Our biggest victory, of course, it is participation, i ask, it is indisputable, and we see that china is starting to play an increasingly larger role in the formation of these principles on which peace in ukraine will be formed. There are several reasons why china is starting to take a more active role. It is pleasant for us that Everyone Wants to be on the side of the winners, and in the future to take part in the reconstruction of ukraine, and for ukraine to remember the role played by china , for this role to be positive, another reason for it looks less positive to us because chinas participation is needed. Also, in order to balance the position of the United States of america in a certain way, it is great for the audience that even in the chinese peace plan , the first point is respect for territorial integrity. However, unlike the ukrainian peace plan, it is a matter of negotiations it says the withdrawal, well, that is, it does not say about the withdrawal of Russian Troops, it says immediately about the negotiations. And there can really be a danger in this, that is, will it push china just to the the peaceful fruition of the peace plan, taking into account the interests of the aggressor of the Russian Federation, yes. Well, we need to understand that saudi arabia, together with the au and egypt, proposed its peace plan. That is, we now have the participation of ukraine. It is obvious that the formula of president zelensky is the basis of all these plans, and we explain to other states what exactly is at the basis of zelenskyis formula , that all these summits are aimed at developing a general common position and that ukraine must be ready that in separate wordings yes, we may have to depart from the formula that was proposed by the president , but we must clearly say that there will be no negotiations until that moment while Russian Troops are on the territory of ukraine so for us to hold some conversations based on separate wordings and well, this is a diplomatic approach unfortunately , ukraine is a victim of aggression, and russia has violated International Law, but violation of International Law leads to the restoration of peace. Next , diplomacy is needed in order to attract the Russian Federation and all persons who committed International Crimes should be held accountable, mr. Dmytro, lets talk about what actually surprised you at this summit, the participation of which countries, first of all , it is possible, on the contrary, you would like more participants, and hmm, and their their proposals were also heard and would certainly be interesting to begin with an evaluation and specifically for the participants, if you please know. Wide among the participants, as far as im concerned, because were already here, if you look even at the participants , who are we talking about, er, hmm, this is what, by the way, er , the Russian Federation often appealed about the fact that the west is fighting against it. United around ukraine and supports ukraine in diplomatic terms, and russia has always acted as such a country that appealed to the global south to africa to asia. Supported by saudi arabia and others the participants of the information include representatives of asia and the arab world and er africa and whats more the peoples republic of china er here i am a farsighted person to talk about the fact that the peoples republic of china will definitely put pressure directly on the Russian Federation all the same after all, yes, there are relations there, let it be that by and large it is like the relations there of such a junior partner on the part of russia and china as an older one, but in fact, the peoples republic of china was forced to take participation in this event because it is different it turns out that the processes are global, that is what colleagues were talking about just now, in which ukraine is leading of this formal plan of myrny, which actually looks like everything is good against everything bad , and here and there is a specific site where we had to go, and this is very revealing, and in relation to the other participants, it seems very good to me that we we are watching a very good one trend yes what, for example, are the comoros islands that were part of the african from er proposal of the african plan yes that is, it is already the case this shows that the participation of the president of ukraine in the arab summit was not a onetime event. Yes , it was by chance, although in fact it was clear from the very beginning that this was a change in attitude towards ukraine and the success of the ukrainian politicians of the arab world, and the fact that there are systemic relations with, by the way, also complicated ukraine, which also maintains its relations with the Russian Federation, but ukraine can also use its potential for that, for example, to Exchange Prisoners right through the middle of saudi arabia, that is, how should i to talk about this about mm, they are rightly talking about what colleagues say about the fact that there is a low number of Peace Initiatives, but in fact, it is really a Peace Initiative of ukraine itself, the ukrainian formula for peace, it is the most reasonable, the most er prepared and more than anything actually er agreed with the law thats the main thing and in principle what was happening. It seems to me er we are recognition of the importance of ukraine and you know when they talk about what well there were also countries that later, uh, suddenly, not suddenly, yes, they will deliberately convey to russia what it was about. Well, thats the way it was in principle and the idea , thats how it should be. Yes, that is, russia was not