folks there. those career lawyers at the justice department, they've got twisted into a vice by barr in connection with the census. that was unconscionable. and at the labor department, there are people who are trying to do great work. but folks at the top, the way they do it is they take power away from them. and basically businesses are -- they have cart blanche to write the rules. that's not how it's supposed to be. >> tom perez is the dnc chairman. but for the purposes of this conversation, he is a former labor secretary under president obama. coming up, new nbc news "wall street journal" polling shows srmt elizabeth warren is gaining popularity with democratic voters. we are going to look at what the numbers mean for the democratic nomination. you are watching msnbc. e watchic who used expedia to book the vacation rental that led to the ride ♪