because every time they make a deal with them, he reneges on it. >> so is the relationship frosty? there is one interesting thing on benghazi. it seems like the white house -- they want to point all the fingers at the state department. is that on purpose? >> oh, yes. i thinks. at one point bill thought that hillary was going to be made the scapegoat. he told her, if they do that, have you to resign. they didn't do that examine -- >> who has to resign? >> resign from secretary of state. >> okay. it's still happening now because she's gone. >> she's gone. but they are still saying it. i am told from the clinton camp that they feel pretty competent, when all the cable traffic comes out between the state department and benghazi that hillary will be seen as somebody who understood the situation and did something about it. >> all right. fascinating. appreciate it. coming up, let not your heart be