would occupy the space trying to win the blue collar workers. you have elizabeth warren jumping in. it would be anybody's guess. >> what do you say, rich? >> jerry brown even if hillary runs, you're going to hear chatter about him running. and jim webb is going to run. >> all right. on the republican side jason? >> well, right now i think the polls are reflecting popularity. it's a popularity contest right now. known known quantities. that's why that's why you see a mitt romney up there a jeb bush up there. they have the name recognition. even someone like a rand paul or ted cruz is more popular with the base they're simply less well noen at this point. >> but you know rich, republicans are not known for allowing someone who has lost to run again, correct? >> usually the establishment front runner wins and this is