A very successful meeting so our question here on to the point is nato at 17 brain dead or fighting french. Thanks so much for joining us here on the phone to the point here in the studio in berlin and im joined by 3 excellent journalists beginning with my daughter bella colleague in showers whos a french born Political Correspondent and him says gloves off micros braindead comments on nato put diplomacy at risk also with us flooding there from the russian desk here to t. W. He believes the nato is the perfect enemy for russia and if nato didnt exist then for domestic purposes the kremlin would have to. Undergo very warm welcome to surmount a living hes an older and Senior Editor of the berlin based daily to target. And he argues that nato is still the Strongest Military alliance in the world the infighting at the london summit shows just how complex many security challenges have become. I would like to begin with you head off the london government one u. K. Newspaper the Guardian Newspaper said the meeting had the potential to be and im quoting the Birthday Party from hell although were certainly fears that things could get very ugly so now that the dust has settled is nato more united or less united than before. I think it is more united than before because we saw some surprises strong commitment from the u. S. President on the trump to nato strongly rejecting all brain dead comments by the french president no pulling out from no obstruction from from the other participant that was feared about so their wealth in fights and struggles yes but i think the unity in the airlines has been strength the unity so its interesting that most of the german headlines that i was looking out to me i said to the summer clothes there had been no parole no disaster no but stop it all sounds pretty paltry for an organization that as we say sees itself as the is the greatest military alliance in history youre right it is a defensive position saying there was no i mean split up of all these but but giving but giving the the different kind of threats before using starting from russia to china cyber war and all these things you name it it was not supposed to be in meeting its not even called a summit its called a meeting with no clear cut gender anyway so it was not supposed to to solve these problems or get a unanimous position about new threats and things like this even though they found a final. Topic they agreed all you want to do you are not to think vigorously. I am well im sorry i think there was some sort of an agenda during that meeting there was a set of decisions that people had agreed upon before even the meeting that defense and foreign minister had a great upon such and things that come with that. That was made at the summit i think that was important for them to meet occasion of the 70th anniversary to reiterate and reassess. This alliance while all that was going on there was a very interested what you might call role reversal between president s trump and chrome with mccrone lashing out senator of nato and donald trump saying that nato that hes a fan of the Nato Alliance and that nato has come a long way in the last 3 years what do you make of all that thats a bit so rich coming from trying to actually blast someone over very sensitive comments i would say but as so. Its none of that a french fry because i also dont necessarily agree with the way a minor macro actively addressed nato i think i get the point that he wants things to be shifting within the alliance and thats thats fair enough i think it needs some shifting but calling it a brand a target such a sensitive time where we having so many geopolitics issues i think thats not necessary to right away to go and also it goes so goes on to show that he is a resorting to strategic is that our President Trump strategy when he says that he has achieved a lot using this blunt language hes adopting trans tried to strategic and actually when donald trump actually shook shook up nato last date it resulted in countries to actually put more money into their defense politics so maybe it needs some kind of shake and im just not sure dot not using the not using diplomacy to achieve so is a very wise given the current political situation globally. And suppose there would have people in russia likely to have false altered suits of single with their emotional reaction be to seeing nato celebrating its 70th anniversary it was march talk about so the british and the russians they mean if you look or work to Russian Media covering from world from london its a very cynical comments about martha being busy itself about the chief of staff president s and prime min to. Gossipping involved each other so watch what i do i do what i did to get all this involved that there was the 1st topic and the 2nd one was not all i can mani the computer the beautiful russian iraq it systems amid the new beautiful russian veep and systems so basically its quite cynical views in russia oh its the people in the press frightened of nato in the way that people in europe are frightened of russia not at all i mean russia is so proud on this on its military in right today if this is new or russian fume it brings in the russians you must involve another run by the law of the 2nd world war in russia you choose a huge production which is supporting the Russian National pride and the military history of getting a base north of think there is a russian being frightened and i think the russians know that nato is not a annexing and conquering an imperialistic power. So they know the difference between the on the no 100 carats if youre book but the normal average people are most koreans in 1st book i mean no wonder the care of not though its danger from rot is the instrument instrument that is that what it is neurotic goals for a consolidation of society for a summer in domestic issues but its not such a fear in the broth operation like in europe if it was interesting nevertheless to hear. Vladimir putin talking from sochi from the black sea resort talking about nato as continued expansion as he put it and then nevertheless saying that he hoped that a shared interest in Common Security would prevail is that must have a 1st step perhaps in a new direction some people are hoping that it is a dialogue a different kind of dialogue a different kind of conversation i think its very very difficult i mean michael raised the topic of new relationships with russia but im afraid it wont happen very soon there are just too many developments and still the annexation of the crimea and the the war is still going on in east of ukraine we will have the normandy meeting on monday coming up in paris we will see if that leads to something but we have news being viewed as a last must test of possible new relations and yeah i mean you you know. Kind of one but given the reasons why we get progress on