Transcripts For DW Business 20240714

Hello and welcome to the d w debates of the World Economic forum to our viewers watching us from home were coming to you from the most visited city in Africa Cape Town my name is edith q money now according to u. N. Figures by the year 2050 every 2 out of 4 people will be african well thats quite staggering when you think about it does that then mean that if the population is going to quadruple here that our data will also quadruple and what does that mean for the future of data on the continent this morning were asking the question is data africas new oil and im going to be helped to answer that by my Student Panel and im going to be introducing them now im joined by sylvia my carry on my extreme right shes the head of geospatial technologies on the cofounder of have to undergo 6 base in kenya but also joined by mr alex new who is the managing partner and chairman at 80 kindy if youve been to the World Economic forum a few times you might have seen his face. On my right my immediate right is mr moritz on meds he is the managing director and the head for the center for the 4th Industrial Revolution right here at the World Economic forum host and also doubling up as a panel member thank you and last but not least france corneas is the cofounder and chief executive officer of data profit based here in south africa thank you all for joining us. So more let me start with you were asking the question that africas oil why that comparison is that even a fair one. I would go a step further and say data is the oxygen oxygen for the. 4th and that sort of revolution because if you look at the developments an Artificial Intelligence particularly around 2016 with very little data we have demonstrated that we can crack potentially do some of the most difficult challenges we face today from increasing our grid culture yields reducing Energy Consumption infer improving congestion and maybe accelerate to cure for cancer and data is the source for a lot of these potential developments so in our view in my view there is the oil its probably the oxygen or the 4th Industrial Revolution and theres a huge potential as you say in africa were talking about potential but france youre someone whos actually already harnessing the power of data can you talk to me about what you do what data provide absolutely so a lot of the work that we do at that profit focuses on analyzing manufacturing data which is a really interesting field when you look at the amount of data it created as manufacturing as the sectors in fact that it produces the most amount of data which it was in the african context and shocked the way we will grow what we say is you know largely manufacturing hubs across the world from africa its still very you also doing something similar and have to undertake and theres an interesting article you wrote about how data is already helping us fight Climate Change in africa. Product so at hampton a lead to what we are focusing on we worked with the wonder government and most particularly the Agricultural Ministry in one is seeing the editor in collaboration with said late imageries to ensure that they have the correct information and where particular crops are being planted saw for Climate Change that in the data helps countries or organization determine when to plant and when not to plant therefore awaiting west saw in that manner you are trying to tackle the whole idea of Climate Change and ensuring that you transcend that by using beater to to make sure you making better does the show ends at the right time so if on the hierarchy of means data and the human touch which comes 1st more a. I think they go together because with data we can really have human centric solutions. Is not just coming from people obviously its important but theres a potential as we heard before to harness data from things as well and if you combine things that are environment lifestyle data personal data would control or create a better economy that benefits the people of africa and also create an environment for startups create opportunities for young people to get into new fields alex i want to come to you now because were talking in the context of africa these startups were in one of the biggest hobbs right now but these tech initiatives are often limited to either city or enterprise level how do we make sure that africa as a whole is enjoying the benefits. If you think about the data as a Strategic Asset Just Like Oil and oxygen youve got to create it youve got to collect it and youve got to protect it and if data is like oil what would you do if someone was taking your Oil Every Day selling it back to you and you could protect it you can protect the pipes and i think thats the issue for africa to unlock the potential is not just finding the right best applications for the future learning from the world having the Public Private partnerships every rackauckas about but also having a sensible data framework what are the rules who also. Who decides who owns the day who prices the data who collects the data where do you stored safely and in a safe environment i think we can come about later i think there are some areas to deep bottleneck for africa that allows more cross border trade clear rules on data authenticating customers and suppliers and transactions or the like so theres a little bit of on this topic i think theres 2 parts of my brain optimism and theres also why theres a lot of things that need to change in order to take advantage of the some of these applications ok so let me stay with you youre saying we need a little bit of skepticism and when it comes to the issue of data at the moment are we applying that balance correctly and i think we need more than skepticism i think a fair amount of paranoia. You know data is a weapon. And if you dont think you own the data now you someone else owns it and if you dont collect in to protect it someone already has. Just this past week we talked about google identifying obviously they have a conflict of interest in some sense that saying i phone for 2 years had a malware that was spying on you. We have all the sort of global trade issues regarding sort of who is spying on to in terms of equipment in the technology of the 4th Industrial Revolution. I think facebook just had to pay a 200000000. 