A government like that still does the support of the west. Welcome to called lets go right last april donald trump challenged complements on your main rival in libya only for half that which clearly shocked you and yet you claim to come back with a message that the us was still behind you whats the evidence for that well be we believe that weve been a us ally for quite a long time we were fighting side by side to fight and isis and libya times change the kurds as well where time of change because we cannot apply what happened in syria and libya and im talking about how alliance is coming up. Mr. Trump said that he appreciated mr have to a significant role in fighting terrorism their shared vision for libyas transition to a stable democracy high praise from the leader of the western world for your main enemy isnt that standing by you its a pretty lukewarm way of standing by and. We say those things about you know we still believe that. The administration of United States that mr ation of the white house believed some wrong mistakes so long messages have been around about have tour and his fighting terrorism i think the force in the us is badly informed yes i think the brizard and by the informed and i believe that the message passed yesterday from the Foreign Ministers would libyan Foreign Ministers and the libyan internal ministers they want to see libyan stable and the problem in libya certain through a political process yeah but they dont necessarily want you to win any more do they. The issue is not winning a war we are fighting for what you want to talk to have to really be ruled out talking to no its not the relations between the genie government and have to order a government of national yes then after our government we believe that the libyan people should went for bringing libya to stability to have a democratic countries to have a country which rules by law and not getting back to a military rule is for the good you says as we saw in june that just as life editor you flatly rejected the idea of talking to have to have stuck cant be trusted you said talking with after is out of the question we need a bar as what you said when you go to Peace Process you need a partners and it was after he wants you to talk so youre not on the same page there well why should want you to talk no washington said that washington story wasnt a did not say that we want to they want us to talk with after and wasnt and say the. The political process should be peacefully not through a military. You know attacking tripoli is not the solution they did say the state Department Official said in april the u. S. Is consulting with a broad range of libyan leaders as well as our International Partners to put press for stabilization and bring Prime Minister else iraq and general have to back to the negotiating table so they want you to talk this you think they stay in the same position after 88 months of fighting around tripoli after all the attack on hospitals and schools after all their lives there we lost from both sides on that i think the u. S. Message is completely different today i think they want to look at who are causing this war or libya and whos. Because in this brochure world you hope its different but you have no evidence that its different in june we had the acting u. S. Defense secretary Patrick Shanahan also saying what weve said before what i do support is fieldmarshal have to support in terms of his role in counterterrorism but where we need to support is in building democratic stability in the region so there talking still talking about multi players talking to each other yes but at the same issue have to send a clear message to everybody that he dont want to democracy in libya he want to rule libyans for quite sometimes until he see that libya stable to go for them crossing i think this is a conflict with in what you exactly say from the foreign minister or. The defense minister youve been pushing the message for a long time the g. N. A. S. Been pushing the message for a long time that you can win and that you will finally beat him back outside of tripoli and he knows the game is over he doesnt seem to know that the game is over why have you misled people like this will you think we mislead people i believe after 8 months he did not succeed to get into tripoli after 8 months of fighting with all the support that have to get in from outside libya he didnt win that he didnt get a libya in tripoli he said that i will be in tripoli in 2 days and he said that repeatedly the g. And a is above the past now we are since the 4th of april was almost for 8 months he did not succeed and its look at that way around the sematic whats driving this conflict isnt just the failure to hold talk its the fact that the war economy developed over many years has made libyas militia groups absurdly rich and they refused to give this up and that includes militias that are allied to your government as well when we had a clear program. To clean up tripoli and clean up libya from militia and our program stop you havent got every phone will we start in the in february with our internet ministers but unfortunately have to attack and the 4th of april and make all disputed graham just stand and stop so its clear that he want to cause he want to use any excuse to attack to anybody does not a problem of militia not a problem for economics when the g n a government came to power the production of oil was just 120 better the day to day we are talking about one to 1000000 200000 barrel a day when we came to go in libya they libyan currency had a lot of problems lets. Talk about these militia groups because in october the world bank said there was now an open war in your country for power and wealth capture