invited because it was arabia at the time. How does this side accept it . She said that we will inform russia, but later it will be over about the results of the event, i would like to add here that in fact, the actual head of saudi arabias pocketbook is the crown prince muhammad and bensalam, he is considered to be almost a personal friend of putin, and here is the situation when putin was not invited or someone from russia was not invited to the event in saudi arabia what is this about, what kind of signal is this giving to the world, mr. Dmytro, i think that this is clear evidence that , first of all, the importance of russia has decreased. Of the global level yes, even there , of course, russia is now starting to say that it is not necessary and they are continuing the special operation. Yes, there are many countries among the invited that continue relations with it, but what is interesting is that earlier, in events of this level, if russia had not been present, many of them from these countries would simply not have agreed to participate or something because of the fact that, well, it already looks like that demarche towards the Russian Federation and now, no, now this is already a trend, so to speak, of behavior in relation to the aggressor country, she even if and until she maintains her position in the economy there and can circumvent sanctions and there are bilateral relations but but in a Decent Society she is no longer called and in principle even those who do not like it are silent about it, a vivid example and event because it is really in the Simple Society of russia now again thank you very much dmytro levus e political scientistinternational was with us, we are grateful to you lets talk a little about the reaction in the Russian Federation, we indirectly and touched you, oleg, and actually our audience, but sometimes some of our interlocutors say that it is probably not worth quoting mentally ill people. He is an urban and russian freak, this is the deputy head of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, the war criminal dmytro medvedeev, and he in particular commented on the meeting in saudi arabia, he said so, and everything that was said there had absolutely no consequences wont have because of what im quoting russia doesnt need negotiations until ukraine crawls on its knees with a request for er capitulation or whatever until it begs to be spared like the original and this declaration fake or what can uhum what can it indicate these are the expressions, do they reflect the official position of the russian state, in my opinion, they reflect the russian coat of arms, because before that putin said that they really want negotiations, but the damned west does not want to communicate with zelensky issued a decree, and here the bear comes out, another head says, and until they crawl, i wonder where they formulate these opinions, if you take it as a chicken, yes, i think that it is very much in other bodies, thats why its like that mysterious russian soul, they are offended because if it was as they say, they wouldnt have paid attention, but really, and right away , they are insulted. Saudi arabia is the same country that now observes neutrality, but in many moments it is friendly with russia and in many moments it is not friendly. So here is an interesting case that there could also be negotiations between the United States and representatives of saudi arabia because the United States wants to improve relations and russia is sitting on this birthday and they were not invited but always invited. She used to talk about ukraine without ukraine but now you the next moments that will happen now we talked without her then the next round will be the same again he is not going to invite and then if i am not mistaken this year by the end of the year should take place she wont be invited anywhere, and this is a trend, and its clear that theyre freaking out, theyre shelling this country. Theyre aiming at the government quarter , whatever, but theyre behaving like an adult, but id like one more , one more thesis of war criminal medveev, so that commented on the fact that without the participation of russia, they will not have practical consequences , well, he simply replaces the concept that these are not peace talks of ukraine to do something, then they appeared that they were already forced to do something and it was carried out, and our media said that these are negotiations. No , this is a consultation. In my opinion, it would be more correct to say around the formula of a common vision. Is being formed, and russia wants the results to be there immediately, and it is clear that at some stage of the formulary there is a cool phrase that i really like , the fixation of the end of the war is not peace, there will be no peace with russia, well, there is no way it can happen in this situation, there will be some kind of situation when they will be forced to sign some kind of agreement, but it will not be one. I am sure that it will not be called peaceful, and then maybe russia will be there, and it is important that this russia will be in the oasis of its time together with medved, he told himself for a very long time and in principle he should watch movies about fascist germany there, everyone graduated really magically. Then they were hanged. And now again he will just sit for 100 years, yes, how many. By itself, yes, therefore, his reaction is understandable and logical, and it is not aimed at us, but at the russians, because thats how we elbows are and even the cool ukraine will get stuck with the bread and such, and they do not consider another option, that russia will be forced to