00 fine for allowing players bad players to sort of violate child privacy laws so the intrusion of data data is borderless and some of our laws are within countries and theres 54 countries here and in africa and as i looked at the figures in 2019 of the 54 countries only 24 had any form of formal data legislation in terms of frameworks for how to cope how to create collect and protect it and the rest either have draft legislation no legislation or no data so thats its not skepticism its sort of we have to get our act together as a continent in the context of the Free Trade Agreement and the spirit of collaboration to be able to enable this cross border vision into a regional bloc that Everyone Wants to create the jobs and the like all right sylvia i want to come to you because i think the data is actually going to see that it is the oxygen on the fucking dust of what you said but how do you make something valuable that everyone has access to. Thank you so currently as we look at it from there have turned a late express back to you is in the african continent and most particularly african governments we have a lot of legacy technologies that do not have the potential to harness the data that is required for them to make valuable and quality decisions so currently we advice anybody who wants to get into that space to put the point where they get going to analyze that data is do you want to have the infrastructure that is going to one is this data so we have to start with the infrastructure that is going to enable you to acquire the kind of detail youre going to analyze at the end of the d. Then from that point ts then when you decide which kind of insights youre going to draw for you to make the kind of decisions you want to make so more outlets come to you because youll get has already touched on some of the challenges in your mind one of the big ones for africa when it comes to collection and management of storage of data and i want to comment on what. And i agree with your paranoia because theres a risk that nations or continents that generated or. Potential good use for their citizens and countries using Artificial Intelligence and deep learning will take off and there is a risk that those countries will have the data but cannot harness it because of lack of technology or dont have the data will be forever left behind so we will see a world where those countries will jump forward and others will have the potential of permanently falling behind so thats an opportunity and a challenge we have so the idea is to really create the infrastructure to generate data and this is where technologies like 5 g. And internet of things come into play but i think it needs to be a National Strategy not left to individual companies because its too big and pick an instrument that feels if it can instrument the oceans we can collect a lot of data and improve our great culture as i mentioned oceans and health and in terms of who owns the data who makes money out of it if you look at some of the Platform Companies their market valuations are bigger than the g. D. P. s of all african countries so theres value in the data the question is how do we turn that into value for the owners of the data who gets to decide it so we have a theory it was actually inspired by rely im a musician oh and heres and i have been here yes so we work with people on the panel and he said their outlook any time somebody uses my music i get residual value out of it what can we do it for data ok well come to that idea in just a short 2nd but everyone seems to be talking about infrastructure france do you feel that the South African government is supporting this sector or are you by you know its its from a Data Infrastructure component its quite interesting especially kind of coming out of an african context in the sense that all of that person is actually writes we dont have the necessary infrastructure weve got the news or infrastructure to move data. Not actually persis it and so when you look at the big date servers im is than with their web services its a sure with in microsoft none of those sense is on africa yet or it gradually thats beginning to change an as of the beginning of for this your infect marks of has begun to will data centers but even then its very much focused with and so theyre not with the nape brought a concurrent to extra it so how do we contract ourselves in this factual order from being broad date up print euthanize to being muck if he does or tension e its its a its a difficult thing or its the 1st one and i agree with sylvia and histon good earlier with we actually need to implement the infrastructure that creates a lot of the data and right now were working or. Old infrastructure which isnt producing the data in a minute that is set up for good purposes and then once youve created that almost those pipes right all lets talk about within the oil and energy you want to create the. Extraction of oil from the ground in this context the extraction of data then youve created the demand for the refinery which all these persons since into his throat yeah i was going to say i mean there is a real world example thats being rolled out even yesterday by the Regional Business council the World Economic forum which is called the Africa Growth platform so it takes morass point about taking a Global Platform that small and Medium Business and entrepreneurs in africa young and old millennial then generation 0 or older than that like me can actually enable collaboration get some of the best tools and the like its like and and the founders of this consortium are very intriguing youve got alibaba then if bank were very lucky to be a part of it as well dahlberg in a few others and i dont have the names right here but i mean its very exciting and thats something that government Public Private partnerships can build a platform to enable to jobs and also protect and nurture the small and medium sector which i think is the heart beat of any khan and me but especially for africa since we dont have you dont have the the global export economics that east asia had 20 years ago its really got to be africa for africa and this type of platform taking the best of the technologies and the best energies of entrepreneurs like here can make it work as a great example i think its its real time but i mean at the moment those platforms dont exist so the real question where is where is our data who has it and what are they doing with it theres not much straight out the moment it. Needs to be extracted and collected and its