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Do that when what needs to eat but the full. This is a virtue should you look at things. You see that you are actually delivering me a dream or we are together a trick its obvious that the alliance speaks to be renewed but you. Also coming up of the poison gas they claimed thousands of lives in bhopal india 35 years after the worlds worst industrial disaster angry calls for justice remain undiminished and an answer. These killers did not heed anything why have they not been brought to court why havent they been hanged they are responsible for this. One to our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States and all around the world welcome we begin the day as nato turns 70 in many ways the worlds most powerful military alliance after 7 decades of existence exhibits characteristics that you could expect from a person turning 7 you could call it the natives Senior Citizen syndrome those natives still matter at 70 how would tune is a Cold War Alliance to the 21st century us president dont draw month so long ago cold nato obsolete but he was not the 1st or last to suggest that nato has i didnt the issues or even exist until and sed similar questions were posed to be the only after the berlin wall fell and the soviet union fell apart most recently french president mccrone complained of a brain death at nato a result of americas disengagement in the us tonight nato at 70 how old or how young is the alliance really. Nato performs on an impressive scale exercises like this united and with clear leadership but the political reality often looks different better quotables occur frequently the latest on tag nest french president emanuel macron he criticized me to his brain day it in an interview with british news magazine the economist a damaging political slap in the face just before the meeting in london. Because on my call in micro is very media savvy and knows how these things work and he knows how to make his voice heard. Claire the timing before the meeting in london was chosen deliberately or it could look at on who you. The french president s remark was mainly aimed at turkey for its military operations undertaken without consulting nato partners turkey is a geo strategically important nato member but it has stepped out of line with its offensive in Northern Syria nato the only major western military alliance was paralysed to intervene another problem turkey has entered an arms deal with russia buying a Strategic Missile Defense System preview of war experts have agreed for months and even years that theres a problem with the alliance only a problem dollars. A problem that u. S. President donald trump has exacerbated time and again americas withdrawal from syria surprised the alliance showing that the most powerful and until name most reliable nato member is acting without consulting its European Partners in the normal problem of the now we have a problem with the americans a problem in the west with Transatlantic Relations why the american see the europeans knew thats the problem not the solution. Nato secretary general u. N. Stoltenberg is under pressure hes seeking a clear commitment from all members 1st Strong Alliance for stoltenberg its also a budgetary issue last years we have seen that have started to increase again more troops more exercises more investments stoltenberg also try to get mccrone on board during a short visit to paris but without success frances president repeated his criticism. That there probably needed to be a wake up call and im happy that i was able to spark a debate and that we can now think about our strategic goals. Objectives strategic but stoltenberg did receive support from barry lynn german chancellor Angela Merkel defended nato. And visit of is this time we depend on this Transatlantic Alliance and thats why its right for us to work for this alliance and take on more responsibility. 70 years since the Defense Alliance was founded the Global Security situation is much more complex than it was during the cold war tensions over u. S. Leadership alarm at turkeys small arming ties with russia and french doubts about nature is the viability the alines is our no pressure and not only from the outside. Now Catherine Martins reporting there lets bring in our correspondent max hoffmann he joins us from london tonight good evening to you max so nato at 7 and they have always been critics of the alliance but you wont find many people talking about nato celebrating its birthday is that justified realism or would you say due to excessive pessimism it seems like at the moment theyre trying to avoid a fight there sort of a truce going on here in london not to talk about the multiple problems that were also mentioned in that report by Catherine Martens and that plague the alliance but to say ok this is the 70th out of verse 3 lets talk about it later sort of you know in your uncle turned 70 and you know that the family members have some issues and they decide not to not to thats a fight during the party so it reminds me of that but you know that the world and the situation in which nato is today 70 years after its foundation is very different from the situation it was in up until the 1990 s. I want to ask you about what the french president said in that interview with the economist last month you know warning of brain death at nato as a result of u. S. Disengagement in the alliance whats the feeling among nato members now is is he telling the truth is he right. Almost every member state rejected that language including im going to back who usually isnt that outspoken also donald trump rejected it and the turkish president in his own drastic way even called him on you and i call himself brain dead because he said that but when it comes to what he meant by it that the foundation of nato isnt necessarily what it used to be than many of nato say he does have a point just take the simple example. The turkish that are part of the Alliance Call the kurds in Northern Syria terrorists but they are at the same time the allies of the americans so of Donald Donald trump and the military of the United States of america so indeed they dont necessarily have the same foundation theyre in this very good point that were going to be talking about a little bit later in the program as well the u. S. President donald trump hes accused other nato members of being free look is not paying their fair share for defense of nato hes also question nato whose usefulness how much damage would you say has been done by the u. S. President making those accusations. There has been a reversal of roles to some point donald trump no longer says that he thinks nato is useless apparently he has seen the use of it at least for his personal aims and in the here hes the one defending they dont. As opposed to invite him back home has been much more destructive in his narrative of nato in the last days but youre right about the spending. This is still a favorite topic of donald trump and well see how he deals with that on wednesday when the leaders actually come together the worked and thats when these issues usually come to the table meaning thats when he usually critic. Sizes germany for not spending those 2 percent of g. D. P. Or other european nations but of course if you look at the numbers theyve increased a lot since donald trump has taken office. 