groups at least continue to put the pressure on and not accept this as an excuse to not happen. >> does this coup represent an opening for the dechl carats? >> no. i think it makes it tougher for the democrats because one of the dynamics i've seen is republicans are sort of being -- again, as mr. van hollen pointed out, a small group of tea partiers are really sort of driving the agenda, at least in the house and by fear, right? there's so much fear of being primaried by a tea partier and what they might do. i think that continues to be a problem for democrats who are series about trying to get something done unless we continue to take them on and find those voerts and turn out the voerts who want to get something done. >> all right. karen finney, thanks for your time. >> thanks so much. take care.