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Welcome, everybody. Im neil cavuto. Glad to be back. My thanks to million colleagues for working so hard in my absence. Now to bryan llenas in fulton county, georgia with more on the fallout from that indictment that is having reverberations across the country. Bryan . Neil, good afternoon. No doubt this is the most wide ranging of the four indictments that former President Trump is facing. Of course, the grand jury late last night voting to indict the former president. 18 of his associates. The d. A. Here in fulton county, georgia, foni willis saying that they were operating as a criminal enterprise. Heres a snippet from that indictment. Defendants refused to accept that trump lost and they knowingly and willfully joined a Conspiracy Top unlawfully change the outcome of the election in favor of trump. Trump faces 13 criminal charges including a racketeering rico charge, which if guilty carries a fiveyear sentence, 25,000 fine or both. The other 18 defendants include his former chief of staff, markmer doughs, rudy guliani, john eastman and sydney powell. The 98 Page Indictment alleges the defendants lied and committed fraud to persuade Georgia Legislators to reject georgias duly electoral vote and to replace them with fake electors. Theres charges related to stealing data from Voting Machines in small rural coffee county. The d. A. Says she intends to try all 19 defendants at the same time and to find a trial date keeping in mind that trump has three other criminal cases. Listen. I dont have any desire to be first or last. I want to try him. We do want to move this case along. So we will be asking for a proposed order that occurs a trial date within the next six months. On truth social today, trump said he would release a Quote Large Complex Detailed but irrefutable report on the Election Fraud in georgia next monday. Brian kemp said the 2020 election was not stolen for three years now, anyone with evidence of fraud has failed to couple forward under oath and prove anything in a court of law. Trump has until noon next Friday August 25 to turn himself in. Remember, cameras are allowed in court and also, neil, we have an update on what we talked about with martha recently. The fulton county, georgia clerk released a statement showing how a copy of the charges was released hours before this grand jury voted to inindictment. An identical copy. The clerk released a statement saying they were operating a trial run and happened to use for the system because they were anticipate ago large indictment. In that trial run, they happened to use the charges that were then in the indictment for the former president. They said it is a fictitious document because it did not include the official stamp from the clerk. Neil . Neil i notice he would not let go of that with her. Good for you. Bryan llenas following all of that in atlanta. If we get any updates, well keep you posted. The other saga around hunter biden and the plea deal that fell apart. Hunter biden and his lawyers are saying it wasnt fair. The government reneged. The government said we didnt reneg on anything. David spunt has more. How things change in three weeks. Three weeks ago tomorrow when david weiss, the now Special Counsel and hunter biden were in a courtroom in delaware before a judge. They were moments away before it fell apart in open court. Now the Special Counsel is fighting back against Hunter Bidens attorneys writing the government did not as you say reneg on the previously agreed upon Plea Agreement as the defendant inaccurately asserts in the first substantive sentence. Hunter bidens attorneys say the Diversion Agreement on the gun where hunter is accused of lying on a gun form is valid because it was signed by both parties. Abby lowell wrote the defendant intends to abide by the Diversion Agreement executed at the july 26th hearing. The parties have a valid and binding by late raleigh Diversion Agreement. They what abby lowell said on camera. Special counsel david weiss team says not so fast. The Diversion Agreement was not valid even though it was signed. The withdrawn Diversion Agreement is not in effect. Hunter is also parting ways with his lead attorney in the matter, chris clark who had been dealing with this case, the architect of the plea deal when it fell through in open court. Abby lowell, a power house d. C. Attorney that represented bill clinton, Jared Kushner is on the case officially. Hes been involved in other matters involving the president s son. The way hunters team is framing this is that chris clark may be a witness in an upcoming case about this Plea Agreement falling through. According to a delaware code of conduct rule, an attorney that will be a witness in a future case cannot currently be an attorney. Thats why clark is out and lowell is in. Neil . I think i got it. David, thanks very much. Tom dupree and katie are here. Brilliant lawyers to sort of pick apart both cases. Tom, i want your take on Hunter Bidens lawyers demanding the Department Of Justice honor that part of the plea deal. Seems to have been blown up now and nowhere near getting back together. What do you think . Im very skeptical of Hunter Bidens lawyers argument that this is binding and valid. It was not approved by