an opportunity and right and i think data and infrastructure should be treated as electricity roads and Health Care Like high priority strategy strategic infrastructure for the government so the potential is there that is locked up theres not much of it and thats the huge upside and theres also the Downside Risk and if we dont do it Small Medium Enterprises wont be able to keep up. Almost jumping in. Our green totally with the idea that data dump you right now is locked up its in storage its not it hasnt been built to be used by data purses right its been built for complaints perspective right honey so thats to say the Insurance Industry as a Insurance Company i need to report to some governing body as to my liability rights im going through collect just the set of data that is required to answer that question and im going to store it in that Data Warehouse without any context all of the people that are potentially enrolled on mine surance product rights and thats how ive designed what Data Infrastructure i have and designed it to law say other enterprises or even within my own into price to consider how i can use the state to to create further value it just looked at it from my reporting perspective and its almost when you look at Data Infrastructure you can see 2 mindsets and really theres an older one which census on were going to risk the states or were going to store it you can always going to reference that its not set up to interact with simply and then theres a shifting mindset towards actually data can continuously create value if you build it in a manner where you can give it the necessary context you can kind of think a little bit wider than just the narrow compliance questions you need to answer so that that brings me back to more and this idea that you have having a Central Place where people can trade data. Yeah so i cases is that if you treat that as a commodity much like oil and allow for people to share their data ourselves our data the question is how do you value the thing because it doesnt have built in value so we said what if we again taking off from the lambs point we said how do we create value assigned value to data when it doesnt have an Intrinsic Value so we said how do you value coffee or oil or tea or any minerals that theres a system called commodity exchanges so we said what if we trade data but you cannot trade data because of privacy and volume so we said can we create an alternative kind of a reference and here technologies like block chain come in handy we can create a token exchange so the idea is let me give an example and south africa an african continent has a large gene pool diverse and if you can collect there by these genetic data i think most of us would volunteer to give it free of charge for curing cancer. And but if somebody wants to build a medicine i want to have my consent asked for and im paid so if you can touch the data and i can say if i can put on my data like music anyone wanting to use it for Cancer Research can use it for ever i dont want any money but for other purposes as for my consent we can actually do that technically so when somebody launches a Cancer Research application im thinking about an app store that is certified the data it makes itself available but if its for Drug Discovery i get notified i say you can use it for 6 months and then because my data is traded at an Exchange Using their proxy i get paid the value for that purpose and it goes up and down and they can trace it back to me so i get paid and the finance ministers are happy because they can tax the transaction so it creates an equitable platform and it benefits the owners of the data not just the Platform Companies and it also allows for startups to come in and harness the power of data and that can create a huge wave of innovation and Employment Opportunities for young people i have to say i really like that idea but youre talking about an averaging privacy for data to be used you know in a bigger context right or perhaps even curing cancer but sylvia i have to ask are we prepared for this i mean ive heard it said that if the challenge for small data was privacy then the challenge for big data is safeguarding our free real that the Predictive Technology will be so good that i wont even know if my thought i might. I dont think we yet radio for that we havent gotten to that level yet the countries that are ready to embrace that but. The general feeling of the population ages you using my deed to manipulate me and that is the general feeling we have as a population wild white and to get to the point where we trust that someone igs going to to use our data to benefit us then we have to get to a point where we trust whoever owns our data and they have to show us we obviously have a. Different organization having poli sci and regulation that you have to to tick sometimes you just check that policy and just stick without reading what youre sharing or just the policies pages could be 100. 00 pages you dont end up reading all those you you never know whether you saw your small saw how do you ensure that you have very many more pages to read to understand that your data is not going to be manipulated or be used against you ok if this is basically like us accepting cookies writing style used to accept cookies long before i knew what they were to be honest im still writing about cookies or. But when we talk about you know this concept of big data Digital Literacy comes into play. For a population of africa as who are. Sometimes trying to get onto the grid sometimes not in the chase how do you bring them on to the table in a fair way and. Well i mean that you put your finger on some key structural issues in africa which is the Digital Divide so on the one hand there is a part of the population has that has access to Global Internet platforms and high speed in mobile etc and theres a large portion of has no access so if you want people to opt in on some of the Business Models that in iraq come in and on and provide their data and monetize it to prioritize it you have a fundamental mismatch right now in terms of the availability of all the information that could be possible. You know i think im going to comment a bit also on this theme that it is coming through here which is the tension between data if its available to all the population and the personalization options you want Better Service they know what you need the company can