or you see this as being motivated by something else? >> well, no, i think it was certainly an element of circling the wagons among fbi folks. but also, i mean, look at what we know in hindsight. andrew mccabe was overly aggressive in matters related to the president. i have never thought that mueller was seriously pursuing obstruction because the person overseeing him, who we're talking about here would be right smack in the middle of any such investigation. and would have had to have recused himself. i don't think rosenstein would have stuck around in this for 19 months. i think we're at 19 months now. had that been a serious pursuit of the special council, because he's literally right in the middle of their theorys of obstruction. so i don't think that's ever been seriously pursued, we
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