and basically stopped the interrogation, does that sound to you to be bad justice? bad law enforcement? >> well, we get right into, chris, the greatest things of our democracy, three branches of government. i have never had a judge come to an initial appearance like that. i've had them come out at night if we needed it on an injured person or called them. but the normal course of business is, the law enforcement agents bring the defendant or ask the judge to come if the defendant was hospitalized, to conduct an initial appearance because they have arrested the person. if the judge decided to call the assistant u.s. attorney and the federal public defender and say we're going here because i feel this person needs counsel, and it is more to miranda -- it is counsel as well. because once you get counsel now, your attorney is going to shut you up. >> yeah. >> so that could have happened. we don't exactly know. the u.s. attorney's office could have asked the judge to go. we don't have those facts. and miranda doesn't always shut people up. they can still waive the right
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