provide with ai techniques a better and more adaptive product line and Service Experience and the other hand privacy rights so do you opt in to people opt you in and the like because it has huge implications for not only your day to day life but also just democracy itself but you know in my country we talk about intrusion of the voter population if you dont have the access how do you know and you have Global Players who dont have the best intentions they know more about your voter population in a democracy than in the countries do i mean you have of thats a big issue for use availability of the services right now because i think the real time example of cambridge and its a kind theyve all been together now we know how that would work out so this is obviously a very scary concept are we putting enough thought into this as government. Do you feel that for example static as a region is sitting down and collectively thinking about this issue. Well were seeing some initial policy being drafted i mean within the context of south africa we see the poppy act which shares a lot in common with in the context of g. D. P. And its gradually being implemented over moving quick enough is or is the question right its an implementation policy its like that and you know its generally the sense that its not yet kind of being will implement to accept or etc worlds in the process rather. And i think thats a general sentiment shared cross that broader region is that while we know what we need to do its a matter of seeing it implemented so weve been talking about the examples of how data can go right but what happens when we get it wrong when the analytics and not correct what happens for example sylvia when your big machine is leaning more towards one metric and the value another can we trust that data and some very good question. Obviously the machines are created by the statistical model which are the machines created by humans and humans can decide to be evil or nice saw how a pic or a person needs also comes into play in encouraging the statistical models that learn over time and then theyre the ones who decide which decide. What to get but youre going to get on your feed or which kind of information is going to be short on your feet so it depends on who is creating that machine and what that intent at the end of the day its the person creating the machine so how do we judge the ethics of a machine thats been built by an ethical person the question is whos ethics mean within south africa i dont know if we can come up with a common ethics framework that along around the world and in the case of Machine Learning an Artificial Intelligence the people are not writing the algorithm its being derived from the data so to make sure that the data is not biased its coming from trusted source is key and we have a concept right now we cannot control the algorithms there to vote by and its called a black box and i problem and a lot of money is being spent on transparency so we said how do we prevent bad stuff from happening now and we looked around and we saw electricity if you Touch Electric wires you die. But what made electricity is safe is this Circuit Breakers it was Insurance Companies of america that got fed up by paying for fire damages an early 20th century they said while we need to enforce this product called they created Underwriters Laboratories and the insurers tall the companys if to a if you dont use undivided laboratories you al certified Circuit Breakers were not going to ensure your sit was a market force that gave us safer dichter city so we have an initiative that are center to create and equivalent weve called it they ethics which by embedding ethics caught into a these Smart Devices its quite technical it can be done and we think thats a good way to prevent bad things from happening and in this case every country can defined their ethics rules and we asked for the manufactures to conform to that and were can use insurance mechanism to enforce that so that work isnt away its not solved but its a fundamental question is how do we ensure that we have an ethical world and whose ethics and how do we and forced that yeah france to what extent do you think about this when your incrementing these meshing of thing you know well you know its its i mean from from my perspective when it comes down to ethics theres an interesting debate going on as to with it be human in the purse is the person developing that oh group them rights should be subscribing to something similar to the hippocratic oath rights with it they should take it on themselves to be ethical through that an almost its a little bit nerve wracking from a perspective because its wonderful that data science as is science has been quite being made very widely available through online resources i but i think the should be some recognition as to the level of influence that those daves so interests have upon society your rights and almost it go so far as to say the should be son you know coming back to the the in interests tea and analogy its the circuit brick at but its also the certified to nutrition rights its like haunt im not a certified it which i cannot install plot points in my own place right. But on you know i can work with states and in fact anyone can work with that and influence outcomes which so i would like to see almost something come from the perspective of just reminding the data practitioner or them subscribing to something to say work that you do is influential in other peoples most ok so as were looking at the data value chain at the moment to think that the cost audience a certainly not in africa the ones who are writing the algorithms the ones who are. Influencing us as it were so how big is the threat of digital colonization for africa in the future. Yeah well i mean i think its its a danger. I mean there are very powerful entities with power with information with data scientists with engineers that are thinking about how to game the system and game countries and game markets. So i think you know we have to be on sort of red alert to be able to protect you know what you want to do put it practically in the industry and in the economy ok and its not just a threat for africa if you look at Platform Companies mostly in the United States and in china and nowhere else so it is a Global Challenge and so if you dont act now i think we may be at a point where it may be too late and how do we stop