gregg miller's report. >> exactly. a total of five. we know senior administrators and cabinet members cannot operate effectively when we don't know what's occurred in that room. it's contrary to presidential practi practice, the historical practice of presidents. it's also disconcerting when we have the fbi now having opened an investigation with president trump as the center of it. we know that he is possibly subjecting the will and the position of the united states for his own personal gain. >> okay. joel, the white house has suggested -- here's the reason trump guards his conversations. he does so because of all the leaks from the oval office and the meeting where he met with senior russian officials. trump talked about a class if ied terror plot and called james comey a nut job. those leaks are what made him more guarded with information.

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