipping tycoons but we need to destroy our country. This audience than this whole tonight with this people and gotten a chance. The very first chapter in the book is called know your audience. But they want to get out of something we can offer the audience how you can identify with them tip number one which politician do you appreciate the most as far as debating skills . I mentioned Elizabeth Warren i mentioned tony blair lets pick someone else. I would say aoc on the house floor. Separate of tv interviews if youve seen some her performance on the house floor it is to use the kids it means she doesnt bring the fire. I love fashion. The most about politicians on left their bureaucratic and managerial. These scenes invert recent speeches you want to youtube it her speech of the day republicans about to remove from the stored affairs was a stunning piece. You watch it and you y feel something. That is the emotional appeal thats going to be any technical argument did not remove matt gates, at what she came up with in terms of bigotry and standing together was a very powerful put your skin on edge frequency of giving everyone homework, thats good, good. More homework tous come. First of all been a fan of yours for a while very much. One pattern ive noticed across your career is on several occasions you interviewed a professor. And on multiple occasions you reference consensus on how the media likes uninformed American Public to get them to vote for candidates on the interest of the elite. So across your career your records have been very clear your staunch critic of israel. Are weakening to a question. [laughter] wixom in my head. Hes done his homework for. Years you criticize u. S. Militaryry campaigns. And afghanistan, iraq, libya, others for my question for you is how does an antiestablishment figure like you work for a iscorporate establishment media such as msnbc . Is drawing fire. Is not a question or speech . It is a question precooked normally when you ask a question you wait for an answer. Th quick close with this way let me ask you back how do i work for them question what you tell me precooked to our broadcaster on nbc was one of the Largest Telecommunications because of all the issues you justt mentioned which ones have i stopped talking about since i work for msnbc . Eater with a question. [laughter] flex happily. Im good at repeating questions. You listed a bunch of issues that ive done over my career and you said and now you work for msnbc process it all the issues you mentioned israel come suddenly become a u. S. Military, libya, et cetera which ones have i stopped r talking about her st railing against since i joined msnbc . Example last year the issue between israel and gaza were happening you had the deputy ambassador Something Like that you had himyo on and could not shut up about hamas and things like that that very clearly says and at the end of the debate u. S. Do support a solution he did not give an answer on that that is an example. Thats a good example right question ending agreement. My position is i the same criticismsad of Corporate Media ive always have i have the opportunity to work for Corporate Media is a great blessing opportunity to get to toaddress many of the people and platforms like norbert would not have access to for example i was on air in prime time at ennis nbc the week joe biden made one of his best decisions of the most criticized decision to end the war in afghanistan in august of 2021. I was able to get more African Voices on tv that week and probably in the cable show any cable channel has ever done. For me i have all of my criticisms like all of my constraints. The position as his lungs they let me keep doing what im doing i will stop doing it. Okay. Brought back lots of great for me. Audiobook you can also watch on hbo. Its really great example to really turn the tables. So well so if i remember correctly for President Trump is one holding up he was pulling up his folders, great memes came out of that as well. Choosing to interview protective at the interviewed many times we use the interview. Who has seen that . Has anyone seen the meme . He won an emmy for which you deserve. I do the threepart process. I do not budge when tom brought out the graph he said look at south korea most interviewers should be stop ive got another question and some go okay whats look at south korea. What i do . By the way what would you ask trump, what does nato stand for . What about w. H. O. . When are you heading for wakonda . Those are the questions i would ask in the white house a brief Briefing Room. [laughter] but swarna did that. He picked his battle. Our numbers are bad. What you are doing too. Reporter me. Ive start wising up to trump standing up to him. Using the l word trumps fascist racist and dishonest pretty cant say stuff like that is isa extreme. I now generally six we all agree with that. Some of us are saying this for a long time. Chris wallace in 2020. The big question is what happens in 2024 . It is a good question. A journalist have to think long and hard you do them alive . Please god no at least pretaped them you can interject with facts. Jonathan karl of abc did a very good interview with Arizona Election kerri at lake how do you forget carry late . She is still protesting the election. He did pretaped percentage of the cutaway every time she said some nonsense and thats not you actually this. I think we should do more than that with people who fabricate. Lots of tips there okay who is next . Always once asked this question i think any politician agrees to o come on