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win the blue collar workers. you have elizabeth warren jumping in. it would be anybody's guess. >> what do you say, rich? >> jerry brown even if hillary runs, you're going to hear chatter about him running. and jim webb is going to run. >> all right. on the republican side jason? >> well, right now i think the polls are reflecting popularity. it's a popularity contest right now. known known quantities. that's why that's why you see a mitt romney up there a jeb bush up there. they have the name recognition. even someone like a rand paul or ted cruz is more popular with the base they're simply less well noen at this point. >> but you know rich, republicans are not known for allowing someone who has lost to run again, correct? >> usually the establishment front runner wins and this is the advantage that jeb bush will have. he's he's going to occupy the space.
would occupy the space trying to win the blue collar workers. you have elizabeth warren jumping in. it would be anybody's guess. >> what do you say, rich? >> jerry brown even if hillary runs, you're going to hear chatter about him running. and jim webb is going to run. >> all right. on the republican side jason? >> well, right now i think the polls are reflecting popularity. it's a popularity contest right now. known known quantities. that's why that's why you see a mitt romney up there a jeb bush up there. they have the name recognition. even someone like a rand paul or ted cruz is more popular with the base they're simply less well noen at this point. >> but you know rich, republicans are not known for allowing someone who has lost to run again, correct? >> usually the establishment front runner wins and this is
hillary is, you know, this just behemoth juggernaut of a candidate and once you get past here, where do you go? not a lot of great -- not a great bench. but even if hillary runs, you are going to have a potential for republicans i think to win, and especially the age issue has been talked about. i think hillary can overcome it, but from an optics standpoint if you had someone like a marco rubio running, a bridge to the future versus a bridge to the past, it could almost be like 1996 in reverse. >> the bridge to the 21st century, bill clinton and bob dole. also democrats would say, hey, reagan was 70 and he won, 73 the second time. i want to thank matt lewis. up next, colorado is a red state that turned blue, very light blue, but could the fight over gun reform turn it back to red again. later we talk to wendy davis about her plans to change the shade of texas. stay with us. and now telcos using hp big data solutions
supporting hillary clinton's run. and even though she hasn't announced. it sort of made thee think about there's joe viden who served honorably as vice president. and he won't even run if hillary runs. >> if hillary clinton didn't exist or wasn't a candidate, let's understand that this is michelle obama's politics. she's a feminist of a particular generation. i thought she was maybe getting ready for sascha and malia the way any good mother would. she's a bit player. >> she's not a bit player in this big story. >> by the way, you're right. i mean, you know, of course you would expect michele obama to say we're ready for a woman president. she might have said that in 2007 if her husband hadn't run, right? >> gloria borger, errol louis, thank you for being with us. always appreciate it. coming up for us, the man who stared down lawmakers on capitol hill. >> i did not, if you have any evidence of that i'd be happy to see it. >> i asked a question. >> and i answered it.
other than to say that this is chris christie. whether you like it or not, this is what you're getting. >> so, what -- you're around these guys, people around him, the governor himself, what is your sense of how they see the 2016 landscape right now? because we always talked about, well, is he too moderate, is he not conservative enough in the republican party but now we're just dealing with is there too much baggage, is there too much of an overhang here with all the investigations. what is your sense of how they look at 2016? do they think, no, we've got this covered, we'll be fine? do they think, no, we'll -- what is your sense? >> can i quote chris christie here and use the word hypothetically? because that's what he did on jimmy fallon. well, what if hillary runs, you mean hypothetically, what if you run, hypothetically. could you beat her. hypothetically, yes. hypothetically, he does believe that he still has a chance. there is -- if you look at the chaos that the tea party has caused -- and you were just
diminished or challenged the entire coalition risks collapse. >> you guys read this. it was -- >> i did. >> it was actually fascinating where they went through all the problems president obama has had getting an agenda through, also polling numbers, his polling numbers are down on issues democrats aren't that strong and the point of this is, yes, the democratic party is in great shape if hillary runs, but if she doesn't the deluge begins. >> fascinating the difference between the democratic bench and the republican bench because the democrats have hillary clinton and then after that, you kind of go off a bit of a cliff who's next. republicans have a much broader array of people who actually are plausible. but it's going to be hard for her, hard for her running on the backs of a second it term of a presidency that hasn't gone as well as at least some of us would have hoped.
what's really upsetting is this idea that hillary can't win. either she is too maternal to run for office. or, and she won't, she can't lead. or she is not maternal enough and a ballbuster. there is no sort of winning either way. >> waefrler in the show, we were showing this lovely adorable ad from matt bevin with eight kids. and a beautiful family. and he is able to go in a republican primary. i like the ad. i have to tell you, no one is saying if he wins, mitch mcconnell's seat is he too busy with this large family. >> how is he going to take care of his kids? who is going to take them to school? make the doctor's appointment? never that question asked of male candidates. >> you think you are a long way, if hillary runs, a long way getting through this and fact checking it? >> i think we are a long way. it will benefit her. american women are sick of it. >> you get the backlash.
substantive critique if you dealt with it directly. >> reminding us again and again she is a woman if we didn't already know that. what's really upsetting is this idea that hillary can't win. either she is too maternal to run for office. or, and she won't, she can't lead. or she is not maternal enough and a ballbuster. there is no sort of winning either way. >> waefrler in the show, we were showing this lovely adorable ad from matt bevin with eight kids. and a beautiful family. and he is able to go in a republican primary. i like the ad. i have to tell you, no one is saying if he wins, mitch mcconnell's seat is he too busy with this large family. >> how is he going to take care of his kids? who is going to take them to school? make the doctor's appointment? never that question asked of male candidates. >> you think you are a long way, if hillary runs, a long way getting through this and fact checking it? >> i think we are a long way.
in the process. as a matter of fact, so late i actually made a movie, i spent a lot of money, made a movie about her hoping it would be about hillary losing. let me quibble a little. >> fundamentally you're right, by the way, and so is newt. these things aren't given away. if she runs, i really want her to, she will be hosted vigorously in my party and that's america. that's good. >> you just called the circular firing squad when the republicans are doing it. >> yes. this is the difference. you're praising ted cruz, nothing could be better for me, abandon the center. hillary runs, she is what she is. she's a centrist democrat. ted cruz, he's not a moderate republican. he's a mcgovern. >> i think he's more like reagan. >> he's lefty like mcgovern and we carried one state. >> you think ronald reg began
>> i was planning on making a major announcement tonight. but i decided tonight is your night. >> thank you. thank you. >> so i hope you'll invite me back. >> yes, absolutely. >> you haven't said no? >>, no i absolutely have not said no. as likely to run as i don't run. i just truly haven't made up my mind. >> he hasn't made up his mind. but at least one former obama official, someone from inside the president's inner circle had this to say. >> biden is the happy warrior. biden loves what he is doing and he doesn't want to stop. i don't think it's a stretch to believe, as he was telling "the view" that he might continue to want to do it, even if somebody else named hillary clinton runs. >> even if hillary runs, the president says that won't play into his decision. >> you have said that if she runs for president, you will not run. >> no, i haven't. >> then tell me what you've