ukraine i host kills me but given the recent scandal in berlin with the with the likelihood that the russians are involved explain in the receivers candle for all of us. A man was killed in berlin and tear garton supposedly and many indices point to that with the involvement of the Russian Secret Service the. Perpetrator was called but hes silent about it and 2 diplomats break spelt. In germany so there are huge huge tensions right now so how its not likely to impact the ukraine beating on monday that this coming monday it will impact the meeting in terms of is this the right time to make a new kind of policy towards that to be approved and i think no german politician right now can say yes it is the right ok. Im going to merkel going to burst the midwife you know which and when alls all of the think will join all the wrong goal it will move and i hope and i hope there will be some concrete steps the words collisions in the Eastern Ukraine and i hope in the russian i kind of i dont know whats happened in paris next to the present i guess yes ok deescalation is to crane yes things like that but no new i mean Strategic Partnership in any kind of theres no talks about news that theres a partner there are thrust of the talks about country of distortions their normandy form out about minsk agreement to this collision in the Eastern Ukraine and i hope there will be concrete steps in this direction ok the debate about nato those goals and purpose goes back a long way right to the very beginning in fact but so far nobody has described the alliance is brain dead and theres little debating the fact that militarily nato is full to be reckoned with. The North Atlantic Treaty Organization flex its muscles in norway it was the biggest military exercise since the dissolution of the soviet union and. Directed at russia. Summit french president made it clear that he desired an end to the confrontation with moscow and a new definition of. Common enemy what are our common topics question deserves clarification you see its a very strategic question sometimes i hear is russia our enemy is it china is it the mission of the Transatlantic Alliance to designate them as enemies i dont believe so our common enemy within the alliance is the terrorism that has hit every one of our countries. President mccrone had set the direction of the nato summit and rebuffed Alliance Partners especially in eastern europe. In addition he criticized more severely than any. Unilateral american withdrawal from syria and the actions of nato partner turkey in the region. President in the future. State. He certainly. Did its all very good spending a lot of money on the military its all very good having boots on the ground and being efficient militarily but you need to have strategic goals and the central strategic goals we just saw was this is the question who is the enemy whats the. Saying that we dont have to act with them and do not. Consider. So. 29 countries for nato and they all have diverging interests. Of defense most of them dont spend enough according to nato. Regulations on Defense Budgets so yes then there needs to be a new strategic there also needs to be an identifying of the actual threats we have new zones of conflicts that ought to be identified occurrence or the threat to the moment the threat is not necessarily one country or another the threat is a much more global desir for this meeting nato acknowledged that china was posing new opportunities but also new challenges with its flies and of course the situation i was russia at the moment poses a threat when it comes to dealing with elections but it will probably be able to say more about this than me and my conscious outlines the 5 that we need a new strategy for nato and thats what i was saying earlier by just saying that the organisation is brain dead is not going to bring things much further like the man who is the enemy what does if there are any means not the country. Music Climate Change or Global Division or global power to not mention the figure in the ring in london as far as i can turn on Climate Change what is the enemy behind. What if the enemy is operating on the level of muslims to do so then germs coming from not from the country not only. On the. Convenient be with pence or with thanks thanks the old style isnt convenient people and lets go back back in history a little bit i mean we had the bipolar world the cold war there was a clear cut enemy in the soviet union and its gone after the wall came down there was a term coined in the cold war called flexible response it was how to react and kind of war 2 words soviet union troops if you have a flexible response you need a flexible response to date about new threats there is no single biggest threat but that doesnt mean that they are not multi party polar threats. As for example russia or china or cyber war or terrorism over threats from within that nato members dont necessarily all share the same values as they did for so long they dont necessarily share the values that are mapped out in the preamble of the nato treaty yes but do they have to share the same values to confront the variety of firsts maybe not maybe they can confront a variety of threats with different kind of elegance i mean clearcut example is. The president of turkey who clearly has a different kind of values than the rest of nato before we continue id like to come back she wants to know mr atta and lets just go to a clip that we have of the way the. President. Addressed the meeting in london the agenda the very robust agenda he brought within that some people have dismissed as blackmail lets listen. Our friends at nato do not recognize as a terrorist organization those against whom we are carrying out our fight against terrorism then excuse me we will oppose any step that nato seeks to undertake. Star single. Ounce of were talking about shared values or values and dont necessarily showed you a newspaper the Television People writes to regularly behaves as if it couldnt care less about the shared values and interests that underpin the alliance yes but it still might be valued member of the alliance. Even though we have the disputes about the 400. 