at industrial spying and getting plans and information on weapon systems and other technological advances the united states has over russia. but the nationalst security threat assessment over the last couple years has identified cyber hacking and cyber security as being a place where we are most vulnerable to spying. it's russian hacksers and computer analysts who may be living in the united states that are probably where there is the most threat of them getting valuable information. rick: do you expect the youth has any spies over -- do you effect the united states has any spies over in russia. >> i don't have any information on that. but the spy games an old game. both countries have spied on each other and will continue to