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He continue to show up support for the war and ukraine . For mr. Bill strong. Welcome to conflicts down. Thank you very much. There are fears that the israel hamas moore could widen into a broader middle east conflict as israel steps up. Its one barman of gaza and clashes at israels northern border with lebanon intensify. How are you looking at the Current Situation . But it is indeed a very, very affordable situation, which is now evolving before our eyes. And i think that we have to look at this from both the short term of the long term perspective. The short term perspective is because we need to bring more humanitarian assistance to augusta. We need to, in order to reset the right to defend itself against the atrocities of the terrorist attacks by the terrorist Organization Organizations a mouse on the stomach yacht. But we also have to move to the suffering of a people in augusta and to find a way to bring a humanitarian assistance in the shape of volta and suffice food and also fuels of the visa, the nation and fonts inside of golf sought to, to get special to, to, to the people in that is important. As the other hand rules, i have to look at this very important issue of raising the hostages, taken by, by a mazda. And in this i can see many after spending an Important Role european union, united states, the u. N. A coast, but also be out of state who i think all acting acting in a very constructive way. Ive done to reach out to colleagues seen who used to be gone. Thats my feeling the, with increased, its humanitarian aid to the palestinians, but at the same time, you will be reviewing your non humanitarian aid. What does that mean . Or are you just now checking if you indirectly gave money to him off switch the you, as you mentioned, theyre classified as a terrorist organization to i think thats under the circumstances. So it is prudent to see to it that no money which is advocate it to the Palestinian Authority finds its way into the pockets of organizational stock. Im also a stomach you huh . But even long, so this is also connected to the question of the Peace Process. We need to seek it the past in a sort taken functions. And it is Incredible Organization because people are all going for a 2 state solution. And this has to be long term perspective to establish peace of the region, to states israel, some kind of science being able to reach my side. Are you thinking about whether you will in fact reduce non humanitarian aid, for example, on the level . Because i mean the you is the biggest single donor of a to palestinians as well. From the perspective i dont see that happening. I think that that is important. Then i think of those that actually majority also in the counseling favor of this i was that we have to understand that that you know, undermining the credibility of the Palestinian Authority. It would be a dangerous thing that could actually help a mouse and assignment to you how to gain support this in the, the, the independence in palestine in the west bank and gaza. And that will be the be really dangerous. When we look at the overall annual approach so far, um, what we have seen is disunity and confusion on display. First, there was a statement that the you said its suspended, its a to palestinians in response to the attack on israel by him, off. That statement was reversed. Soon thereafter. Isnt it a bit embarrassing in the middle of a crisis like this . I think it was. We have to separate the shows, so it is quality of the that the statements will so premature. But that was done by an individual commission. Uh, nope, by the commission itself. And when it comes to the Member States, well, it is the Member States. So according to shots own, based on because the Member States also ultimately who decides this . And i have to say that ive just come back from yesterdays meeting in books and both with the feeling that yes, the debates and discussions quite naturally repeated moments like this. But the, you have to maintain and achieve unity. Now we have an upcoming meeting for the latest you were being counsel now wednesday, and thats i think, will bring some more clarity to but you know, what it does speak to mr. Foreign minister is, is how they even expect to find consensus on the future of aid for palestinians and just the general approach to the situation. A, id like to ask you about one aspect of that. How about, for example, calling for a cease fire so that, that crucial aid that you mentioned, the humanitarian aid may be let into gaza for those civilians. The u. N. Is calling for it. You Foreign Ministers couldnt degree at a meeting earlier this week. Where do you stand . As we stand on the side of the high representative yoseph burrell is less is spoken about to the humanitarian bulls. I think of it because its a way for what we have to understand again, but this is a very complex situation. No easy, easy solutions to this, no quick fixes, but the humanitarian pause will be the would enable us to bring the aging to, to goss. Thats of a, something people in phones of food and. Ready to and, and medicine and also if you will, and i think this is important. I spoke a little bit earlier about diplomacy and the prospect of a 2 state solution. You know, sweden, in general, back in 2014 was the 1st e u member in western europe to officially recognize a state of palestine saying, and im quoting here, and we hope this will show the way for others. Youve been supporting palestinians toward a 2 state solution. Is there any hope of got any more realistically . Yeah, well the 2 state solution has to be cheap because it is the only way the only feasible way of bringing peace to this region to the people who are suffering to both disparities. And just because its kind of spins and the Credible Solutions on the table have been for many, many years now. But, but what it boils down to is that you have to achieve trusted. You have to teach confidence in optimal leaders. And one thing though, that i take a bit of hope in, and i think the last is understand it goes to duty a moment like this, but the bumps up holding it doesnt f, c, z a. But that you dont feel like this, but actually get up to every big crisis of, of the last 20 years. That the result of the Peace Process and a way for what i dont think