00 Defense System. The Russian Defense system we have disputes about syria about about the cooperation with russia in that region about supporting islamists in syria and so on and so on not to not to talk about everything that is inside. Which gives reason for for a lot of wars so but it still is a very valuable member of the alliance in the south like every member of that of nato is valuable because they will have an equal say in the matter so theres no country that is left on the other and i think thats one of the things that make still makes nato valuable. People are worried about turkey because its now and some are saying turkey should not be a member of nato. Yes but it is and. Have. To be one of the yes it is fair and this meeting in london i think there was much to say about conflicts of interests and conflicts so for us not it to present it to clashing with so in my name i call talking with Justin Trudeau from canada and that gave a bit of the fading of a schoolyard and im not sure the the world at the moment deserves that kind of latitude from us to be would like to go back to the point you mentioned about the process of not there because the whole soap of the problems or the whole thing dangerous source of danger a shift of the completely in the very some debates because its and is not a bit jerky became the member of the not the danger was completely different than no no its the middle east is the whole sport of the World Politics and so your place would be completely different role in the process and this is what we are talking about the whole world is changing so greek and so far and so fast that the need to react or not the new story arc very grieved for this and the christian is not been able to react the greek you wouldnt just like i could remind you about the there is the 303030 initiative i think is very valuable and might be exploited doob it means we have nato has to be able to study days to have 30 battalions 30 ships. In every corner on the earth so if they if they work on this initiative i think its very well valuable and it might come from lot of threats theyre facing. But i think were also facing new threats for example the cyber space nato has to become performant in fighting that theres also a new place of conflict that is actually i chose space anytos a house of the developed. In dr god i think the french have diversified and if nato wants to survive it actually has to find a way to address those and talk to you frank. Make state up to facebook groups from centers where proms and provoke throw fabric and to push ideas via facebook to the American Public and keep fighting through these facebook groups American Public one part of the American Public getting it against another part of American Public but can chip some tanks do against this and this information lets talk just for a 2nd because i would like to end it once here was a man who has to say about one point we havent touched so far theres a lot of tension in nato ranks about money a significant number of nato members according to donald trump a free loading including germany. Were looking for world war 3 percent of the largest g. D. P. Ever was very revealing we have right now. Nobodys come to us and other people what they want to present some people very less than one percent of a very small few not here. They get attacked we. Are not here. When you are with your french background do you understand germanys reluctance to spending time gets well it has a history as well because of old wood to germany was reluctant for a long time to a low military spending at all and decide of history is very. Very present in every decision made in regarding to results of what you are saying is that there are french troops on the Ground Fighting all kind of fighting oh yes yes that was my 2nd song and reach im not sure how many would be a good start was my 2nd that was my 2nd point actually so germany spends way less on friends in its defense and france is actually paying the price of blogs in africa in order to protect the rest of europe that is a fact and indeed duddies problem i think it is also problematic in the partnership between france and germany because they agreed no later than you know tobar they did agree to spend less on a coordinating coordinated Defense System but germany to German Parliament is. Awaiting spending too much time discussing the budget rather than putting the money where it should be and that actually hinders the french german relationship as well so to me whats your response to this streak of pacifism that still is very central to politics military politics and life if i talk to morrison friends visiting business because were almost going to if i tell them what german media are writing covering about the condition of the boom the surveyor. No one believes me there is always a very dangerous book bundesrat troops to set all these people to the field without food without weaponry or is a Little Service here so little submarines basically nothing on a major role for a People Living in russia for a country like germany having this kind of army. I can hear you trying to get it. Yes i say germany should spend more they should spend more but necessary and hard but even though i think the army has to be modernized very very much but they should spend more on Cyber Defense this is one of the huge topics. Nato countries have to face as a Security Threat and to develop and build up the need the needed skills for Cyber Defense is something that is really really important and i think you might even get a majority of germans committed to that not necessary to defend spending the traditional way but let me add one more point to to president u. S. President trumps claim i mean you still have to see the United States spend like 5 trillion dollars from 911. 00 to now on the war on terror all over the world so the huge Defense Budget of the United States goes to many places in the world not just to European Defense is iran pouring rich no one in our certainly understands of all dramatists high Speed Internet connection if you talk about Cyber Attacks and cyber the fence no one really can imagine the country like germany her for such a birth quarter to overturn or. That there will always be a discrepancy between the American Army and the german or European Army in the making for example because they simply didnt do not share the same vision of. The well. Simply say it i mean germany because of history it will never be a country which will want to make fun which they want to interview. With its on me but at least it should have a functioning army and a fog that regularly america cannot fly somewhere because the plane wouldnt take off or something about that that goes on to show its a crying shame. Yes it is a crying shame it is not just marco its the president as well its the foreign minister and many other because just plain. And i think this is for a country like i agree with quite a lot of this i think not just. About this but the rest of the world is doing that as well as pressure to the russians and the chinese who are developing. An ira. But if we come to the chinese i mean china has mentioned. A little time. And so there you overlap in new threats in cyber war with. Traditional threats and its called why the front that makes up the 5 g. System in the. Region. The most successful military alliance. The fact. Thank you very very much for joining us here on to the point. 70000 in the question weve been addressing. The bottom of a. 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