kidnapper. former felon or felon. i guess if you throw some kind of doubt into some juror's mind, why would he call this guy, maybe this guy is lying. does he have a lot of credibility? >> i think you are right. most jurors have a lot of common sense. they have the defense getting up saying, it was the grandfather, he drowned, he molested casey. i think most jurors are skeptical. most will think what are they trying to do pin it, because he's black, a felon. i think it is disgusting and i think a lot of juries will turn against it. >> i'm standing across the street from the courthouse. i don't know what embarrasses me more the press conference or the brawl that took place this morning. i don't think the defense did this on purpose. the jury is sequestered, they are not seeing think of this. they don't know this person gave a press release today.