crawl in front of the civilized world for a very long time, because ukraine is a representative of the civilized world , mr. Roman, we definitely want to hear your opinion about such statements lunatics or semischizophrenics, is it possible at all but first we will add, because we mentioned the following talks about the possibility that they have certain defects in psychological everyones health but when it comes to the enemy then what is hmm here as they say what should be lets first give you information assumptions about when the next round of negotiations may take place and after right here jidi so there is the next infa and the next round of negotiations on the war in russia against ukraine may take place during indias 20th right here, which will last september 910 , bloomberg writes about this, referring to french diplomats who shared this information on condition of anonymity, and at the same time, russia pseudoelections are going to be held in the purchased territories, or what they call elections. And i would also like to add that russia was not invited to the next negotiations, but for example, the chief adviser to the president of brazil during the vjidzi event said the following next time, quote, the real negotiations should be organized with the participation of all parties, i. E. Including the Russian Federation , for what uhuh, all respectable meeting, um, it did not officially express support and was opposed by the majority. Your reaction is also your perception of what the kremlin publicists allow themselves in the statements that ukraine should crawl there or do Something Else so that peace will come and then we will actually talk about where they can take place. Yes, look, first of all, pay attention. It is necessary to document the evidence as the basis of criminal proceedings both in ukraine and in International Judicial institutions, but take it seriously. I would not, because Dmytro Medvedev already it has long played a rather specific role in the Russian Federation itself, and all these statements are aimed at the domestic consumer. Look at one of the most important results, and this is exactly what happened in saudi arabia , how much we talk about it, because if you ask , do you remember where the previous summit was held at which the peace formula was discussed . What is it that few people will answer yes, even though it was in copenhagen well, if you ask when it was, there is no answer at all and here is the fact that this time it was not so much that it managed to attract the attention of the whole world and the Russian Federation. This is already a very significant victory and you know the formula it should be the basis of peace. Also, this formula of peace was called not only the ukrainian formula of peace, because before the ukrainian formula of peace, well, this is what one of the parties to the conflict is proposing. That this global site of peace will really be held in the country. Well, there we are. We have already succeeded in the position that will form the basis of the negotiations with the russian fairy in the future. Lets talk about this. Roman and from you olezhe, we agreed well here is this peace plan under which they will sign. For example, ukraine there were 40 participating countries there at this meeting in saudi arabia , yes, most of them there supported for the most part ah this plan for example, we agreed and created it how we will what to force russia to carry out this plan, that is, what happens next, for example, diplomatic success was achieved, and they agreed on what to do next for both of us, please, mr. Oleg , let us ask you, well, first of all, mr. Roman said that it should be global, and i agree with him, thats why that at some stage it should grow into a global one, because what we have is sewn into this formula. Excuse me for the expression, to ask for International Law to return to the limits of International Law, and this is not only a ukrainian issue, it is a global issue. And if this image that you painted is positive, it has to be truly global, there should be not 40 countries, but 140 conditionally. Yes, so that it is a decision of the whole world, and this is a world decision against russia , that is, not ukraine , and the damned west is pressing. And china and ukraine , that is, everyone says well, most african countries would be very cool and it is clear that you and i are realists so they will shoot at us with missiles, they will spit medvedev will again tell something about who owes where, but it will be in from a political point of view, it is very, very important. It is clear that russia may not obey, but the states that sign this declaration will continue to exist even then. Well , when the whole world said that it is an aggressor, that it is aggression, and that there is no doubt, not even at the un site, that it really is there is russia in this in this role, then the attitude towards it will be different, it is not a fact that they will stop the war, but this obstruction should be worldwide and it will be very important precisely in the political sense because , look, we should consider this war as a hybrid and a political component, this is part of a hybrid attack against russia, thats exactly how i see it. Thank you, it was really important to talk about it, and please, mr. Roman , well, look, we are talking about ourselves in saudi arabia. Lets use the example of saudi arabia, what it can do to pressure the Russian Federation, they are now actively cooperating with Oil Prices Saudi Arabia is starting to produce more oil prices are falling uh Russian Federation has less resources russia agrees to the demands of ukraine or