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A priest for about 12 years and an exorcist for 8 years dont are usually isnt it the pretty good. I have no doubt that god and the devil exist. I have real evidence that the devil is here, that hes active, he and that we need to be aware of him. Truly, the altima altima. Him belief in the devil to many it sounds like maybe for a little bit in the 21st century. Sation is making something of a comeback. Some people have no doubt the devil exists, including those who hunted him down. Exorcists typically keep a low profile the we me except for to see what they have to say the some of the z include the so welcome. Were thrilled to welcome you here for your baptism citizen. The course of baptism is always a very special occasion after youve gotten a chance to meet a future member of the community who is said to move in buttons. If we make this sign on the forehead, sugarloaf whole digital in the catholic tradition, when someone is baptized, they sometimes undergo an initial exist as a opponent, enjoying the church, and not only going about the way. So here at the baptism, we try to banish all able from the heart the, the last year. You have it, as your agent writes, describe the notion of a minor exercise and to be conducted on the child. The critics, because of all a citizen respect them, would explain that it was not about evil deeds, but that it was our human nature that required purification. Because we are marked by original sending the musky. Theyll say not to follow up the shell who she had just about the i baptized you in the name of the father and of the son and the holy spirit. A man a pipe is going to touch with you trying to find leaking. We printed the records just completely looks like there are a lot of move some of the general public that i always described to it. And i dont see why we shouldnt talk about it. 2 for that as well. Wondering if i see this one you see, and i usually meet with people here in the rectory here. Its a religious building with statues and religious symbols have done this at this point as we already get an idea of a persons level of investigation or vexatious angel. What does accessory on that this sort of person who is severely spiritual . You infected small . I cant even walk through the rectory store sea level direct. You will agree easy. When you start here i have a container with the eucharist inside. What if someone in your team was because as they would have already left this room, it is because it triggers a very strong reaction to the actual fault of you have the host in your pocket suitable. Youll see, you know, controls, but exactly. Then another thing that is, when i examine a person who feels possessed, i sprinkled them with water that hasnt been blessed, do not buy it. Theyve been to see that this one of the person reacts very strongly cic one. That indicates that it cycle sematic the so much so a lot, some a bit of a tough and i can say this a good chance. Its not a reaction from the devil because the water wasnt less on the page. The extra 100. Yep. Exclusive limited. The total guessing just if you break your leg, you know why and how it can be healed. But if you have a spiritual problem, then youre completely helpless. Confidentiality means its going to you introduce yourself as an exhaustive . No, no, i dont talk about it. Many of my parishioners dont know, just finished research. We have we have all age groups, slightly more women than men warranty. But sometimes parents bring their children full, sometimes teenagers, usually they come because theyre grappling with a deep malays performed by that. They feel things inside them that they cant explain, was to nice bike speak to the default seems all costs and sometimes theyve already seen a psychiatrist that push and either they feel the diagnosis didnt resonate swipe or the psychiatrist didnt understand what they were experiencing security survive theyve often visited fortune tellers or card readers did use the comp discloses and at some point someone has said, what you have is terrible. I cant do anything for you. You have to go to an exorcist. And then they just assumed the village, sean, and thats me mind you will solve the problem immediately with a prayer image, but thats not how it works successfully the the subject fun. Yeah. Well trivial. I remember the very 1st time id heard you could pray for people who would practice spiritualism. A person came to confession and said, ive been practicing spiritualism for a long time. Use my civil, i feel bad. I dont know whats going on us. And i said listen, its all right, see, ill give you absolution and then ill pray for you. Yeah. For the and as i started to pray, she started screaming. Youre hurting me 1st month is and i realized something unexpected was happening. Get it, get it. But k, u g, i was amazed that a prayer could do Something Like that. So h and things i had never seen before. I mean, just a, just like a person rolling on the floor. This person reacting because i was wearing the store additional things like that. Usually its incredible. Like it really works. Thats an option phone call. Thats just how much. What i knew the goose book is about the rituals of exorcism and prayers or supplication. I dont. Yes, its not something you can just find in any corner bookstore at a community basic. What can i read about these rituals . I dont know if you could read it, but there arent many copies and circulation could these could, theyll send you through soup usually handed out personally from the day, also some bishop to the priest in charge of the exercise and all that the pointing. So its a condo now just