Being nice little countries are measuring in the same way and it also depends on how good friendly countries are in gathering the statistics but i think that you can make the International Comparisons youll suggesting at this stage that you can make them reliably. Also coming up tonight how to survive the pandemic without a treatment or vaccine for Many Americans the weapon of choice is not plenty of testing its lots of guns with the uncertainty of whats going on on the pandemic that could be a thing that could happen such as riots people going crazy you know. Theres also also always racism in golf so having a gun will help protect self and also my family. And to our viewers on p. B. S. In the United States and all around the world welcome we begin the day with the u. S. U. S. And the u. K. And the tragic ties that bind politicians in washington in london often speak of a special relationship between the 2 countries a common culture and history a shared language or tonight that relationship is one of shared sorrow as of today america and britain lead the world in the number of lives lost to the new coronavirus the u. K. Has surpassed italy to claim the title of europes deadliest country in this pandemic on both sides of the atlantic high were talladega has been reached in similar ways the governments of the u. K. And us are accused of doing too little too late their leaders downplayed the outbreaks severity leaving medics unprotected and ill equipped at what is now the frontline in the most lethal pandemic in a century doctors say they should be doing more testing if only they had enough testing kits are 1st report takes us tonight to the u. K. During the governments totally Coronavirus Briefing britains new death toll one official the most difficult. And what you see is that deaths in the u. K. Is still continuing to climb and. Higher than we would wish i think its all i can say internationally while the prime ministers deputy was eager to point out that figures couldnt be compared at this stage there are different ways of counting deaths as we know weve had that debate in this country we now published data that includes all deaths in all settings and not all countries do that so im not sure that the International Comparison works unless you can youre reliably know that all countries are measuring in the same way the governments latest hope in the fight against the coronavirus now lies here on the isle of wight the island of englands Southern Coast is the testing ground for a new Contact Tracing app that could be rolled out across the country the n. H. S. Coded 19 outlets you know quickly if youve come into contact with someone who has symptoms but is it too little too late even the governments chief scientific adviser has now admitted failings. And maybe you dont think we could have done differently there i think if wed managed to ramp Testing Capacity quicker it would be beneficial and. You know for all sorts of reasons that didnt happen so critics of long said that britains conservative government responded too slowly to the spread of the virus and failed to contain the outbreak by widely testing tracing and isolating people and although restrictions have meant that the spread of the virus has slowed britain will likely end up being the european country hardest hit by the pandemic well im happy to welcome back to the day dr John Campbell he is an independent Health Analyst and has a healthy following on social media where he offers insights into the pandemic you joins me tonight from carlisle in the u. K. Dr campbell its good to see you again let me start by getting your reaction to todays death toll in the u. K. Well of course is a very sad milestone isnt it i mean to be fair we have been expecting this for some time that the trajectory has been up for. About 12 days now that the u. K. Has been higher than most of the european deaths and as well the euro the lot down in the u. K. Some will be high and not of italy and spain and france for example so it was inevitable it was it inevitable it was going to carry on rising for a period of time of course its still very sad to reach to reach these milestones the u. K. Foreign minister dominique rob said today and im quoting him here he said there are different ways of counting deaths we now published data that includes all deaths in all settings and not all countries do that of course he was referring to italy there is he speaking the language of science in statistics or more the parlance of parlor politicians what do you think. One of the sad reflections about this in europe is its been a bit of a competition were doing better than you or youre doing better than those oh were not as bad as that guy over there which is a bit of a pity because the human beings at the end of this but having said that the testing strategy not the testing strategy thats been bad in the u. K. But the recording strategy in the u. K. Is very good the office for National Statistics to count this very meticulously and this data reason really quite accurate for deaths registered up to the 24th of april now is Dominic Rogers right there are different ways of accounting for deaths in Different Countries and its difficult to know what include what to include say for example in the u. K. At the moment we are including deaths at home Nursing Homes deaths in hospitals and suspected now suspected deaths main 19 or coronaviruses actually mentioned on the death certificate but even when you take that into account the overall amount of deaths is much higher for this particular week than it would be