3 countries back that only met that goal of 2 percent of g. D. P. Now you have 9 countries and you know it makes we we can talk about many things that have changed including the u. S. President s position on nato but one thing that hasnt changed that is the soviet union or now russia russia remains the nemesis of nato that has not changed in in these past 70 years we would agree with that. Well there was a period where there was where they got a lot closer with russia just right after the fall of the berlin wall and up until you know even not a couple with 5 or 6 years ago the situation really changed been reading your putin decided to take action in Eastern Ukraine and also in crimea that was the turning point for the alliance some called it a wake up call and thats when russia was really officially identified as a threat to nato especially of course in the Eastern States of the Nato Alliance the Baltic States poland and that still remains the case but it was with what i mentioned earlier brant is that the world has gotten complicated its no longer just russia its also the threat from the south whats happening in syria its also china as will be officially mentioned tomorrow because were not only talking about the real world but also cyber space and thats why the americans for example will urge the europeans again not to do business with Chinese Companies as who away when it comes to installing at 5 g. Network in the european union. Our correspondent max hoffman joining us tonight from london where those 70th anniversary commemorations are taking place for nato max thank you. Well turkeys a military incursion into Northern Syria last october it is one of the latest issues putting strains on nato turkey considers the kurdish wife e. G. Militia in Northern Syria to be a terrorist group but the wife e. G. There are allies of the United States and they were keen to breaking the ice as caliph it or heres french president Emmanuel Macron with strong criticism of turkey delivered earlier today but is it going to the hospital. And is. This end of the belief on the day. When. They now find it in the. Fight with. Duty and sometimes they. Are. And if you did you know that was the french president there posing the question is my enemy also your enemy if we are both nato members will for more on this bring in steven cook hes a senior fellow for middle east and Africa Studies at the council on Foreign Relations in washington d. C. Good evening to you steven you know we just heard french president when you were a micron accusing turkey of working with isis proxy groups attached to isis i mean is that true that do we have evidence that turkey is working with groups that work with isis. You know ive never seen any convincing evidence that turkeys working directly with isis or isis proxies this far better evidence that turkey has worked with al qaida and al qaeda affiliates in syria and in fact that there is some of the militias that they are working with and what they call the Syrian National army are in fact militias that are affiliated with or connected to al qaida in some way i think that the french president s statement on this is is a bit over the top although he is raising a very good question of when he asks why are you fighting against the people who are fighting with us against the Islamic State lets look at it from the the angle of turkey turkey is demanding its nato allies treat the syrian kurds of the wind. As terror they say you know you should see them the way we see them in turkey have a valid point. Well. To some extent it does the why p. G. Is a group that is directly linked to the p. K. K. A kurdish turkish terrorist organization has been waging a campaign of violence against turkey since the mid 1980 s. Though when you separate the 2 groups the y p g from the p. K. Kate once hard pressed to make the argument that the y. P. G. Has directly targeted turkey or turkish civilians or the Turkish Military the y. P. G. Has been allied with the United States in the fight against the Islamic State nevertheless this doesnt diminish the turkish sense of threat coming from the fact that the why p. G. Is so closely associated with the p k k and we look at turkey a nato it looks in the eyes of many as to be the black sheep of nato but its also we have to say its had success on playing hardball recently were going to have a look at that issue in just a 2nd but 1st i want to go back to last week which was the week of the thinks giving holiday in the United States take a listen it saves that democrats are accusing me of being too soft on turkey but bread and butter i should note that id like previous witnesses you and i have actually met its very unusual. Liz explain this to our International Audience that the u. S. President theyre kind of making a pun about forgiving the country turkey while he pardons the things giving turkey which is a tradition a president ial tradition in the United States and are the democrats right however when they criticize trump for not being hard enough on turkey. Well its not just democrats there are republicans who are outraged at the way in which President Trump has been solicitous towards what they perceive to be turkeys bad behavior on october 29th with which happens to be turkish republic day. The house of representatives passed in an overwhelming bipartisan fashion 2 resolutions one recognizing the Armenian Genocide in a 2nd one calling for sanctions to be applied on turkey theres very little these days that the house of representatives does that in a bipartisan manner but nevertheless turkey and its actions in northeastern syrian a number of other actions including the purchase of the russian f. 400 air Defense System has brought House Democrats and House Republicans together as well as Prominent Senate republicans and Senate Democrats just yesterday senator Chris Van Hollen a democrat from maryland and senator Lindsey Graham one of the president s staunchest supporters who is a republican from South Carolina the very strong letter to secretary of state my peo asking for him to impose sanctions on turkey for turkeys purchase of the