the candidates as if kamala harris and cory booker both of whom i know. i know cory very well. as if they're the black candidates as opposed to people running with a policy agenda that can impact particular communities. black communities who are voting constituencies and acting and making decisions based upon their own needs in their own communities. >> as you listen to the conversations surrounding the candidates, does it sound different? >> it sounds different. i don't think that cory orca ma kamala or senator harris or booker is muting their racial identity. i think in so many ways they're following abrams lead. she did not leave the particularity of who she is in order to run. she came into the election as a black woman. she ran on an agenda without having to put that aside. i think what we saw with kamala harris announcing on mlk day and