the judge. Although theres some truth that Diversion Agreements are different than Plea Agreements, i dont see how they can have a Binding Agreement if the Justice Department does ant agree that this Diversion Agreement is in effect. Its all fine and good for Hunter Bidens legal team to say were going to follow the terms of the Diversion Agreement. If doj doesnt see it that way, i dont know how much good it is for them. Neil katie, id like to get a sense of what david weiss who is in this capacity in a grander role, whether he changes right now, broadens the case himself, whether republicans who arent a fan of what hes done before in being a key part of that plea bargain can be trusted here. I think weiss is compromised. Hes allegedly looked into this case for five years. I cant imagine what Additional Investigation hes going to undertake. Im not optimistic in terms of any sort of legitimate differences in the outcome here. Again, i agree that that plea bargain is not going to be in effect at this point because part of that required that the judge actually act as a fact finder in terms of the terms of that probationary deal. That is a null and void argument. Neil if i can go back to the trump case, the fourth indictment against the president. I am curious that in this one, in particularly in georgia, he cant pardon himself out of it. What does that mean . Yeah. Thats true. Its different under state or federal federal offenses but cannot pardon state offenses. It just underscores the potential serious any of this charge. Its one thing for former President Trump to be fighting off charges in the federal system where potentially he would have a pardon power down the road. On the state side though, the calculus shifts. He couldnt pardon himself and he couldnt direct a georgia prosecutors to drop the case. So i think it underscores the significance, the potential severity of how this plays out. Also wouldnt surprise me that if President Trumps legal team tries to blow this case out of state court and pull it in to Federal Court where the president would think he would draw a more favorable judge and would draw a more favorable jury pool. Martha neil i can understand the defense will always want to postpone and push back trials. That i get. I can understand the prosecutors wanting to in in particular case expedite. But theres a lot of cases here were talking about. A lot of charges. 91 criminal charges. Do you envision any of them as they stand now getting adjudicated or even addressed before the election . Well, the right to a speedy trial is by and large a defendants right. Every prosecutor has said that. The defense needs time to go through the ed, all the discovery and ultimately any of these defendants, including donald trump, if they decide to release counsel on the eve of trial, they will likely be allowed to do so, which would prolong the trial even further. So i think for all practical purposes, its going to be very difficult to get these cases to go to trial. These are complex litigationtype cases. Within the next six months in my opinion. Neil so having said that, tom, and this this georgia case specifically and uses the rico act, largely reserved for mob figures and the like at least in the past, the likelihood of that getting done before the election or at least even starting before the election seems remote, but could i miss something here . Id say its remote to zero. I dont see how this case moves forward quickly. The prosecutor made the decision to swing for the fences. She named nearly two dozen defendants. She included sprawling charges. Any time they try to manage a case with nearly 20 defendants, particularly a case like this one that is on a complicated facts, conduct that expands years, theres no way you can move it forward quickly. Too many variables, too many balls to juggle in the air. Not to mention the possibility of trump tries to remove it from state court to Federal Court that will add months to to process. Theres no way that they can mow forward before the election. Its not likely. 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Biden has made the bidenomics message his main selling point for the reelection campaign. Guess what . The higher percentage of American Workers working today than ever before. While unemployment is down in case you havent noticed, inflation is down and going lower. The republican senator john kennedy says he believes the damage is done. High prices, they are permanent. Even if inflation goes to zero tomorrow, were still going to be stuck with these higher prices, which are a direct result of President Bidens economic policy. And the location for todays speech, milwaukee, was not a mistake. The president was able to lay out a prebuttle, if you will, for the republicans to descent on milwaukee and make their cases. Neil . Neil thanks, mike tobin. One of the republicans that will be on the stage is vivek ramaswamy. Hes didnt enough to join us. Vivek, good to have you back. Good to see you. Neil let me ask you a little bit about these georgia indictments against the former president. You call them political persecutions. Explain. Look, neil, i cant think we look at these indictments without the context of three other separate indictments. Several of which came in the last