they are born again bikers who make duck ka zoos and we do interviews with them. of course things come out of their mouth we disagree with or that polite society disagrees with. that's the reason they are on tv. by the way, if they sat down and gave interviews and gave the answers we wanted to hear then they wouldn't have 8 million viewers every week. >> good point. if they were politically correct and were saying what hollywood or corporate america wanted them to say, they wouldn't have a show. >> yeah. we would be staring at two gay guys in west l.a. eating. >> well, that might have some appeal somewhere. so both of you agree there is hypocrisy on the a&e side. >> total and complete. on the other side, this group -- g.l.a.d. that started this stuff. they come off as bullies. the outrage is selectiveful they