your show is out of their mind. [laughter] you are terrifying. You must have amazing producers that can convince people who know theyre going to be destroyed to come on. Yes. So my question is are there people you have not been able to get because theres so scared to be interviewed by you . Yes theyre not going to tell you their names are still trying to get them on. Like he is so scared of me he wont come on thats not going to work for the persuasion angle. I have greatsn producers must he been your my msnbc team came out they were watching me i was giving them the credit they deserve because they make me look good with all the research and prep. Another friend of mine at the back of the english producer worked with for years knows a lot of those guys. They got their ears chewed off by guests. The guy called ryan who used toa be down under he was the guests job was to walk people out to the studio to the street. Hoso awkward. It was so awkward like the former Prime Minister came on the show she can want to promote an initiative for girls and after shes permanency to the team i went ask one question one immigration might one question at the end is how does she sleep and of bloods on hands from all those who have drowned from other policies . We are sitting opposite each other, me the camera meant no one else in the room and the interview is over. And keep her happy how long are you in town for . She is just looking at me like shes the came on the show current mayor of kyiv. Former heavyweight champion of then world arms the size of my entire body. Her children get him on the show came to me that my english aint so good talk silly. Speak slowly for the first humans interview british tours on holiday can you show me the way after a few minutes in the heat of the moment. I will go back to my speech interview ends hes furious ive spoken fast which ive accused of being ana criminal. He stands over me he said he would speak slowly and thinking is he going to hit me . If he is going to hit me in my going to die but is it going to go viral . [laughter] horrible thought to be having. Then rankya us to walk them outf the room. Brian is in london he fled the country. Understandable. Voice recording is okay too. Video is good too. Whatever you want we will count down. [laughter] thank you for looking me in theh eye my heart is beginning to flutter. Let me get this out of the way. [laughter] halfandhalf. Love it. Thank you but had a question my friend i had another friend invited could not make it but im asking this on her behalf aa well. I was just in conversation with her about this topic for her and i both we feel there are so many times when we host and expansive art friday of knowledge on topics that can be so extensive but not to such a degree it is a specialty. Perhaps known as a jack of all trades kind of thing. We were kind of wrestling with the idea of how to argue and i dont know if you perhaps address it in the book, how do you find yourself tackling an argument with someone who could have more information on something you do not find yourself to be masters of science is kind of my life. Nothing ever feel i dont have enough but sometimes i am arguing with has views i perhaps do not agree with but the lack of information about these facts i cannot carry on and i want to because pickwick that we do talk without the book a lotot it is a challenge for all of us. I have it right now, i was doing nightly live show an hour and night. My mother, bless her was is watg it on youtube. I dont understand how you have time how do you prepare for all this . I know you dont know all the stuff. She is my mom she wanted me too be a doctor. What am i doing talk about medicine and Public Health . Its really important talk about in the book the whole trip and doing your homework and the whole chapter in preparation it is so important to talk about in the book having to interviewev people like huge intellect, huge, huge 100 times smarter than me wrong on almost everything. But a smart guy and i have to debate with him. It comes a on my show we prepare as much as we can. Some of you may remember he was the georgia resort to run iraq. And again what ever you think about paul bremmer, smart guy who turns out to do an interview in our intent long interview on iraq and his legacy in iraq. This guy literally ran iraq i had not been to iraq for 10 years at that point or five years this is years after surgery do, my team and to go through everything we read his memoir weaves other peoples memoirs who were in iraq at the same time we would all that u. S. Inspector generals report on waste of money during the iraq occupation. We got there all that stuff we spent days preparing to appoint appointive stack of papers the point where the interviews over hes sweating, i am sweating he healing supports a great moment he says nice research. He looks at me and says nice research that is a great moment for some like me i put definetr myself as a jack of all trades i try to keep interest in a lot of interesting things the simple part of the solution is you got to put in the work. And that can help you there is an advantage of talk about judo moves you knock people off balance of someone comes thinking of the greatest authority on the subject you pull out three things i havent thought of her three studies they had notot noted that llimmediately gives you an advantage they have a newfound respect for you the audience will super respect for you. Lets thank you very much. Thank you. How muchh time do we have left . I dont know who im asking and authority theres