four months alone. Four different indictments in the middle of an election. It sets an awful precedent in our country for the ruling party, the power in party to use the police force to indict political opponents in the middle of an election. I say this as somebody im polling at second in this race, third overall. It would be a lot easier for me if donald trump were eliminated from competition. But that is not how i want to win. The way we win elections in this country is we convince the voters of this country of our vision and what we stand for. Thats why ive said i would pardon for the federal crimes donald trump to help move this nation forward. I am focused for example on your economic message. Thats what we need to be talking more about. Less about the politicized indictments that have distracted us from the fundamental issue. Thats the fault of the biden doj and the democrat prosecutors across the country instead of explaining why bidenomics is a farce, a failure with more job openings than people looking for work. Price increases that are indeed permanent when wages have not gone up over the same period. That is how were going to win this election in a landslide. Thats what i want us talking about. I say yes, these prosecutions are wrong. Neil i can understand that. Theres 91 criminal charges in all, vivek, as youre aware over 4 criminal cases. They cant all be politicized, can they . Something that the former president must have done in any one of these that struck you as wrong if not illegal. I think just because the government has brought a case, if were going to be a culture that says there must be something wrong if the government has charged 91 counts, thats a people of sheep. That breeds a government of wolves. Thats the reality. Neil you dont think theres anything in this case that shows or even strongly hints of the former president trying to reverse that georgia contest . Neil, you know, ive had this conversation before. Theres a difference between a bad judgment and an illegal act. I view this indictment in the context of as you put it, three other independent indictments. The first beginning in new york for a novel election and Campaign Contribution theory to one that has a novel theory interpreting the president ial records act to a novel theory of Attorney Client relationships. When you have a series of novel theories used to inindictment a prior president and a sitting candidate, i dont think its good for the country. Im this to lead our nation forward, not to be a political commentator or legal analyst on a series of legal cases. What i will say as a candidate in this race is that i do not think its good for our country to set this precedent. Neil i understand that. But if there is if there is wrong doing, vivek i understand. When you have the republican governor of georgia who has said this report is irrefutable and that this was an attempt at voter fraud that was scorching and you have others that have taken similar views including Secretary State that is republican, that said that donald trump went too far, wouldnt you put your trust or at least your instincts in those guys, republicans that said that this has been wellexamined, aggressively examined and there was nothing to it. Neil, im running to be our next president. I ask what is in the interest of this nation. Do i believe that these prosecutors or these elected officials or these federal prosecutors are advancing the interests of this nation when they bring this unprecedented indictment, not one time baseball four times over . No, our country is worse off because of this politicization. Would i have made different decisions than donald trump . Absolutely i would. Have ill remind you, im running for u. S. President in the same race that he is. I think its so important, this conversation that you and i are having is evidence enough why this is a bad idea. Were not talking about how to improve a economy or how to revive our National Identity neil i understand what youre saying but this is a big deal. Of course it is. Thats why im neil let me ask you, when you talk about wanting to pardon donald trump for this, why . What would be good about that if you became president of the United States to pardon him . I think the right answer for this country is to move forward. Not to get in to a weaponized tug of war between two Political Parties that then make a habit of using politicized police force against their political opponents. Thats the stuff of banana republics. We should be able to disagree fiercely with one another, but still sort out those disagreements through our civic process. Culminating at the ballot box while every vote counts equally. Thats how we do things in the United States. Not by eliminating our opponents using back door mechanisms. So my reason, my chief reason for pardoning donald trump at least in the federal offenses, which will be what is in my power, that includes the New York State offenses because they include the charge of an underlying offense as well, it will move this nation forward. I dont want to lead to us a national divorce. Were skating on thin ice. Thats a fact. I want to lead to us a national revival. That will take fortitude. Thats why im saying even now, when it would be in myself interest last a candidate