we have to understand. But this could be the outcome of this terrible situation which were facing right now. And frankly, the swedish government, though we receive an alternative to the 2 states that have just, were going to work in favor of this with talk this both in the middle east with the united states, with the u. N. And within the u. Hope which we all, lets turn now to the impact inside the ink is borders were seeing heightened security concerns here in europe over the situation in the middle east. The u Foreign Policy chief Joseph Morales said last week that when he hears, and im quoting here, religious authorities speaking the language of inter religious conflict and explicitly stating that europe is a party to the conflict. He feels the storm clouds are looming. He says he believes we are on the edge of the best. Do you agree with him . I think thats the reason for something very cool. So we have to find a balance label. We have to acknowledge the indispensable vice bass fair to defend itself against terrorist attacks. Frank speaking, which government wouldnt do best when youre faced with the little thing of your own citizens in thousands, such as has to be the case of the 7th of the book for toby atrocities. So here a plan contrast, theyre increasing their security measures that including border checks as a result of the conflict and a series of Violent Attacks here, including 2 swedish nationals killed in brussels last week by a government claiming allegiance to the so called as law mix. A presumably and response to a number of recent cron burnings in suite in this past year. Tell us a little bit more about the security situation and how its affecting sweden in particular as well. The terrace deed was of course terrible. And, and we, we all know welding shop together with the people of any of them, the deer who suffered theres also people for life. So for the family members, we also have to do compose to the security with the situation. You mention it and, and i think we have to do this on many levels best we do Security Police already entering the, the, some of the race, the level of care is the best phone, 3 to a 4 to 5 scale. And do we actually well, freight but Something Like this which happens in belgium. Cool, but that wasnt the total was from continuing along the same office we have already started to throat and that is to sam dahl and terrys. My we have to do is with the help of the police or the, the dialogue with people as significant push back, the terrorist threats and the levels which we see. All right, see 9 of the sides. But can you tell us a little bit more about how youre clamping down on the incidents that have caused so much anger . Because, you know, many in the muslim world are furious about these public crohn burnings that have taken place in your country. And i just like to bring in the example in june because there we understand that 2 men were watched by a crowd of people. They tore pages out of the koran, they burn them outside of a mosque, and they werent granted a permit for demonstration. Thats how things work in your country. They didnt hide their intent to burn the book. And yet the New York Times reported this, that the demonstrations were not allowed to burn objects in stock home. So how is it that these demonstrators were able to ultimately burn the book . The reason is, the sweetest, the biggest ation is constructed in the wave of the week, the permits but demonstrations. But thats who said by friday, they do not have a poem and to the book to bill, hopefully that scripture, the crown or any of any of the book was we just government is now doing. You said we have launched an inquiry into the Public School to act which governs to Police Authorities and responsibility to grant phones. And that inquiry means that it was a but also the, to an opportunity to, to looting the, to the possibility of bringing National Security when the brands and actually when it got to publish something which you cannot do today. And this is a to which the government wants to know more about and, and the foreign minister nero, neighbor, denmark, for example, theyre taking moves to actually out rightly banned koran burnings following outrage overburdening stair as well. Is it time for sweden to think about doing the same the problem is that then more because we didnt have the biggest ations. If we went to do the thing which we are doing in demo, that would be the constitutional issue. We test to lead to the constitutional change. This meeting was the democrat to do what we are planning to do, chasing the public or back that will lead to constitutional changes invalid just ation because they dont operate. Russia has meantime, been spreading narratives, especially in the developing world saying thats meeting is hostile toward as long. For example, the criminal controls outlets created a rumor that sweet or social services were systematically kidnapping and trying to christianize children from muslim families. That campaign is said to have reached hundreds of millions of followers on social media. How wide spread is this information like this . How big is the problem for you to . It is a big problem and we can see that states both the russia as states and states back this, russia and he wrong, is also not the company which has a problem. This specific campaign promote that 18 in social media channels, and it has a very, very aggressive campaign. And it aims both towards listings seen in other countries. And most mc, my own companies. In my own country, we are now competing this. We have brought together the response of the sort. This is reading all the way down to municipality level and all the way up to natural score this in order to come out accounts to complain to these. And we are well on this from the government side to do so. Were also going to do it together with us. And we have to understand that this has been new information, both bad and operational re now, which we are living through. This is the way things are going to be conducted, effective fine things, small grains of truth, and then you blow them up. Its an old russian trick, but you have to work against lets turn now to the war and ukraine. How worried are you that attention and weapons will be diverted elsewhere, given the conflict in the middle east. For example, weve