acting as individuals not even as government well i think government policy plays a key role in the vigils will not be able to do much on this we have the infrastructure to make it happen on our part were working with several african governments top and center here in south africa and then one day to accelerate the policymaking and somebody asked me if this was another think tank and i said we need to be a do tank we just need to put our heads down and get going and try these new framework so nows the time to take action and requires as alex mention Public Private collaboration we need to have academic we need to have faith leaders we need to have start ups the young generation to be part of the solution but we just need to roll up our sleeves and start working on these issues ok we have just about 13 minutes left for this discussion so i want to ask the question i started to be more at do you think that data is africas new oil. The potential is there as you said the population is there their willingness is there the opportunity is there and i see developing this from the political leaders and the Business Community to take advantage of that and if it is indeed the new oil how does africa protect itself from another resource. We should look at around the world no country has an advantage were at the starting point so nobody has this advantage even in china we are working closely in china as well you may think that they have a lot of data but if you look at cancer for example they say that each cancer type is a rare disease they dont have enough data genetic data out of 1000000000 plus people to cure cancer so theres a need to collaborate so no country can do it alone and i think africa does not have a time disadvantage and it has the attitude and it doesnt have the legacy of the 3rd Industrial Revolution so we can jump forward and really direct our resources towards that future. So were talking about a future that your ag i mean this is you know well do you exist in it where does the potential life for the continent. Its white in all industries i can see its in health its in agriculture transportation and Everything Else but then we have to be as i mentioned. The african governments have to be intentional if the what should be protectionism of its people then let it be because they can be very beneficial and very fragile at the same time very volatile where someone can use it against you as you mentioned we dont want it to be another cause for the continent as its been for the longest time saw governments have to be intentional and make sure that they have we have the africans owning their own data and using them using the data to solve their own problems ok france id like to ask you the same question where do you think the highest area of opportunity is when it comes to be creating africa so very much to work in iraq was saying earlier the field is brand new roads no one has established themselves from a different. Perspective as the leaders in the space there are why its sort of opportunity. For anyone to kind of. In that regard i think within the context of africa we have these centers of excellence. And to maybe kind of give a practical view on the larger one of the kind of main services. Web services was built in cape town so we have the tenants and what these pockets of excellence and if we can if if we can through good policy kind of coops interaction with the Academic Community develop this skills base and wrought with the capacity to do good data science in africa i think theres a big opportunity for africa to almost step forward into that environment right. And by the way whats been your experience when it comes to skilled labor. I was stepping up to the plate absolutely its its been great force with predominantly from my employer all this of the other conspirators that we finally Tertiary Education has worked very well theres a lot of work going on on the ground about just uplifting also from the High School Level into the sunspace. Its quite interesting just to see the different institutions to see just retooling and wrapping their mind around the science as a skill set and id like to ask so for the same question whats your experience been working in east africa when it comes to skilled labor. And support for our team its generally made up of east africa we tend to call ourselves the East African Community and most of us have skills through engine from cybersecurity data science and from mit kind of came along and currently kind of you melanies based in rwanda and theyre training and focusing on data science on all sorts of skill sets for for the region and they are training mostly africans enough we got to make sure that we saw on problems all right so weve been talking about this future in africa if the ideal happens and the infrastructure is set up we have the policies wheres the money coming from well its coming from the innovation and entrepreneurship spirit of a lot of folks that are not in this room i mean the idea is and im an optimist at heart if we get the data policy and Regulatory Framework right if we get the commitment as a group and constituencies to real cross border digital trade if we commit to actually having Cyber Security and raise our game approach as a continent as a set of interviews government or private sector i think that if you get the platform piece done. Then all the innovation the refining aspect of the oil equation right all these great applications in the food sector the Health Sector the Public Sector the services sector. I think. There is an opportunity for a wave of job creation and entrepreneurship which is really exciting. I think as you mentioned i mean its still early days and theres a lot of moving parts and what i would ask all of us as committed in concerned folks around the development of africa. The urgency urgency is really critical here it starts with awareness and i think thats building there has to be a sense of more paranoia but then theres a specific concrete commitments on the policy side and nurturing the job creation piece you know we talked about the skills in asia where i spent a fair amount of time in the 1990 s. I saw a lot of parallels but all this opportunity but there was much more of focus on education at the state of the stand science levels and i think that needs to be picked up. Thats another ingredient we didnt talk about as much you know sort of Core Educational Skills