normally even if you account for the covered 19 deaths the still in excess of deaths so it actually looks like the real number of deaths attributable to coverage 19 is somewhat higher than the official figure would suggest at the moment unfortunately fortunately you know you mentioned comparisons here in europe we began this program talking about the parallels of the u. K. And the United States in this pandemic from where you are looking across the pond looking at your own backyard how do you explain the countrys leading the world when we talk about mortality in this band. I think there are 2 different mo donative action here really the response in the United States has been really quite disparate different states have kind of gone the way and i think it was only when they had the wake up call from Washington State in seattle and from the high numbers of cases in new york that the United States really became aware of the scale of what was going on and even then the response was somewhat disparate and quite often people were cooperating with the in the u. K. In the u. S. Soil with the lock down whereas in the u. K. The cooperation with the lockdown has been basically good but we did start somewhat late and the testing has been very poor in the u. K. And is still off to is still not really going well at the moment were still not we have tests we had a lot of cases to begin with because of the International Connectivity with london as well and then there was this idea that the government had in the beginning where they were going to go to herd immunity with this idea would contain and then move on to the delay stage where i think they took their eye off the ball really inward looking for the individual cases anymore all those sorts of issuing the virus was there when actually youve got to chase every single case we have to test we have to trace and treat and isolate every single case to get on top of this pandemic i want to ask you about a story that just came across this evening professor Neil Ferguson of Imperial College he is a leading u. K. Modeler he has resigned from the Scientific Advisory group for emergencies after admitting that he made an error in judgment violated social distancing by allowing a woman to visit him twice during the lock down as a medical professional dr campbell how important is it that people such as professor ferguson practice what they preach. Of course its absolutely imperative and we saw this with the senior medical adviser in scotland as well that we can never say do as i say dont do as i do we must always say do as i do follow in my footsteps now Neil Ferguson to be fair hadnt had covered 99. 00 had tested positive for it so his thinking was that he was in you but of course thats a rationalization these rules are for everyone because we dont know apart from anything anything else just how immune people are ones that had the disease so he clearly broke the rules and hes unfortunately had to pay the price for that and its a great pity because Neil Ferguson is perhaps one of the leading well certainly one of the leading epidemiological mathematics mathematical models in the world so even a low is not officially part of the sage group in on a Scientific Group or emergences i certainly hope the governments going to be drawing on his expertise and certainly his department is is paid in and played an invaluable one in the go in the u. K. Response to that to this pandemic so i hope he hasnt gone away altogether but certainly a major indiscretion yeah we weve had people from his department on the show talking about the models as you say very very important when you look at everything thats happened dr campbell bringing us to where we are right now do you see the u. K. Learning from these initial mistakes i mean is there a positive view that can be found moving forward. I think very much so because understanding the deaths is a very important statistic because that helps us to understand how many cases there were a few weeks ago because what happens with this virus is of course someone becomes exposed to the virus then they have a period of incubation perhaps 6 or 7 days then they have day one when they have their 1st symptoms then they have a symptomatic period and then very often the deterioration takes place in the 2nd week in death might not hurt all the 3rd or 4th week after that so weve got this long line in this long delay and the big hope in the u. K. At the moment is the total number of deaths have been gone down now its concerning that the number of deaths in Nursing Homes has continued to rise the number of deaths in the community the number of deaths in hospitals has gone down and 90 case that the rate of infection has been falling now for some weeks so that is promising and just to show that the lockdown strategy for which were now in the 7th week is being effective in that we need to carry on with it but we so desperately need this individual testing tracking tracing isolating strategy in tandem with that because thats our only way out of the law down until we get the reputed in until we get a vaccine. In the future we can spend more time talking about those lives saved instead of those lives. A certain certainly there are many. Always its good to get your insights appreciate your time tonight thank you. Not. When germanys car industry executives were in berlin today to ask german chancellor Angela Merkel to throw them a lifeline they didnt get exactly what they wanted a dime and b. M. W. Are calling on the government for help amid unprecedented plant closures and plummeting demand