seen the u. S. Saying last week, the 10s of thousands of artillery shells promise to ukraine are now going to be diverted to israel. Assign to for, to com. So you know, im quite confident in the world. So president biden, when he was interviewed the other day and said, you know, we have the united states, of course theyre capable of having to co picks up this in time. And im quite confident that thats, that this will be the case. And also the conflict in east bed is not cold. Pick the ukraine. It is not only in a much, much smaller scale. It has a defense, you mean its entire make up, the boy ukraine. Its a lot scalable as something, you know, we havent seen the europe since the 2nd level. So we have to look at the, from that point of view, but the price confidence by suppressing by them. But where do you get that confidence mr. For administer . Because i mean its, its quite clear that the us president , though it doesnt always have his congress behind him. Weve also been seeing divisions in the you over russia. But they have been taken to the next level. In fact, after hungry is or bon met with puts in. Weve also seen the election of robert pico in slovakia who ran on an anti ukraine platform. Basically showing how quickly the type of concern, especially considering that slovakia was the 1st country to deliver fighter jets to ukraine. Arent you concerned about you . Unity and support for ukraine . I mean, this is, seems like a clear sign of, of waning european support specified mr. Taylor called to basing a package should be both the congress consisting of a to both the crane, the swell and tie. Why in, in the same combination. I think that needs to be built into, to the, to the scope, to understand the political realities. And i again, that we feel confident about this, looking that to be you. Well, uh, during the re since we usually you pressing and see if during the spring we were able to bring forward to new se sanction packages against them. Russia. And i think we are able to maintain unity and move forward. And im, im worried about this, but we have to coast and contemplate, its a no tasty its rented. Thats, that needs to be said we, we have to give it to norwich, acknowledgement to the u. Ship a by the american people. Ive said this public the last say it again. The fact that the us has provided so much military support to paint is the reason why a credit is Still Standing as a state that us done a lot, but it comes to Financial Support to ukraine. But its a great tool, but we need to do more when it comes to military school and acknowledge what the us people are doing for great. Experts say that one of the few weapon systems that could change the course of the war as fighter jets. Sweden says that it will only provide its griffin war planes to ukraine if it gets nato accession. Is there no chance if you providing these were planes beforehand . Well, the, i was present the preschool friends top soon to the, the Prime Minister. Some of the risk have been so impressed, incidents give this, is it also this, this autumn and the Prime Minister said then the student stance the name, the that we have to see to it that on a Succession Process is finalized. But we already know training ukrainian fight to get pilot. How quickly could you get new credit . The plans, if you are indeed admitted tomato or but im not going to talk about that because that isnt supposed to be the type of secrets, but was i could say clearly nice. But once we have the company to members, things would be in the different sites, but they have to do to our own security 1st. And that is, it goes in minutes and in parity. Another security threat, recent attacks on under seas infrastructure. This time of communication, cable between sweden and a stone yet and the baltic sea. A gas pipeline connecting finlands in estonia also damaged. Your Prime Minister has warrants that these undersea data cables are both essential to the modern economy and vulnerable to attacks. How long ruble are you as well, its not just us. Actually. We have to look at this again from an e u and from a native perspective, i mean we have, we have a neighboring company, no way. Who has guess be its an oil field space and see whether under was a k, besides sense calling me. And i think that we have to understand that this is also a new type of time which we are living in. And the attitude of michael monthly is that we need more corporation was unable Small Corporation with the nato allies in order to, to counter. And this, and thats because of course, the, the more access that capability is when it comes to web. So they situations underwood so and then luckily sweden has the capabilities already. We also would like to see more cooperation of physical space and look at something which is going to wait. We can see, but this would be true. Would be a very dangerous to, to spell for adversaries to use against. Com is like sweden. So when you, im seeing that in this case and feelings, foreign minister said the to undersea his legs have probably been damaged on purpose. Do you agree . Is it likely sabotage . Whos behind it . Russia . Well again, i need to say, but im not going to attribute this to any concrete right now. Very so Police Investigation underway when that is find a line end of the prosecutor headsets. Uh well they, they need to say i might be able to, to do a public statements of this, but the full that im not going to do it. So i think that will be both may have some good stuff to do. So lets talk about your membership in nato, which has long been blocked by turkey. Turkish president , rest retire type air. The one has just submitted a bill, approving your membership id to his parliament for ratification. In general though, how, how disappointed are you in the process of the demands that turkey has been placing on you . Ive said its many times before, and ill say it again that to the memorandum assigned a med reach at the summit team, regional scale. Whats important because it meant that sweden, on the took some responsibilities for changes but the legit are ready to admit him on behalf of the t. Yeah. And those changes have been conducted that means, but we now come back the organization to case activities in my company, in a more coherent way, taking measures which led to people being yep, handed products you know, coats. Thats one example of man was a 100 about a dispute. 