to see donald trump eliminated by some counts that would put me at number 1 in the republican primary polls, thats not how i want to see it done, thats why ive been so particular about being vocal on this. Neil you also spoke about the idea of seeking out donald trump as someone youd use as an adviser. What did you mean by that . I was asked about the Cabinet Members i would choose. Would i choose rivals of mine in the republican Primary Field . The answer is i think several of them could be good Cabinet Members. I brought up donald trump because i dont think he would serve in my cabinet but the role id wanted to see him play, be an adviser on understanding where he might have fallen short if he would do it again. Shutting down the administrative state. Thats top of my agenda, shut down the administrative bureaucracy, the deep state, reduce the federal employee head count by 75 . Ive read the law, neil. Civil services protections dont apply to mass layoffs. And mass layoffs are absolutely what i am bringing to the d. C. Bureaucracy. I would like to not have to learn those lessons all over again but to build on where. Trump left off with the America First agenda. Im in this race to take that America First agenda to the next level and yes, in a way that unites this country. I will take everybodys help including trumps help in making me successful in that role. Neil well follow it closely, vivek. Good seeing you. Thanks very much. Vivek ramaswamy, the candidate for president. He will make the debate stage. We have more coming up including latest on the catastrophic wild fires in maui. What were learning that has some folks learning the bodies that were still not recovering. Yeah, neil. Homes and business are insin rated here on the island of maui. Meanwhile, search continues for hundreds of missing. Nearly 100 people are dead. Fema is on the ground actively searching for human remains. A lot of people asking how did all of this happen. Well have more after this break. Fisher Investments its easy to think that all Money Managers are pretty much the same, but at Fisher Investments were clearly different. other Money Manager different how . You sell High Commission investment products, right . Fisher Investments nope. Fisher avoids them. other Money Manager well, you must earn commissions on trades. 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Shes a lot more active. And shes able to join us on our adventures. Get started at betterforthem. Com neil robert ray has had to cover his share of weather tragedies. This would be in his top list for most tragic and most unresolved. Robert joins us with the latest on what went down with maui and the 99 victims that we know of at this early time. Whats the latest . Yeah, neil, good afternoon to you from the island of maui. One of three fires that were ignited last week. You can see the remnants, the charred home its and businesses up here. A lot of questions right now. The first of all, how did this all begin and secondly, when will we have a true count on loss of life. Right now were at 99 poor souls that have died. To give you a graphic illustration of how hard it is to identify the people that have passed, only two people of the 99 could be identified with fingerprints. That is how terrible this situation is on the coast and the Historic Town on west maui right now. Fema is still searching a fiveminute gap of the area looking for human remains. Officials think this number of the dead will likely go up in the coming days. Were talking to survivors, how many of them barely got out. Some with children and relatives. I talked to one woman about her familys escape from the fire last week. We had a Police Officer come down to our neighborhood and tell us we were evacuating. We contuldnt leave here so we went down the loop. Its hard to digest and accepted. Theres so many people that have lost more than we did. Everything weve lost is just attorney. My family made it out safe and sounds. Everyone is accounted for. Thats the most important thing. Im happy to have what i do have. And what perspective from that woman and her family and so many others as people are out of homes, out of businesses living in shelters. Some working to move in to hotels that fema is trying to block off rooms. Meanwhile, again, i cant state this enough. The search for Human Remaining and the missing which are in the hundreds still continues here. You know, the look at how these people passed in the middle of the night as flames took over the region down there and even up here. Some people caught in the smoke couldnt breathe, couldnt see, couldnt get out. They were incinerated unfortunately while this fire raged. What you see behind me, just one example of a home here where 20 plus structures have been destroyed. You can smell the smoke as this is only 65 contained up here. From time to time youll have some of this charred earth start to come up with smoke and some fire and trucks have to come up here and try to put it out. This is just a continuing disaster here. The questions that loom are how did it all begin. When can all of this come to a result as far as the dead and when can people get back in to these places, get insurance going and get this incredible island back to where it was. It will take a long