through. >> where is kethledge from? >> he is from michigan. remember, that's not inside the beltway. last time around for scalia's seat, there was a lot of talk about looking outside of washington, drain the swamp. so he would be a very interesting choice, and that might be very attractive. >> you have to wonder also whether a choice of somebody like kethledge from a state where there was a red-state democrat, that red-state democrat might feel a lot more pressure to vote for somebody from his or her home state. >> which is so fascinating because there's so many balls in the air here. the white house counsel's office is basically doing their best to prepare the president, and now as we reported, the president is going through pros and cons not only on the legal side. there's a lot more in play here. >> also, they're saying the president hasn't already made his choice yet and we're on the eve of the choice that he said he was going to make. >> well, that's the --