he's a shell, he's a grifter. this is the sort of step by the united states that shows he's illegitimate. >> julie: behnam ben taleblu joins us, he's a research fellow at the defense of democracy pete is also tested on capitol hill regarding iranian policy. thank you for talking to us. >> great to be with you, julie. >> julie: is this a good move by the trump administration, do you believe? >> i think it's a wise move and defenses were at the fiction, as bolton was just saying. but iran's former minister zarif is like any other. he doesn't have the portfolio powers like most foreign ministers do. high-level national security decision-making is made elsewhere in tehran, but never has one man with so little power been able to do so much. what he has done is present a change in style by iran, a change in substance. he has been able to lift sanction relief, and win friends and the west because a change in sale. >> julie: they said they would restart activities at every

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