Development to be able to enable the entrepreneurship to enable the data and analytics startups and new business is up there and some of them are great ideas i wish i could invest in some of them already but theres a lot to do and its got to be realistic about that in we have to pick up our game as a collection and as individual companies and industries do you think africa is ready. Its getting ready i cant speak for africa im concerned that or i would be concerned that. You have such a complex africa is not one country right its not one cohort it theres so many issues and alike. But getting ready is the game and i believe in the underlying fundamentals of the economies and the people. But there needs to be some very specific interventions on the data data policy side more act you have another fascinating idea which is beyond capitalizing on data aimed what is that about yeah so we were talking to japanese governments the concept of free of marketplace is something were implementing in japan because its a necessity for them and then we talk about countries who lack data and how do we support them and right now for the crowd a lot of aids or aid for developing countries its in the form of infrastructure and we thought why dont we create data as an aid mechanism and open up a countrys dataset maybe japan can open up their data to other countries so that they can benefit from their use of their data and develop Machine Learning solutions for the benefit of their citizens and Small Medium Enterprises so think of it as Artificial Intelligence for a as the countries are developing their Data Infrastructures which we think they should but some countries may not be as big as nigeria or kenya or south africa they may not have the data. And so what are you doing what do we do as a Global Community do we leave them for ever behind so we develop decided off for aid and opening up data pools for these countries to be able to use in their own economies so its a concept its gotten a lot of support from a number of countries including japan and india and as we made infrastructure for the state a marketplace concept we can open up their data pools for specific purposes for other countries and i think we can deliver it much faster than traditional Infrastructure Projects and theres a lot of support for that ok so we are how does this sound to you is this a concept that you would buy and i feel Like Fighting with but is fine you know its. Really its a concept that is really necessary if a tall those countries own their own data and as from seed we have to develop our own. The a w ss of this world they are based in africa for africans otherwise our data will never be in the continent forever so its a good idea as long as but based in the african continent and controlled by the africans could you potentially see africa being the one to deliver the data as opposed to receiving it if the training is focused on the african continent by having the skills the skill transfer to the africans who will be able at least to drive these idea then i feel like it to be a very. Good thing to look at so we agree we have. Ok we have 2 minutes left and i just want to ask my panelists to all of you just tell me what you think the future is for africa when it comes to data and what we can do to harness the power that will stop if you are the kind of worker with the soviet union as i said beginning i think theres 2 parts of the brain that you have to keep in balance one is the opportunity side of things its early days in terms of the implications of the 4th Industrial Revolution that i think theres some great leapfrog applications for africa in all the sectors that are relevant small and medium innovation the rural sector making that more productive the fin tech sector is already an area which is the highly mobile to. And a tray should know how do you can you know extend that to the female and under represented populations in all of the economic potential of africa so im very optimistic on the applications of Data Analysis targeting against Certain Applications doing great things for for all the groups of society. And on the paranoia and urgency side i think there are sensible things policy steps to move forward there that are not impossible to achieve if there is commitment. So i mean i think kind of almost doubling down on the opportunity that exists to participate in data science in a global level. Kind of this is great as this creates space. Open up to africa from a job opportunity rights and point opportunity where we participates within africa but also globally and that takes a bit of can focus within the context of training up full data science but that space exists not on us and i think in the future if we drive towards that environment we can do a lot of work towards bringing africa forward and throwing a lot with my contacts on the science thats kind of talking to the point on the mobile Networks Africa from that perspective. You like to think kind of leads a lot of the thinking around but banking yeah just because we can actually step straight into the mobile Network Space as opposed to the cop was right let me get to Martin Sylvia because were running out of time theres no role model for this it hasnt been done before and i think its time for africa to act now if we dont it may be too late so the opportunity is there and i sense of urgency to get going sylvia. I would say a lot of tension no thinking our own base and Skills Development to make sure that the african continent especially the african governments are focused on making sure that the problems they need to follow are thought about intentionally using data thank you very much to the panel thank you to the audience right here and of course to those of you who are watching us from home and online thank you for tuning in. To the conflict zone with tim sebastian. Here in london still all about bricks of course johnson shut down a fractious and angry column of my guest here this week is andrew bridge a conservative m. P. And leading critic says supporter who Boris Johnson say below the parliament has put in front of him. To its. With its own gravitational pull down. The finest musical compositions. With some mysteries to raise. Film industry was into them dont tell me that thats the road. And the joint should come up in the morning blame em. Repeal the sins of your highness. 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