to, its like giving us ground, pulled to someone who knows nothing about medicine, nor surgery g. A better just a. We put all dangerous if it falls into the wrong hands only to one. So it has to be accessed isnt take place is wes coulton lot. Can you describe it to well not dr. Kids must be to a look. I love excellent. Elizabeth taylor, the ritual to the person and their individual needs sub, so salty mall clearing the 1st stage, the dominant feeling as hostilities. And i think like theres something that wants to tear us down the past. So this is the vexation or obsession stage. Up to me, pretty full. When someone reaches the stage of infestation, there are stronger symptoms. What the person finds objects had been moved around at home. Shame what these we experienced, bad smells during the waking up at night in terror for sensing a presence in a solid email to please. Unfortunately, for these people, this is often only seen or stop by them. It is this investigation is the only the one that faced us through study team see dont come up with the issue. The last stage, dispossession law. This is extremely rare. A person slips away from themselves. Often its not the person themselves, reports that the people around them who say, listen, i dont know whats going on. Suddenly theyve gone into a kind of frenzy. I dont recognize them anymore. They dont seem to space to sit person is no longer themselves. Certainly pretty quick when you fix on a model name, they pretty much nothing they could define whats also quite common in possession is limitation to call those. Ive got the position, you see the body contort and the person speak the language. They dont no longer via email, thats very disturbing kids with that more evil. Once to silence, use it get controls, keep this cube reminded will fit the the scene all this with you. Oh not, isnt we . Yes. Exam proceed. Good control is also a phenomenon that looks like normal vomiting at 1st of the book and last 10 to 15 minutes. Im sorry about that, but it doesnt seem to stop at all or said nothing, but thats what i think it really is. The demon little demo. This is c a class. Thats because its hard to believe or even imagine what to say to skeptics or the i will agree is enough. I can only report what ive seen with my own eyes at the risk of being called crazy. Not, but i dont care about that. So magenta got, looks of it. So you really believe that definitely exist there now. We yes. Without a doubt is your point. I think the church needs to be clear about is clear, i think so. The Catholic Church has always recognized the existence of sation, but its long being wary of focusing too much attention on this change with integration of cope. Francis and his speech is the pope proclaimed that the devil really does exist, thereby legitimizing the practice of exorcism. But in switzerland, Certain Church represent to suppose this fee based approach. In 2020 to the bishop of church, announced that he would illuminate dx, assist post in his diocese. Sparky debate. Bidding that side minus 4, think the hutton, i mean during the time of my pre to assess the we have next. This is from on the senior christoph cassette. Hes got an influx of people came to him from out diocese from other diocese on that. And also from a brewer show at ocean, our son affiliated to inc. Looks like say that created demand and then on below, but you dont see a need for this. Its a fee escaped, im producing the spreadsheet. I mentioned there is a need because many people is suffering through feeling torments. It hurt and exhausted. All my more team, but you have to build a team of experts who can deal with these requests. Im stuck in the out of items all task, but all the lease requires cooperation and exchange between different textbooks and each blows what i mean, not just priests, but also psychologists and psychotherapists. The people trained to recognize what situation that particular person is in the country to add to your irish. Think that the phone see should be faint to come into good classes early because it gets on the exhaust. I read in a press release that issues of exorcism can be dealt with by medication and psychiatry just some of that. Im sorry, but thats not. That would mean that there are no extraordinary demonic acts. If it can be treated medically sustained, a problem. Its missed your tools to collect a strong to, to get peace. But what really saddens me is to hear, there isnt a priest there who can help people in need for these items. Are they packaged from washington, d. C. On these for me its a stepping back on the part of a church thats good. I think its a great shame. Like people speaking as a former soldier, i believe in facility. My duty at all costs is cool, and this duty includes deliberating souls and casting out the state. And when hes there in the shop, the set set talk you did. If the church steps back from this duty, others will step in, dont fall, could be assigned to, but i will proceed. I feel a little depressed and tired now to to i still feel blockages. It will cost me such and all of your inner self skills that you know so exactly its the spirit is that thats normal. It can take many months, then dont worry. Its because youre still possessed to accomplish. Normally catholic priests dont allow existence to be film to be a diesel, isnt camera shot Video Centers per year. This is what you said, your uncle simulations. And you also tell me who you know, available to us, please be able to get up here with a deal which will contribute to showing you can Google Google save months and we needed to go to the know any by the by you say when it comes up available, it can you look