2 weeks ago at 4 and a half year sentence for Armed Robbery with a clear connection of getting money to send to the p k. Take. Now the teacher k dustin, to conduct terrorist operations. As such, or directed against sweden, the territory, but they collect money which they used to terrorist activities against the to p u. So to, to you have had to dismiss claims, but the something been used to be some, a mans the total key yet in order to sweden had fulfilled the cost of the ball game. And that means or so thats the problem at the start of the reputation post is not waiting to talk. Theres problems, hes a, hes a um sign of this. Um, but you know, with me there was the recent comment though. However, from, from the turkish Vice President saying that we, we dont see a satisfactory level of implementation when we talk about those measures that you have taken. We have also seen air to one, you know, make a request from, from the united states, including the us selling f. 16 fighter jets to turkey as a precondition to your exception. You know, youve already taken all these measures that youve highlighted. Theyre ones that just too much for suite in what are your red lines a well, 1st of all, this is a fundamental change of swedish for and security policy. The not responding to somebody is we have been a non military line from people for 2 centuries. So of course, the question of a few months doesnt mean very much from that perspective. And we have disappointed the tools. On the contrary, yesterdays news, well cause that source of joy, but we all through yet. We need to see the food reputation process happening to the okay. And then of course, also hungry. And yeah, lets talk more about hungry because they must also sign off there. The foreign minister has written you a very pointed letter, asking you to stop your politicians and press from criticizing congress democracy. Otherwise it wont ratify your expression. The hungarians even uploaded that letter to twitter, and of course they know that you cant control what opposition politicians or price might be saying because of freedom of speech loss. So what do you think is that play here . The hungarian government, just looking for excuses to feel insulted. And how concerning is this us . No, i think thats the darkest of the sort of its in gary bottom as being very clear on the map. So saying that that we will be the last, the last to rectify speed that has to be repeated both by a prime is the victim obama. No. So by my, thats what i mean, just the cord and that means that the hungry is a really committed itself. Once the process in the key is on the way estimates, now we expect thats occasions and starting to accounting problems as well. And they only have the final votes left. Theyve already done the commit to book and appointment. And also just on that, on that same line, there is a difference also between 50 and hungry wisdom teeth. Here we have had a memorandum clear memorandum test, a take a test dates with hunger. We never asked for anything like that when they accepted. So we can give them the status, thats the invitees of last year. Summit seen him agreed. So i think that the im Getting Parliament should move on with the reputation. And that is the position of us which comes som, especially in the global south, are looking at the wars in ukraine in the middle east as an approach that is least with a double standards. One analyst. So saying theres a perception that the west tear is more about ukrainian, refugees, about ukrainian civilian suffering, then suffering and young men in gaza in sudan and syria. The former swedish Prime Minister carl build has said the following. This is something that we must deal with. First of all, do you even recognize that there could be a double standard at play and how do you deal with it to well, we have been very clear from all positive us or not costs. And especially my statements, which i did leave it at the United Nations General Assembly at west. Its very clearly that we need to take into accounts back to the training called big is something which, you know, is open goals and stuff or the world that because it means that you bring lots of those, the rules baseball, the older and the you will show up will be gone and those are principals which means to go to a local office, but at the bottom. And this is a good bathroom stand, but i do acknowledge what you say. We have to, to take. We shouldnt have any double standards. We should apply the same standards when it comes to atrocities committed. We should also meet that means that the humanitarian problems which we not seeing golf stuff needs to be solved in order for this to be, you know, incredible pulled us the, overrated by the you. Some diplomats or warning that the west is losing the global south. What is the danger here if this situation is not handled well by the you . If the south does not perceive that the west is handling the situation well and equitably . Well that could be, uh, definitely could be a threat, but i think that we are doing the right thing right now without seeking or reach out to be out of well in looking full solutions, both to the hostage crisis invitation to the terrace, spoken to the station mouse and also the question of the human to tell the impulse when it comes to golf and ultimately the 2 state solution which needs to be both sold only by operating oil based levels at the same time. Can we maintain credibility of the global level . Foreign minister based on what we have to leave it there. Thank you so much for joining us on conflicts on thank you for your time. So thanks very much the guardians of truth. This time, excel gen liz, turned in dar, meets the voices of a free turkey alter as the other one had to flee into as though i knew the police would search my house. 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Israels Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says, israel lee forces have launched the 2nd stage in the war against a mass by sending Ground Forces into the gaza strip at a News Conference and nothing, no one that it would be a long and difficult war. He also responded to criticism, saying those who accuse israel of war crimes, hypocrites, family members of the hostages taken by him last minute