just become sheep and salute smartly and follow this very corrupt leader. >> is that what you are saying is going on with conservatives. >> it is going on. of course it is going on. >> with sheep. >> of course. and not only among the rank and file but among politicians and conservative interele -- intellectuals. there is a tremendous loss of spine i'm afraid on the republican side. look, you can praise the president when you think he's done something worthy if you like the tax cut, by all marines applaud but don't pretend this is not a serial harasser and overlook the cavalcade of lies. don't overlook the degradation of the office. those things are important too. >> why? why do you think this is happening? >> there is a worldwide phenomenal of populism nationalism that is not unique to the united states. we may be seeing our aspect of