measures being looked at include a subsidy for car purchases but environmentalist they are against state support for what they call the gas guzzling industry and the round of talks we understand is planned for g. M. All right for more im joined by my colleague monica jones and just see exactly kind of their state subsidies. You know we know how important the car industry is to germany and its economy i mean i cant imagine the German Government not bailing them out in some fashion. I cant imagine the German Government allowing the german car industry to go under absolutely correct brant but we mustnt forget that the car industry already receives aid in the form of the already existing massive coronas stimulus package that the German Government has presented only last month 750000000000 euros and the car industry is not going into handed also with those short our allowances so when production line stands still they dont have to pay the price certainly not the whole amount of if they dont have them satin people the government just so theyre not going into a 100. 00 and theres another point that this what theyre asking for is basically a repetition of what we saw during the 2008 financial crisis with this cash for clunkers scheme very nice scheme many countries did that. But did it really do any good in the long term and we now know in hindsight it didnt really help the car industry that much because people went out to buy cheaper models so the margins were tiny and as soon as the situation recovered to they stop buying cars it wasnt sustainable and as i mentioned earlier because they can the car industry now has access to cash in the form of loans. We just dont need to the same sort of age but youre absolutely right they wouldnt lead the industry go under you mention the word sustainable helbig of a role do Environmental Concerns play here. I would think quite a lot of member until corona hit the world we were talking about one thing and one thing only Climate Change the friday Futures Movement it was on on top of the agenda of germany taking on the e. U. Presidency now in july they want to doors it was an electric car is something d sadly the german car industry is not at the forefront and i think there is the white consensus you mention it no more money for gas guzzlers. The most pop. In the car in germany an expert told us today is still the folks goal of the regular model there is an environmentally friendly one but it cost 6000. 00 euros more and arent that interested in buying it so i think in order to have some sort of incentive maybe you would have to guarantee that the car industry makes these kind of cars somewhat more attractive yeah i mean you have to think about peoples pocketbooks lets go from chorus to points for a moment the german theory with tons of i understand is losing a 1000000. 00 and were right now and once a barrel well france is going to give air france kaylin a barrel oil the standards that is weve times are going to get one. Even well here it is quite interesting because they hear the German Government is actually keen to step in and to support tonnes of it left on somewhat hesitant because that kind of model that you mention in france its a bit different here in germany france it is not that unusual that the french state has some sort of a say in business for example in exchange for the bailout. Is expected to stop domestic flights in favor of the French State Railway s. N. C. Which is also good for mccall because we remember about public transport was the key driver in those protests against his reform plans that maybe that will sort of calm them down slightly and times are only privatized in 1907 and its c. E. O. Is really resents the idea of the government meddling in affairs let me just mention that what is in discussion right now and it could play out that way that the state takes none active equity role in it add that to government representatives will sit on the Advisory Board where they constant too much harm maybe that could be the deal we see you we will see planes trains and automobiles just to operate in our markets good to see you here at the table thank you chips. A few days ago hundreds of people demonstrated in. In lansing michigan thats the capital of michigan they were there to protest against the governors Emergency Powers to combat the spread of the coronavirus many of the people attending the rally they carried firearms some entered the Capitol Building as you see right there armed with guns and a message to find us. Well the sight of armed men protesting against a lockdown its reignited the debate in america over gun control in michigan and in other states where similar protests and taking place it is legal to openly carry a firearm even inside government buildings some americans are again arguing for a change in the interpretation of the constitutional right to bear arms others are turning to guns to more guns to arm themselves against fear. Magazine loaded release and fire. Mason fon has been shooting firearms since he was a child but since the code at 19 pandemic the son of vietnamese immigrants has been beefing up his skills. He says theres a general feeling of insecurity among americans. With the uncertainty of whats going on on the pandemic they could be it could happen such as riots people going crazy you know. Theres also also always racism in volved so having a gun will help protect self and also my family. Shooting ranges and gun shops in the state of virginia are considered essential business and were allowed to remain open during the shutdown. The clark brothers