should say she's going do immigrant to stop it. i encourage her to visit the border. >> hold on, though. >> this nonsense they're telling the aclu that they should be reunifying the parents is a shame though. it's the federal government's responsibility. >> i want to zero in on one point. jeff sessions announced this policy in the spring. then when the policy was backfiring and they were getting the negative headlines and the pictures looked bad, but, you know, lives were actually much worse, they said over and over again, this administration kear kirstjen nielsen said this is not a policy. not only was it a policy, but it was aimed at parents. no not just anybody crossing the border but parents specifically. >> cruel intentioned. >> that's right.