time. Thats for sure. Neil i would imagine. Thanks, robert. Unrecognizable to your points. I want to go to kim. She lost two homes in the wild fires. Thats a before of one of them. Thats after. The same exact home. He still is helping out others that he needs. The High Tech Support president and helping out others in their situation. Ken, how you holding up . Im doing great considering. Yeah. Im good. Neil youre amazing. Given what youve experienced not just with one but two homes, you think youd be wallowing in your own justified selfpity but youre not. The enormity of this is hitting most of us in the continental United States and we cant believe it. Did you have any inkling that this would get so out of control . No, i mean, that morning my son called me from i should say texted me from school. Hes an eighth grade teacher. He said the power went out. Theres a little fire. He texted back later that the fire was under control. It was out. So the wind was strong. Some debris landed close to us. We knew the winds were strong but there was no fire at all. So i took my wife to the airport and went to work. Later on that afternoon, i got a call from my son said hey, theres smoke. Im having a tough time breathing. So i called my neighbor. He said, well, its not that bad. You know, its a ways away. So i called my son and said hey, gary says its not that bad. So id stay. Well, you know, he said i got to go. Its really bad. He asked him to go to our house, get our dogs. He did. That lessons cost him his life. He got caught in a traffic jam. Its sad. You know a lot of people in those traffic jams didnt make it out. They couldnt outrun the fire. He said it was black smoke. He was following taillights in front of him. He said it was he thought it was over. Getting back the maui, were a resilient people, an island. You know, the fire was tuesday, wednesday morning, our guys at hitech sent food and blankets the first day. 20 truckloads brought to our store. You know, they continue to do that here. We have clothing vendors, surf wear vendors that we deal with that have been sending footwear and clothing. Weve had constant people coming that lost everything. So we were able to help them. But yeah, thats where were at now, neil. Neil you know, youre an amazing guy, ken. You and all of your neighbors and friends. Its a long way from being over. But thank you for sharing that with us. Providing an example that even though tragedy may hit you, theres still a way you can reach out to help others. Stay with us. Well have more after this. Fasenra is an addon treatment for asthma driven by eosinophils. Its designed to target and remove them and helps prevent asthma attacks. Fasenra is not for sudden Breathing Problems or other eosinophilic conditions. Allergic reactions may occur. Dont stop your Asthma Treatments without talking with your doctor. Tell your doctor if your asthma worsens. Headache and sore throat may occur. 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Neil, the day before title 42 ended back in may, Alejandro Mayorkas had a Press Conference at the white house where he said anybody caught crossing the border illegally after title 42 ended would have more serious consequences. Heres what he said. I want to be very clear, our borders are not open. People that cross our border unlawfully and without a legal basis to remain will be prompt lead to us a national processed and removed. So you heard it there. He said they will be promptly removed. Thats not the reality of what were seeing on the ground in the Rio Grande Valley where we witness mass releases of migrants. We shot this video here in front of Catholic Charities in the mcallen area. A couple of hours, we saw bus load after bus load of migrants being dropped off. Once they get to this clarity, theyll be assisted with travel and going all over the country and theyll have Immigration Court dates several years down the road. Now, Border Patrol agents tell us these migrants once they cross the border illegally, the family groups, they look for Border Patrol and turn themselves in because they have little or no fear of deportation and three not hoping to be released into the u. S. Theyre expecting to be released into the u. S. Take a look at this footage. We embedded with texas dps. Were watching at night as a smuggler was guiding illegals through the brush. Texas dps arrested him. It was a Mexican National charged with smuggling. And our Fox Drone Tomorrow in eagle pass. Migrants continue to try to cross illegally despite the fact that texas has fortified it with rows and rows of razor wire, shipping containers, buoys in the water. The migrants will find a way to get in. Back out here live, dhs and ice posted a Video Showing multiple deportation flights. Theyre trying to put the message out there theres some deportation flights happening. The videos showed flights going to central and south america. The deportation flights are just a tiny drop in the bucket compared to whats coming across the border. The sheer amount of people coming across our border day in and day out. Now back to you, neil. Martha thanks, bill, in mission, texas. Lieutenant Chris Olivarez joins us. They have been working in conjunction with the u. S. Border patrol. Lieutenant, it appears to be going