into that potentially for sports and valid or not . Because to be your senior, we do send you an exhaust, but you can still use a company who he already bought this piece and you all to please ill be able to do to be off. Could you do to do sort of a mental dick on monday, monday to dont when the gift of healing was revealed to me in need of a force arose in me an inner forest stronger than myself. In the shop i see all the people who come to me have often tried everything. I need nothing words for them and they dont understand why he complained about are you cause assistance arriving here . I felt on wells of this it got switched to the function. Thats something inside your still possessed. You can see when nothing else works, thats often whats behind it. Its not always. If i do have the check was what you sent to me. I you dont know why it happens to my boss. I see myself doing it. Good, i cant stop it. A clinical comply assume youve had treatments. We usually have other jobs sources. Yes, ive been to a psychiatrist and psychologist im enough to assistant myself and hes a senior. Come on. What else . So im familiar with conventional medicine because oh so the symptoms correspond to what doctors called depression, the son of the preschool in new york. Yeah. Point and it says, this isnt the exact same demonic position or not. During the 45 minute session, we witnessed real agony, the sort of person compounds on you. You cant be alone with it. It can kill you treat a country he does evil tool dialed me sometimes, which i once passed what his name was and why he was in this body. I said the body wasnt his and to return it to god. What did he say . Youre annoying me. Stop it, you cant hurt me. Ive had to talk to you because for you that i sent accordingly said you the 3 quarters of the people who come to me now have practiced spiritualism in, you know, exhausting either. So they wanted to know something or talk to their grandfather, grandmother, uncle. Im the type of young people to be where this is dangerous either the demon will speak exactly like your loved one. Youll pretend to be that most, but its the demon. Itll probably be able, difficult. Zillow, did you go back to michigan . I thought with lucifer and even said, you had a rough voice and eyes if you decided makes you think it was terrible to give you. Yeah, theres just all these people the ones that to discuss this. 7 how do you know the demons of good g . I knew 51. If the person has eliminated him, the person has to eliminate him from the front door back from the loan. But i, you know, i need to sit down come on both of these sessions, lock me. Do you remember me . Just go to this, im aware of everything over here. So screaming. Yes, thats a good, thats really to start a 0 on some of the did you have a think you do feel possessed . Pursue the no. No, you sure, but i feel like im in a negative vicious tobacco really that you . Yeah, youre getting the were not getting the time to to meet that says yeah, hes also teaching to you and then theres another pot to. Ready its good that i could come tonight. It does you good . Is it a, can you go home . Yes. I dont. How many exorcisms to be done in the last 40 years . I dont know. Probably thousands got them show me. How much does it cost to 45 years will be exactly the same as 40 years ago. Dont forget that we use it. Now the sessions as a silence, im just going to be to yes, terrible. I can. One person spat out a snake jump on. This is make sense . Yes, that long. What do you mean by some people is basically what is it based on your personal . Ive seen people speaking spanish who didnt know it or arabic. German. You cant understand them. You know, no, thats one person who was possessed for 4 or 5 years was levitating, be for people trying to hold her down. She levitated with a new sort of a notification that levitation time. Yes. 50 centimeters. Unbelievable. Cause even though she stayed there for a while and then fell back again out of me, its gonna go strongly said, you know, to set you with the some view as well. I just think youre completely crazy or charlotte. So was it a charlotte . Dont this of course, talking about when youre not the one with the problem, its easy to call someone to charlotte them. Let me just see that. But when that changes and medicine can help, you know, and neither can anyone else does, then you might be glad to meet the person like me. A person like do dont come, you know, speaking im no language is knowing unknowable information. Having super human pallets is a role criteria is that the vatican has recognized as signs of possession. But is there a rational explanation . But in search of answers from the medical profession, as a scientist told extent to see these signs doesnt possession of it, ill leave that diagnosis to the next. This is in the vatican so. So what is these are extreme situations that we psychiatry has done see in hospitals to shoot an exam, news dash g, one exam police limitation repeat said visit possessed person, rises above the bed or anyone would be frightened to see dash. So there is a symptom in severe psychiatric cases, usually the way people get terrible muscle contractions. And they form an odd show me on the face of sheets over them. So it might look like the inflow thing with the shock solver, and thats the, as it goes, these precepts told you, they sold the devil. It was. Yeah, i love my most heat tribute. 