university of michigan law school and an msnbc contributor. barbara, when you listen to everything that we've just heard, what does it make you think? >> you know, any one of those facts standing alone might have an innocent explanation. maybe the wilbur ross connection has an innocent explanation. maybe other contacts has an innocent explanation. but when you begin to pile them up, it does start to create a picture that there was an effort and a desire to have relationships with russia. which, you know, the last time i checked was our greatest adversary in the world. and so it does paint a picture of an administration looking to do business with russia. i think there's a question of why. what were the motives? and was there some desire to fix or rig the election? >> i mean, those are 11 contacts. now, what if, for example, we're looking at these papers that were leaked over the weekend and