manafort entering into this information sharing agreement. they keep the agreement in place. now, mind you, that's not up ethical. it's really problematic. we can see the reason manafort did it is because he's trying to keep one foot in the mueller camp, one foot in the i hope president trump will pardon me camp and i think it's going to blow up on manafort. why? because, look -- >> why do you think it doesn't blow up on mueller? this is stunning all these guys are allowed to talk to one another. to me this almost looked like trump and that whole squad is outfoxing them. >> i don't think it was helpful if, particularly in all those interviews with manafort, he gave information mueller really would like to use in court. mueller probably lost the