2 days will do, man, will i do to every day . Is a doctor working with a diction . Dont you have 20 year olds with a heroine syringe in their arms telling you life sucks. I mean, if that isnt the devilish it by their job. Despite his scientific background check, the soul advocates for the use of exorcism within an appropriate framework. Psychiatrist has collaboration with priests and the practice of spiritual liberation. Most could see what was that exhaust cease, and i dont see it. I think we need to move beyond these outdated hollywood exorcisms. You cant scare people these days with a smiling devil with cones. No. I think it would be a good idea to develop a contemporary approach to exercise. Im going to take, you have to exempt that evil exist, its going to, its something that concerns people, 50 per demands and left with on met, spiritual needs in a disenchanted will be the plague by x, a central emptiness. So some wound is also to see if it would be to just offset the feeling an existential void satisfying, spiritual needs. Thats exactly what the Evangelical Church claims to our phone. We were in the Gospel Center on a place of worship, in the heart of the Industrial District of rome. The theater in french speaking, switzerland these believers, life is a constant battle between good and evil. Demons are everywhere and the cost is joy to drive them away. The sound of the Gospel Center is van and a man, a kind of magic stick, yes, presented by the congregations that his powers of deliverance. June was that go to the old god distributes his gifts dont. And i believe ive received a many spiritual gifts, but were not superhuman. You folks can tell me if they think the term exorcism often scares people is required, but i think deliverance is usually a more appropriate term thats less frightening them get present, pull p a k more. I dont have to tie people up about this. Ive never had to hold anyone down so they dont hit me on the tip of the list of people pay you to deliver it something . No, no. So to god bless you. I dont try to earn a living from praying for others in the fact that others make money from it doesnt bother me, but accept as good as you dont keep them. You know, he swallowed jumping over to do on this piano a busy day. And you know, i was just confirming duffys deliverance on hello the vice have a difficult to confuse when someone has something in their life that prevents them from living. A good normal life should be, all people have suffered, grievances, things that have hurt them is when people wallow in hatred, absolute in on forgiveness and profound anger. They open themselves up to evil spirits, but torment them. Amelia dont update the case and you also get to choose to many of the crews extra commit me, explain how the enemy works. So say id say the most common entry points is rejection. Is that you all right . Sounds like money was on a vacation with my wife. I met a woman who became agitated when she saw me, the spirit through the woman to the ground and began to beat separately. She said, this is my home and im not leaving, whoso am ill kill her and youll have a dead woman on your conscience. I spoke to the spirit. I dont normally come. I love you, said he was there because the womans mother had cursed her. My wife grabbed her wrist and said in the name of jesus, i untie you a man. Thats why she then told us her mother wanted to avoid her. But it was complicated. And then her desperation, her mother said the child belonged to the devil. Pray helped us in your thought was the one that this widespread, i told her to say it is lord jesus. I released myself from this curse and the spirit said homo and i want to go and we pray for him. And he went to the people, that is the best thing, the deliverance, what it gives you a kind of power. Most of the stuff i dont believe. So i believe that power never really resides in us. Since we have an authority thats given to us by god, its given to all who are believers. Uh this. Yes. But you shouldnt ever feel the need to say yes, i can deliver you. I have the power or anything, but it helps make you tears massey well yes, of course the the other day goals we talk about deliverance, but the power adults like lead during the deliverance process. People seem to get more tied off in the evangelical will view for some team and a logical symbolism, then they will have the full set to course as well. The stick some of the stick a. Whats quite this about these relationship is the a symmetry to show that its always the pasta oldest spiritual leader. Who knows whats good for the person on the receiving end. Its good both one event put us any systematically placed in an asymmetric relationship with air in syria. Of n a sit the, the pasta uses their woods to describe the persons disturbances at home and to experience deliverance. They must agree to enter into the positive symbolic weld. Its an extremely high price to pay them to feel liberated. Should they have to internalize a world view in which demons are avery . When they do most of the public shes talking im system cooling. Im married with 2 children. Im 50 and i leave the evangelical alliance. In french speaking, switzerland, as long as it needs to be so also say in but until 1010 acres are ive been practicing deliverance for 30 years and ive seen that it works. But, but i dont see the devil or angels or what did i say . Demons and evil spirits those and the deliverance you might see here or smell of them the salty hosea. So there are some spirits that have a very specific smell, but hes on the rates of control. Really geometry dominance. And witchcraft, smell like ammonia slippers based on my experience or walk of him or did you sound the most ideal of the for the long side, his role is lead to look into that as a bishop christy, and coon is also an expert on the team. And he even organized his 1st courses in deep knology for perspective. Cost