finance violation, then what? what are the repercussions? because if you think about the average american out there, why should they care about this? >> these are the rules by which we all play. rules are pretty clear. stephanie, if you're running for office, which by the way, i don't recommend you do. >> what would they say about me? >> you'd be wonderful. it's the institution i'm concerned about. i'm limited in the am of money i can give you. and you have to file an accurate and honest campaign report. those are the rules. so if i'm giving moun on your behalf to someone else or you're filing false campaign reports, that's a violation of federal criminal fall law. by the way, what mr. ginsberg says is spot on. i spent hundreds of hours listening to tapes. sometimes you can't make out a word or two or sentence or two. transcript is not evidence. evidence is the tape. but the evidence -- this is really important -- is also the