f. 400 Defense System yeah i mean theres so many completely signals here because trump also justified his decision to pull u. S. Forces out of Northern Syria because he said we had to get out of the way of the Turkish Military as its the Turkish Military dictates us Foreign Policy at the same time trump is repeatedly cold turkey this great ally of nato do you think thats a view that he holds or do you think thats the advice that he has been given. It may very well be the advice that hes getting think that there are people here in washington who believe that the United States must hang on to this relationship which during the cold war was a very important relationship and that if the United States seeks to preserve the relationship good things can come of it i think what they are overlooking is the fact that the turks themselves would like to have a more independent Foreign Policy of the United States would like to develop its relations with countries like russia and iran in ways that are not necessarily in the interests of the United States so that no matter how the president treats turkey whether its in this list this matter that the president does or if he follows the advice of members of the house and senate and sanctions turkey the turks will continue to. Advance their own agenda their own interests in ways that they see fit regardless of the wishes of the United States yeah its definitely as they say a relationship that is complicated steven cook with the council on Foreign Relations joining us tonight from washington d. C. Even as always we appreciate your time and your insights thank you my pleasure. Well it was the worlds worst industrial disaster but the description barely captures what help and in the indian city of both whole 35 years ago in the early hours of december 3rd 1904 poisonous gas leak from a Union Carbide pesticides plant spreading rapidly across the city in that 1st night more than 3000 people die over the following years the number would rise to 15000 and many of the survivors they suffered as will disorders cancer birth defects among the long list of Health Problems but it doesnt stop there 35 years later theres still no closure and there remains calls for adequate compensation Better Health care and a vault for justice. For decades they have been campaigning some still living with their injuries. Of is still baring their grief. By that. Night everything was destroyed my sons and daughter in law died and my leg was amputated 2. I have to drag myself around these killers did not heed anything why have they not been brought to court why havent they been hanged they are responsible for this yet. It was december 1984 when 40 tons of deadly methyl i so psion 8 known as m i c gas escaped a pesticide factory in the indian city of bhopal within the 1st few hours 3000 people were dead some dying in their own homes. Hundreds of thousands more were injured many of them children. Over the years the death toll has risen and official estimate stands at around 15000. 00. The Company Responsible Union Carbide has never faced prosecution but it did agree a 470000000. 00 payout in 1989 campaigners say the company which is now owned by dow chemicals must pay much more in compensation including to the families whose children have been born with brain damage and with disabilities the people are waiting for it go prepared to get a standard medical treatment protocol is needed thats not yet available and finally in some ways the most important question is whether the justice. The question many have been asking for 35 years and still it seems there is no. What it is the sloan but you wont find on a male you know if you live in or youve ever been the longest nigeria you probably know about the slum city of macaco known as the worlds biggest Floating City it is home to about 300 cells and people and despite it saw use rococo has never appeared on any city planning documents or melts but then it is about to change. Welcome to my cocoa a floating slum in the nigerian mega city of lagos officially this part of the city does not exist you wont find these dingy canals and ramshackle house indicated on any city maps but john and his team are trying to change that on to their Location Tracking smartphones they crisscross the old ways with the aim of pushing the cocoa and its approximately 300000 inhabitants on the map where are you. Made up of girls from. Actually. Collected went of interest within the neighborhood within the houses so what is on the map so we can have more clearly has a. Point of interest on this in my book on city streets and have is enough to get. All of this going to be under a month for free. John works for south africa based ngo code for africa the Organization Behind this drive to map out the slums and improve the lives of those who live here. Every point of interest is carefully entered into the system like what and the floating barbershop. Who are putting your 100 miles. To be part of the point of enjoyable would she want to come of michael whom are those who want someone who without property deeds or in many cases even illegal existence the inhabitants of makoto live with the permanent threat of addiction for this local traditional leader appearing on a map for the 1st time is a step towards cementing his peoples place here. The way for him marco cole we were in the dark but now with the work you have done we traditional chiefs can see that you have done a good job we are only fisherman we didnt know how to mark out the different neighborhoods as we do we are very happy. John believes that inhabitants of this part of the city should have access to the same knowledge of the neighborhood enjoyed by those who live elsewhere in lagos. All of these westy walking on it when we had gone it would look like the rest part of the ghosts you mean cross the street to see the flames and the public would not be able to see this neighborhood differently as the map is ready to go online. Well the day is almost done but the conversation continues online or find us on twitter either at the w. News or you can follow me at brett goff t. V. Dont forget to use the hash tag the day to remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another dick well see then if. Even the essential so lacking in this small village. And country is rich. But the huge oil revenues have been seeping out into government officials pockets. In the cities people have taken to the streets to protest. What can teachers and schoolchildren in the librarians to live in 3000 next. Speier change the people making us. Go africa fantastic right. Join them as they set out to save the. And learn from one another and Work Together for a better future. 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