is in french speaking, switzerland because if youre a big, tough guy and its because of how are you afraid of demon specificity . No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The authority of jesus christ is all encompassing, which is actually sort of the i see that the spirits are cornered easily. So sometimes they try to trick you or disguise themselves sort of an older, quite some spirits. Also claim to be satan, which is laughable because satan doesnt incarnate and peoples lives in los angeles, have a heavenly bodies, but demons dont count up their spirits. And in the same matter of fact, tone, christiane, explains how demons interest itself and outgoing fault triples could exist. The one minute put a dispute. I think there are basically 3 ways in which spirits can get into our lives called into our bodies. One is through repeated sending sharp, and you dont invite a lying spirit by lying one spot. If you persist, then you eventually get in a tangle of the gate opens. Yeah. Then there are dramatic circumstances. For example, if you have an accident, youre very vulnerable physically but also spiritually. But then when this can happen in operating rooms under anesthesia, youll see different on stuff and some, there are certain circumstances like these in which spirits are given the right to enter these s p. So most of the, the lot of homes that come up, yes. If you have cause a 3rd way, is heredity if he thought the sins of your ancestors kind of fact you move up. Well, im not back to someone. I deal with the bible says the open gate can be passed down 3 to 4 generations or 10 generations. In the case of childrens music, theres a now soldier now. So what do you mean by that to children . And theres a 2 or 4 picture children conceived out of wedlock or something. Theyre a special case in a simple site. We usually talk about curse is passing on to the next 3 or for generations. Wanted this to work because the, the spend, the disturbing moved fee is also him because the direct to the evangelical lines in french speaking, switzerland and shit. By many believe it was a man it doesnt stop in the or took the pool. Shes gateway sexuality behaviors to the mind. Do you see homosexuality is a comfortable gateway Paper Service mostly i meet with as a people or havent had the opportunity to pray for that particular problem upstairs. Its a life choice. Each of them is it, as long as people live regular secular lives without engaging spiritually with god. So we can work your magic to. But when they come to god, they may see there are things in their lives that need to be sorted out. Just as likely the body gets an obstacle, an obstacle. Yes. The most extra to, to fit best to you dont fit the the, the issue homosexuality according to their interpretation of the bible is one of the scenes that strengthens the demon. Since you find the selected by demons, its my fault of mine. And these, despite the attempts of deliverance, the demon cannot be costs down. Its because i failed to fully confess to something offices. So its a system thats extremely deal tore into the external experiences that the adrienne steve full code, the burden of built around for years. Peoples 14, when he moved to switzerland with his parents. Coming from an evangelical family, he joined the Church Community and hoped to find spiritual fulfillment that with audrey and soon realized he was attracted to boy d. Mosley. Possibly an easy as not to the moment i told the church about as they said it was not gods plan for me and that it was possible to be sealed from as long as he. Yeah. I think the best stuff to my company. Yes. More in that to the pastor of the church that there was a spirit associated with homosexuality. It had attached itself to me through a pop it from burma that was in my parents house the engine in my unit. And if you dont mind, sufficient about the products that, that by now scratch, well, it was set on fire in the garden with petrol hills. Best customer, he always said playoffs to sell newspapers because at that time it was believe that if an object was possessed by a spirit, the only way to drive it away was to burnett. If and im only going to push it over the years, audrey and experience mounting pressure from his church in geneva, he decided to take part in intensive week long conversion Therapy Program in new york. Was led by a postal code. Holly wonders at the pg. During the therapy i wrote down what happened every day and all those years, i kept a diary as well and thats and actually also done with the move at the charlotte commands, the demon thats bound to pain. It was loveless, nose and silent to leave, enjoying the throne of god. The demons begin to laugh and laugh. So making fun of the little boy suffering in the desert. Its feel stupid because even worse, if i had physical symptoms during the therapy was used up to show the it was like i could feel spirits coming out of me. Display the professional children want. Thats what was it like thats touch my neck and its the volume in the long neck of a reptiles. Is it kind of i feel its sticky scales. Just tell me the leviathan is a dragon and most of the kind of long snake with legs. He lives in deep waters inside me. Leviathan doesnt want to leave the can feel my throat constricting something. Im being strangled by the leviathan whos tormenting me to check with you. Sure foster just yeah. I thought id been liberated when i left, i thought i could be with god wanted me to be better, a sexual or 6 and i could fit into his plans and also because what happens next send you, ill send you. Uh, cuz cuz this deliverance less than to your wonderful human nature takes over