>> no. >> tucker: i easily could have. >> we would never be in a shooting war with israel. >> tucker: in article five -- >> it's never been triggered because of the point of the terms are to keep the peace. >> tucker: here's a news flash, the intent of something is not always consistent with the results of it. we do things hoping for one outcome and very often get an entirely different outcome. imagine what could happen. >> we didn't create nato yesterday. we created it decades ago. >> tucker: must be really specific. >> the original nato which was 12 countries was to keep the soviet union in check. >> tucker: great goal. >> it's worked really well. europe was war-torn. something was working.