a voice of god somewhere. Im too long ill be very short i just want to make sure. Also a longtime admirer both of you, thanks for doing this for a 62nd ran equally go viral. Who sadly do not study are so effective in your argument. I was a warning if you take one of those two minutes to spot whatever you want, 60 seconds. [laughter] i was thinking either its always a rant about something is wrong in the world maybe a rant for 60 seconds about something find positive in american politics or 60 seconds whatever is bothering you. I will play the role of timer. [laughter] all right. Here we go. I am 43 years old i love living in this country because i love all of the people who make kids they are 15 and 10 i love young people in america, young people are saving democracy in america my evidence that is go look at the 2018 midterms go look at the 2020 election break a look at the 2022 midterms every said it being debbie talk to at harvard he will tell you young people the crucial difference democrats young people only old people not true. Young people turned out major levels peaked again but is out of the election democrats still in theho house in 2018. That when the presidency in 2020. Thereforens young people are actually inspiring because theyre always on tick tock there doing nonsense young people are fighting for abortionrights fighting for civil rights fighting for minority lights for transgender rights people cannot speak for themselves. I see young people is what inspires america do not care the older generations are doing, could it need saving . Okay. Im amanda and i forgot my question. Just kidding. I am Communications Director on the hill. Thank you very much. With a few members of concert truly standspa up. An honor to be. My question is not about that for the question is about gender. I would just love to know is there anything in your book, do you cover gender vortex around making a case . And i would love to hear from you as well. On. I will say one thing there are far too few women in the book of talk about others. There are not many women back in the date sadly. Im glad things havele changed. Probably well said. One thing i would say there are certain arguments when made by a woman would not be taking the same light when made by a man. One thing i do see in the book and it may butwe not be the ansr youre looking for im a member of eight minority that has its own baggage apart talk in the book about having resting angry muslim face. When i am paying attention it looks like i am angry for the gases talking looks like you want to kill me. Therefore a hefty dose of the baggage that comes with peoples preconceptions, and great muslim man. One of things i say in the book, i sent look you have to deal with that. If youre trying to win the argument in that moment you are going to have to save the point scoring the double standard the hypocrisy of anotherda day. You have to be flexible, nimble and use it in your favorite that in my own case for example im in front of a conservative crowd this person doesntab like the west ill go out of my way to talk about the western canon and the glorious constitution. But there was an off balance there is a gender discourse there is a minority discourse. Not everything in this book applies that way maybe thats the s sequel. I love that. Okay, oh man. When i was working for president barack obama i was the only female spokesperson in the press office. I always felt the many of these people my friends then are my friends today. I always felt like maybe had to replicate who they were. Their approaches were going to yell at reporters and slammed on the phone and brag about it. Or i am going to send an email on that is going to be how i am tough. None i always thought that does not feel like me. Going to be like them b and talk in this business is not as much about gender my own authentic version of how to make those arguments. To me i would much rather not come out hot screaming expletives but knowing i have receipts in my back pocket i am just waiting for a bear to slaughter for someone to walk into that. My own experience you have to believe you can do it. There is a confidence cap of thinking became the spokesperson traveling with him on 2012 campaign. How my going to do this questin questionrecords no one else advm just me. I cannot do w southern accent bt play along with that certain point people will believe it. Not advising the president tell you were sometimes you have to do a little superhero fit pose. I dont know if and when what wy ted at lasso in this room. You know the scene and then i will wrap, you know the scene when rebecca who is the female owner of the soccer i team is going to go in and talk to the mail Soccer Player she does this big thing where she is a tree. I have to do that before the briefing because if its a psychological thing im saying to myself ive gotgu this. So figure out what your thing is find your authentic argument it does not have to be like other people and fake it until you make it at little bit. Believe you can do it. There you go. [applause] all right. I think that wraps our program. This book, which i read several months ago but it is phenomenal. I learned a lot in this book. There are so many key components of this book i still do not want to go on his show. It is amazing, i highly recommend it progress you known when he came onto the show with me i was sitting on the 11th hour and i grilled you at all ow your fans are trolling all night. How dare you speak to jen psaki likeor that. 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