both institutions need to wake up and realize it's the 21st century. you know what? punching people out that you disagree with. >> for mowing them down. >> that only -- >> it's criminal. >> -- only makes your cause more loathed. unions have to reform themselves. >> i would agree. >> quick answer to your question, harold, and according to "the wall street journal," the average salary for employee s in right-to-work states, a couple years ago the last time they measured it, $373 per week, 10% less than in states that did not have right-to-work legislation. but these states vary in living conditions. i don't know that it means much. >> mika, for your health book, your eating book, we talked about that -- talking about states and we talk about new england who's been gutted, mike. you've seen it over the course