noej are not only could they turn the lights off in new york, we could turn the lights off in moscow. it sounds like the defense department didn't believe the president would go along with this. in his many comments he's refused to call russia a threat. it's an interesting dynamic in this. >> general, is it unusual? >> it depends, ana, appeared jim has it exactly right. his book a very good on this. these limited stealth operations in the cyberworld have been going on over a decade. it gained a lot of strong in europe t and some of the effects on some of estrongia's infrastructure. so nato has developed in plans, some contingencies. the united states has many, many