in from the storm, we'll give you shelter that way. and that's why it's very similar to a mob situation. and quite a few of mueller's prosecutors have that experience. prosecutor of organized crime. think there's a real analogy there. >> also at this point, flynn has worked for mueller longer i think than he worked for donald trump. >> a year. he worked for him for a year. >> a lot more time. >> he was on the campaign for a long time. >> a lot. >> he traveled. he was out of the campaign trail. he was in a position to observe, listen, interact, with the nerve center of the trump campaign and the trump family that was running the campaign. so he really was in a position to hear a lot of things that were going on at that time. >> he also, when chris christie was fired from the transition, as i understand, flynn really kind of took a bigger role and, therefore -- >> yes. >> -- had a lot of contact with the jared kushners and trump juniors. >> the kushner -- i mean, it's our reporting that the kushner -- that jared and ivanka were very supportive of general flynn as was -- as was donald