and report after report has suggested that only the militia groups hold sway in your country that the Prime Minister has little if any real power over the whole country or indeed the forces which are a stance of under his control power rests mostly in the hands of the militia cartel this is the view of the small arms. Well a 1000001 side and one side the whole ward stand by the chimney politically in public announcement but under the table many of the countries are supporting this militia and thats why we have to problems we want a clearance from the rest of the world and the country who are helping us in 2011 that there really stand by the governor rest of my world is peeling knew to cut your links with these corrupt militia groups who you continue to ally with yeah but the still were going to show him something to this country is they make this will it diminish or strongest and this is exactly what were looking for that in better lean process theyd stop helping different than the government of libya whos helping whos up. In this many countries which European Countries our neighbor countries and some arab countries so so youre blaming it on the on the europeans that you have close ties with murdering militia groups who extort who fire off their weapons against civilian areas its all europes fault is it and that they are deeply involved in the corruption of your administration well they dont trust the government they believe that some of the militia are stronger than the government and they made good will they improved havent they. Well they dont prove it when they have to attack tripoli everybody was allying with the government to different the capital from the military rulers who want to rule the country take the back are a battle and it was ordered by the g. N. A. T. Disband after its leader repeatedly involved in fighting tripoli he took no notice the special Deterrence Force this is a group that detained 2 journalists for questioning and arrested others without warrant one of its commander said we cant act as if the government were in a position to give us orders in other words they take no notice of you so thats how thats how much influence you have on these militias we need time to bring our military together we need time to make our security better you shouldnt of got into bed with these deeply corrupt violent also. Bad and with this militia disposition was existing before the general government even exist we came in by our would with more than 30 or 35. 00 militia in tripoli now we have only a few more less than 3 or 4 in tripoli and now under your government a cartel of 4 major militia groups have gradually divided up the capital between themselves and they now hold you and the government of National Accord ransom to their changing demands and the endless feuds and corruption well i think you have some good information but some of your information is quite old since that back after of tripoli everybody is united under the umbrella of the general we dont have militias who. Has both as your reporter explained your own interior minister by shaka. He blurted it out during an interview in january he said his interior Ministry Budget forced under the control of militia groups by force thats what he set the ministries expenses have reached 300000000 dinars and widespread corruption was found so he said his Ministry Budget belongs to one when mr bush of our our ministers say that the holy war should say that he started. To clean up his minister from this corrupted militia clean and youre government is rotten to the core with these people involved in your budgets taking over your budgets by force its rotten to the core isnt it thats why we have a new ministers thats why he started his work around the last mars so Everybody Knows that you cannot clean up from 30 militia in one day you wake up and you have all things done you need dimes and the process. And the extortioners going on youve let it happen and they have over the years the last 2 years they have extorted in attempted to extort huge sums of money from the government you have to look at the whole story the government of genie came to power in 2016 was outside to tripoli came to tripoli clean up between body from a lot of militia started this war against isis insert after all after he says he is after reading your body. And i have to say you have to also you have to say that he clean a bungalow as he done there but never mention that that insert he done the job we done the job after only 4 months of arriving in tripoli at the same time as your militia groups are extorting from you you know that exactly when the country is invited you have to work 1st and you have to have priorities which our border to cleaning up the country from isis or fighting the militia mr matic if you dont stand for law and order and then into corruption you dont stand for anything at all no we really dont we do but we get to our country and our country had a long war with isis for more than a year and a half once we done with isis we started up to rebuild our Financial Institutions and when we get to our Financial Institution we find a problem with asia and we have problems with our Oil Production at the same time we find have to attacking oil field and we dont want to go in conflict with him because we have our internal problem with the mission so we have a boy or at least as i explained to you we have a priority isis issues arising the production of oil making the life of libyans better and of course we have to clean up our country from militia and they are controlling of our many of those are usually wrong way round because these militia groups have carried out extrajudicial executions they have attacked civilians and civilian