range has twice as many customers as usual owner steve clarke says gun sales at the decades old Family Business have never been so high. Theres just some people im not sure how to deal with this if i have a firearm i can deal with this if somebody tries to take something of mine i can defend myself. Hardly anyone here wears a face mask social distancing doesnt seem to be important but some have come to reflect on what drives americans to guns these days. The explanation is we americans in the country have gone berserk we think this coronaviruses the next apocalypse and its. People are scared for some. Unknown reason and i think thats a simple as that. Whats fear for some is business for others theres a one hour wait time and extra paperwork to get into this gun shop in the city of arlington the store was completely sold out in the early stages of the shutdown shop owner sean poole and says he is still struggling to keep up with the clients appetite for firearms. We cant meet the demand. Of the customers we dont have the. The variety that we used to have also access to writing media pistol shot rifles ammunition ammunition is also being treated similarly as toilet paper people. Without any real you can. Make some fun has not bought any new weapons since the virus hits for him training at the shooting range is a great excuse to leave the house while hes working from home. In america no more than ever guns are an essential business. Conditions in many prisons in the americas reaching the worrying preexisting structural problems such as chronic crediting conditions coupled with a lack of proper access to health care have unable to grasp its practical but 99 in many facilities across. The United Nations says prisons across latin america are a breeding ground for the coronavirus we have heard similar warnings here in Europe Germany has prevented outbreaks in its prisons by releasing prisoners up to 1000 inmates have gone free my colleague and reporter as if has been speaking with prisoners however paint a very different picture of what is going on behind bars i mean what theyve been telling essentially that the measures put in place to protect them by state governments in germany are not being implemented that staff are still coming in going sometimes not wearing face masks not keeping their distance from prisoners getting very close to them also the prisoners themselves are not keeping socially distanced that theyre still eating lunch in groups i spoke to several prisoners at luton say here in berlin who said this theyre very concerned i spoke to one prisoner 44 years old christiane if he is part of a High Risk Group so you has diabetes he has heart problems and high Blood Pressure and he doesnt feel that the prison is protecting him and he fears for his life so lets take a listen to what he said. I wish to. The mood is relatively tense. Many prisoners will anxious and insecure about the steps being taken. Especially since we dont know whats coming and Important Information from authorities about what we should do is generally not available. When things are returned to normal or rather a new normal no one knows. I talked to the spokesperson for the Justice Ministry here in berlin who contradicted what he said they said theyre implementing all the measures possible to protect the prisoners and the prisoners inside prisons a prison are spreading rumors about the cause it makes you wonder whos checking on the people who are checking on the prisoners these prisoners already or do you think theyre making a tradeoff between prisoners rights and their safety whether in prisons essentially are a trade off between rights and safety and i think what were seeing globally is that a Global Pandemic makes this even more complicated so yeah the simple answer is yes. Prisons all across germany have done things like ban family visits banned Group Activities like sports and Church Service so essentially prisoners are living in a kind of isolation thats usually used to punish bad behavior and this is taken a heavy toll on them psychologically i spoke to rio how brother shes a lawyer and expert in criminal rights and she said that the trade off is a hard one. Isnt the best that sounds good you know its really the inmates now with the restrictions especially now that visit some time out what. About to be very clear no one wants to be the one who brings coronavirus into the prison because the if there is an outbreak things would become much worse much more disastrous. If your does. Not truly obviously something needs to be dumb to protect prisoners and that will of course have drawbacks. Advocates are also saying that the tradeoff is necessary but that prisoners could be urged prisoned rather could be urged to make more difficult trade offs and invest more money into better spaces and Better Health care for business well see if that happens any time soon i mean its always thanks for your reporting thanks fred. Well the day is almost done the conversation continues online youll find us on twitter either due to the news you can follow bieber got t. V. To use the hash tag the day i remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day well see that everybody. Spent his whole working lives toiling in the minus who know his 45 year old antonio. Just overheard with his good lord in order mary. Gearin can turn any one minor after another contract black lung disease. Or see a more cases their way ever have an out of state. Leaving the victims to fend for themselves. 3000. Next on d. W. I. 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