them were running around new york. they were going into every 7/11 they could find. what we want to do that? >> first of all is he getting a lot of money from clinton. clinton raised about 7 million bucks from him in new york. clinton is the only democrat who is acceptable on wall street. i think secondly he likes the idea of being paired with the guy famous for creating jobs. eliminating the deficit and balancing the budget. that's a good association for obama. clinton knows is he being used by a guy he doesn't like so he is going to jab him every chance he gets to bring it all down to earth. and that's what i think you are watching here. >> do you think -- bear in mind as i said hillary is not campaigning in this race. you remember how condi rice worked like crazy for george bush with the secretary of state in this race. >> she is in pakistan where she should be. she is doing her job. look, i don't think that barack obama wants' hillary clinton around campaigning but i could be wrong on that that.