raid occurred. there's no indication that they asked for these documents in advance. i've been a critic of no-knock warrants for years. i don't see why they would need that with a 68-year-old lawyer. did they think he was going to meet them at the door with a tech 9? it seems to me it was a bit excessive and gratuitous. and it sounds like they were trying to send a message. >> jeff? >> well, i don't think there's any doubt they were trying to send a message. what we don't know are the circumstances leading up to the decision to get a warrant. i mean, what's clear is the -- manafort's lawyers have been saying all along, we're cooperating, we're providing documents. mueller doesn't believe it. mueller doesn't believe they were being forthcoming so they went in and took the documents themselves. that is certainly an aggressive step. only when we can read the affidavit in support of the search warrant and see all the evidence in the case can we, i