properties. And abducted tortured and disappeared people maybe you should have started with them our we have the world and the hold and the hold they have on your government minutes we have a problems with our borders we have a problem is with refugees we have a problems of Illegal Immigrants we have a problems to make our libyan currency for the 6 millions flippy and their life critters to improve their economies we have to find a way to have you know step one and the time we cannot do it all at the same time. How can you claim them to be any kind of legitimate to authority when your own affiliates murder and steal their way around your country with absolute impunity none of these militia groups have been brought to account theres no intention to bring them to account is that of course you could have taken some of the leaders you could have put them on trial if you were really serious about doing something yeah and you bet your capital your own capital at the risk at the same time there isnt a terrorist attacking other city in libya so but there we were going to ask at the end of the day are you worth saving as a government are you really worth it of course were worth of make the life to have been better we saved a life people uncertain we live for you we make the life of the libyans instead of having what one dollars for 40 dollars today is for dinner is for one day you know what when will you live better than a 3rd of your people want to leave the country well one of them want to leave your country well because the people who are out of the country who are helping the other side attacking the capitals and making the live libyan war and causing a proxy war in libya and what about cleaning up the appalling treatment of many thousands of migrants in your country in june the un high commissioner for human rights urged you to nohant an immediate investigation into the disappearance of more than 150 migrants from the Detention Center under the oversight of your department for combating illegal migration fact is that 203 people were delivered the may the 23rd by june the 7th the facility reported that only 30 were left what happened to these people when we have a lot of immigrants from libya who was not staying there and the dead center says particularly disturbing that was the light of the fact that immigrant migrants are being sold into forced labor to smugglers who promise them transit you have been theyre being sold from the other homes and that libya alone cannot deal with them a concession. Disses you cant deal with slave this is no no you cant do is lay this is every word had done we have no proof of it ok and we work closely with our you know ministers you have no authority you know this is going on here youve known for the last 2 years it was good no this is not right this is not this is false information we have no slavery in libya we have no what saw call a slavery issue or libya we have to work with the International Community what is there what is an illegal and you are you know when i was on your i was not what all the reports have been saying they dont all are being sold to people trafficker traffickers and women are being sold for Sexual Exploitation you denial that you we have no information as a government otherwise we do our job how come they have much more information than you they are better informed than you will whereas they are when the government is working closely with the International Community to save the lives in the middle of the mediterranean seas where does this reports when our coast guard would just very few visitors that we have we save 1000 the fly every morning and every day where dissident boards when we try to help this immigrants and the middle of Sahara Desert bring their life to more stable and leave libya we have more than 800000 women into libya and theyve closed we would libyans with all of the reports weve been the you know a lot weve been working a lot to save the life of immigrants we believe that we should have better reports and bit of understanding of the problems if the International Community is committed and willing to work with the libyans not sending audio messages about steven in libya we have been progress is a lot d on the lot from europeans but nothing been done many of the sense to so your denying responsibility for the so im not denying responsibility of something to happen and we are responsible for it as a government of libya we will do our best and we are committed to work with the International Community in. The life of the immigrants is better but what they will be and what the International Community done or this is why they are accusing the libyans as the way why they did not do what they have to do with the libyans when we as it is of we ask for help to do our rebuttal graham they have theyve been giving you plenty of training in law has been given plenty of training and you and you and your coach they are yours european and European Committee many times a Committee Community many times that there are promises its very very very low then what they already promised us if you were doing so much yourself why do you continue to employ people in your coast guard whove been sanctioned by the un im thinking of one of your coast guard officials and the milat according to the sanctions in the sting from june last year he heads the regional unit of the coast guard in zawiya that is consistently linked with violence against migrant and other human smugglers why do you still employ these people i think there is a report coming from our minister of interior saying clearly that he is not an employee for a minister and turned the u. N. Panel of experts claims that he and other coast guard members directly