again, you know, vanity or penalty when you start to live according to your desires. Again, what is your dreams and the things that make up the richness of your humanity. Id say that its just develops community a lot of music at that moment you feel in a normal skills thats going to destroy you even more of this is your thoughts too . I think i was manipulated and that it was in fact spiritual abuse. Can i tell you whats the absolute truth explained . Theres no other way in your body to shut off this doesnt tony happening . Evangelical circles, clergy from other religious groups, also engage in frequent and excessive deliverance and extra system practices. In the south of france, we may so will include lucy, the 50 year old is originally from metal gasket. She was adopted by a family, it was close ties to the society of saint plants. The 10th of fundamentalist Catholic Community founded in switzerland, in 1970. The group has been controversial, have done the same society. The father has a dominant pro. Hes that to come on and make sure the whole family stays on the right path of religion. Do that. Hes the patriarch on that and thats yes. Lucy met her husband through the society. She married him with a teen, became pregnant to 20 and had 5 children. Kind of lose things with him. So thats pretty, very bad too. There was a lot of violence to could slaps kicks punches to show the credits. I sought help from the priests and my parish. One priest in particular, even though he blamed me ministry, told me im too dominant towards my husband, that i should be submissive with me to do to make you sad. Oh, my outburst of anger. What triggered by a demon, he linked it to my past because of it that i was adopted by him as the tribe and the crisis had to be removed from me for that. So you miss. So just see of us to do 3 views and when you see the cleanings, youll see some had about 20 extra systems. And 6 years of success, they take place in the prior in the Priests Office youll see an exorcism. Last up to 15 minutes. Youre on your knees, you have to confess your sins. You will have to wait for the priest to say his prize and press on your chest because of the demons. Come out, charlie, do. Command security and catholic. I really accepted the priests advice because i wanted to save my family and my marriage is just recommended for pre mesh to despise the s. Its the beach and this continues. So the c finally asked to husband to leave the matter to home the societies and attempted one last extra system to change her mind. Set no set up visions that night there was a knock at the door. I opened it and the priest came in and pulled me into the seller. She wanted to cost out the demon and me by trying to get me to say i was wrong, delta g. I was afraid to do Something Back to me. I told myself, you wouldnt attack me in my own home, and you didnt have the right to take. My childrens name is also the for 20 to think to most about the definitely the society of st highest. The goal is not to go to health. Please dont exorcism is coming among the priest. The just the thought he put it on. Are you still in the Society Today . Nations . Did you talk to leslie . No, not anymore. Your list. Im still a believer, but im not practicing. Im very glad i laugh as you just click the phones on the occlusal to lucy is not an ice slice case of the testimonies engine, internal documents, cooperation. The practice of exorcism within the society suggest its perform regularly. We contacted the society, switzerland, but received no response. The bishop of cheer, which is extreme caution when it comes to exorcisms, is 12 it this to say that off to achieve speed in vc insistence on exorcisms is not good pastoral can. The primary task christ entrusted to us was not to find tables, but to proclaim salvation and goodness and, and thats kind of the school day. So for the couldnt to steer. I know the feeling, the devil drive people towards god. A 9 by the thats been this is a teeth and be the right to the see. No, because driving people would mean forcing people to do something and then not free us and that has no value to god. The greatest gift god has given to us is now freedom. We can only love if we are free print and noting fry hide even the sun, disney to separate at all times with my former evangelical community. So we just really, the more, the more about school, about 10 years ago itd be sure point where i felt like a bill was being lifted. It would be easier to use it cuz i realize that maybe everything i believe had actually been drilled into me and was not from god since. And if i didnt you . Yes. In the law yet. And this made it possible for me to reconcile my identity and my spirituality. He must really try to take ca, 20 percent. So dont that, did you say shop the antenna l g b t i geneva griffin, the Protestant Church here because of your personal experiences and then we choose yes. Okay, perfect. So ready to offer others that space of self discovery and reconciliation that i had been missing a delinquency. I spoke to team, im ok only, but up we were here neither to judge nor to impose our views on other people. Such symbols is a class, obviously been a and just show us thats good enough. Why the of us to believe in things we cant see. Missive. I think my faith is still alive and real put the fellow to the home. But of course, its very different from my former face of moment because there be ideal was lined, face is drawing for intelligence and freedom of thought and interpretation. More stifled results that need us to do policy. Delta critical to just the most, cuz most its up to you. 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