will it be like that well its an ideal world yes uh its obvious but every state can do everything it is possible for the Russian Federation to invite these negotiations and withdraw its troops from the territory of ukraine and this conflict. At least it is burning, that is how this global peace formula should contribute, even if it will not have an effect, but if there is an opportunity to refer to it, the same brazil or the same china already an important step for putting pressure on the Russian Federation, mr. Oleg mentioned that the declaration will actually be signed, or should it really be signed, because probably a part of the audience, a part of the ukrainian public , was waiting for something to be possible after all the declarative document should be signed at the summit, but this did not happen, and perhaps it should not have happened, and the document should not have been signed. None of them should have been signed , but this is what mr. Already 20, or is it possible in some other city at another time, but as a result of these meetings, these negotiations, should we go to some conditional document, we should go to the global peace summit, in my opinion, it will be the culmination and there will be an appeal to russia conditionally yes, i can call it in different ways, here it is possible to declare an appeal, but it will be a resolution, but it will simply be signed by these countries. This is not enough because it is still at this stage. What is happening now . Zelensky is still in kopargan or after him . He said that if you dont like the whole formula, yes, you can add to specific points, and now at this summit it has already happened that some countries are ready, we will work here , and a working group has been created, so here are the results uh, you understand, not every uh, such an event should end, as for me, with the signing of some documents. Because it is considered as a consultative body now. If novels yes yes opinion on this see as an International Lawyer when i hear the word signing i immediately think of legal yes uh about obligations that in case of nonfulfillment of these obligations about uh the reaction and the answer actually here will be very difficult reach the authority to sign and so on, yes, saudi arabia did not plan to sign anything, even a joint declaration was certainly not planned, but if it is possible to bring them closer to nastya, it is an axiom for us that this will already be a sufficient result, and in this regard, i am sure that there is an International Matter recognized by everyone except the Russian Federations still have cups of states , so here you need to be very careful diplomatically , but you dont need to hope for a quick result from this declaration, unfortunately, saying so , please, er, say that of course peaceful about the peace plan of volodymyr zelenskyi, we said that lets talk again, er, those points with which all our partners mostly agree, and those with which they can be certain. It wont be ok , even countries that are not our biggest partners there in terms of military aid, etc. , support the territorial goal. As far as i understand, there is a problem with the fact that Russian Troops must first be withdrawn after moreover, there are already certain conversations about reparations, about the end of the war, etc. , such as this moment. What other moment can be controversial, how will we overcome this opposition, precisely in the context of the withdrawal of Russian Troops, well, there are positive ones that can unite countries, this is food security, this is Nuclear Security environmental safety, thats all, thats all, thats it, well, thats it, well, axiom , yes, everything will burn, but for example, i think that my favorite point is the fixation of vi as a result of the war, this can also cause, because you understand. I think that in these summits should be formed as a result well, what mr. Roman said is at least one positive thing that everyone will unite, as well as the vision of victory, the vision of the end of the war, so that it is the same for everyone, if it is different, we will never agree, but for me, for example, the Russian Federation does not exist well, thats fine, fine, they wont agree, but there should be a smaller one with it, they should make it so that its fascist germany, its fine , well, its clear that no one will go, that is , there will be some internal processes and these formulations, and i think that if no the last one is wrong, yes, because he insists that justice is also there, how will this justice look like for iran , for saudi arabia, for the United States, and for ukraine, and somehow, well, for the same russia, that is why there are contradictory moments, that is why zelensky suggested that it is possible in clusters , i. E. We like this. Oh, lets all work here. If you dont like it, then work elsewhere in Nuclear Safety and so on, but then well all come to a common result, mr. Roman. Actually, this is a pointbypoint breakdown and a proposal to take for each of the countries, for example, some points that are of interest to her, as close as possible, there were proposals from brazil, today they were often mentioned in a good and in a less good tone, but if you are concerned about the environment there, you can join this point. And if Nuclear Safety worries china, china either please become one of the massadors of this point, this fragmentation and consolidation of each of the countries or several countries on certain specific points, will it be effective, do you think , well, it can be effective, you know, this is an unusual approach to International Relations ukraine has already demonstrated that