involved in the sinking of migrant boats using firearms the u. N. Says this coast guard is consistently linked and you say you know nothing about it no i said our minister from terminal they have a clear statement that this man is not employee by the minister of internal. So who is employed by the coast gergen well he has the coast guard calling according to the sanctions listing says that he collaborates with other migrants smugglers such as mohammed catch lafe who sources suggest is providing protection to him to carry out illicit operations related to the trafficking and smuggling of migrants several people in criminal investigations have stated they were picked up at sea by armed men on the coast guard ship called tele ill used by millet and taken to the Detention Center where they are reportedly held in brutal conditions and subjected beatings he of course denies any wrongdoing. Of course if Something Like this happened we as a government condemned all of this kind of actions and if hes working with our minister of interior or our cause he should do band and chilled in 2017 the u. N. Secretary general appealed to your government to investigate reports of slaves being sold in libya and you personally you personally announced the setting up of a commission of inquiry to investigate where is this commission of inquiry of the commission the un has never heard of it yet the un had heard the whole report about it and i want mr instead of just to lead this commission and have a clear winner ground thats why so thats all you know is nobody you know we talked to including the un has never heard of this commission that was set up you say no we said it and the headed by them one minister frontier not and theyve done 2 public announcement about the whole report about slavery about what there is dont think its liberty in libya and this is was a for that symbolism isnt really in direct contradiction to all the reports that have pointed to it well for a city of reporters maybe you got only the 1st part of the report you dont follow up with the rest of the you cant even tell me where these people in comms went when you were contacted by the un and asked its pacifically earlier this year where did these people go to well you are talking about disappeared you did not disappear and they went out of their center well they said theres more than 800000 women couldnt live in libya outside the centers so you cannot claim disguised as went out of the center and theyre not leaving Good Condition in libya. The u. S. Embassy says that the endemic corruption in your government and the militia influence over government ministries has contributed to your inability to address trafficking effectively you have some responsibility for this you have responsibility for these migrants many of whom are kept in the palling conditions indefinitely subject to abuse beaten up some in conditions that amount to torture are you prepared one day to go into a court of law and justify why you kept people in these conditions as long as we have a formations about whats happening in this interests and thats why we have a regular visitor from the commissioner from new and different places we are doing our best to keep this up to a standard its not so i was you know it but sometimes sometimes it is difficult to deal with this wonder somebody attacking hospital and school in your town and your country you cannot. Talk about immigrants and their problems i know its an humanitarian tragedy and i would believe we will do our best despite that there is nothing being done from the International Community there is nothing being done there is no need help what you hear its easy always to blame some no im not blaming them were not blaming them with you we have a large want of the responsible we are we are we are an african nations and are up nations and the mediterranean and there is a responsibility lie on our shoulders as a government of libya but we are in time for and conflict and thats why we need the International Community to stand by us helping us to manage this fight its a big fight libya cannot deal with this fight alone and thats why we ask the International Community standards and get rid of the militias of course we need to end what we did it get the flu shot we need to get rid of the military rulers we need to have a better life of libya when government of National Call has been look at what the government of National Accord did look in 34 years name one government in the world then liberate a city like sirte from isis without any water on the ground help being diligent the libyan did that a lot the government beyond the war and that that of half tours of the capital as we have a bitter financial. And you have a long list and you have a long list of failures as well of course there is a very long im something im not fan go to even use the back you save reforms im not you agree last year yes i think fuel subsidies all the thing unifying the central bank failure to settle the teachers is not our failure to invest in basic services no electricity no no i said i said its very clear for me that we had a lot of Success Stories and we have a failure. We have a Success Story that we cant broadfoot we are very proud for the government but the same times we have a problems because there is there is very limited time to do all was there was a problems with conflict in libya there was always that the country has or doesnt want to be stable and there is a big challenge for government who are all during a conflict and during the present of isis and terrorism in the country ok with mighty Good Conflict so thank you very much weve run out of time thank you. To to. To. 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