you after you stopped being loyal to him? >> probably a year. >> a year basically an undercover guy working for a guy who thought you were loyal but you weren't? >> i'm not trying to make excuses for anything we did. we were wrong, i mean -- >> not we, you. >> i'm including my family. >> you worked for a guy you were freening to be loyal to, you were pretending to be a loyal aide to john edwards for a year when you really weren't. you were working against him or didn't like the guy anymore. >> i don't know i was working against him. i was on fred barron's payroll. i was not on john edwards' payroll. >> he thought you were an edwards guy? >> definitely. >> how do you feel about being basic lay rat fink? working for a guy -- i can't imagine being in politics working for a guy i had given up on. it seems to me you ought to get out, find a way, get out. get another job. get out.