well. Many in washington who are saying that that cooperation should end. A number of democrats say it goes too far and its not what your assigned roles should be. What do you think of that . Well, first off, great to have you back and great to be on with you. For any lawmaker or elected official to suggest that u. S. Border patrol end cooperation with the Texas Department of Public Safety is irrational and malicious. That would undermine the long history working with the Border Patrol to secure the border. We need to work with each other. We continue to work with each other. Thats an example with bill melugin reporting on, that is texas dps and u. S. Border patrol working together to apprehend criminals. Were the ones out there. Our state troopers, Border Patrol agents are on the front line seizing drugs, coming across the border. Without our efforts, these drugs would make it to the interior. Neil im curious, chris, when you hear these reports coming out that deportations are going on as planned and picking up steam and we listen to bill melugin who says theyre like a spit in the ocean here, what is true . Help me out with that. Well, the fact is, neil, theres some deportations but the vast majority are being released, whether theyre crossing at the ports of entry or those that are being released at the ports with the cbp 1 f. The fact of the matter is, the federal government is releasing mass illegals. Thats why they continue to come. Theres no consequences. When you dont have consequences and you catch and release, more will continue to come. Thats why we see this Flow Of Mass Legal Migration taking place between both ports of entry and at the ports of entry. Until we stop that. When we stop the activity at the river, we can stop the criminals that are exploiting the fact that we have a lacks border. Neil what you brought to my attention, chris, the fact that these Cartel Members are not really thwarted by camera crews or video of them coming across. Theyre pretty brazen about it. They are, neil. We see heavily armed Cartel Members coming across the river, coming across unimpeded. It goes to show you that they have more powerful, more brazen now than effort. They have expanded their criminal network. They have made millions off of smuggling. Weve seen the Mass Production of fentanyl that killing thousands every day because the mexican drug cartels have taken control of the trade. Its so important to have the partnership with the Border Patrol agents and county officials to stop the criminal activity at the border. The stop the criminals and the drugs coming across that will have a detrimental impact to our state and to the country. Neil incrudable. I dont know how you do it. The images provide the proof that its a long way from resolved there. Thanks, chris, very much. Meantime, if at first you dont succeed, try, try and keep trying again and maybe youll find a judge that is sympathetic to your push. Were talking about the president s plan on Students Loan forgiveness. Edward lawrence with more. The Education Department today started that forgiving of about 804,000 people of their student loan debt. This can happen because the shift in the rules with the way that they count months towards Loan Forgiveness. This is under the income driven repayment plans. The new rules went back and they counted months of partial payments, also months of no payments even if the loan was delinquent. That adds up to 39 billion in Student Loan Relief for some. The judge dismissed a Lawsuit Sawing the plaintiffs could not show harm. A lawyer representing the Cato Institute says they will appeal to the u. S. Supreme court if they have to. Yeah, absolutely unconstitutional and unlawful. Congress said you have to make a certain number of Monthly Payments to receive Loan Forgiveness. The department is counting Knob Payments as payments. Anybody should know that is not a lawful definition of what a Monthly Payment means. So President Biden trying to piecemeal together a student Loan Forgiveness now that the u. S. Supreme court rejected the overall 440 billion plan. I have a ph. D. In english. I had loans. I paid them back. I think anyway we can help young people to get more education, its for the country. Its not just them. I dont believe in the president s forgiveness program. It makes the cost of college is completely out of whack for the return on it. So enable further access to that overinflated system in my opinion is not the right approach. 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We have talked about this extensively. The former president primary at me because of my comments about january 6. I feel like ive got a seat at the table. I have to tell you in the initial reports of these indictments in georgia, you know, i think the American People should be angry about this. Its not illegal to text people or to take legal advice no matter how awful we might think your attorneys are. Im not really sure what she was thinking. Fun racing off a case this week. Really watered down any accusations or allegations they have of the former president. Trying to call the balls and strikes like i see it down the middle. I look forward to seeing what he says next week. As you know, 91 criminal charges that are brought up in these various criminal cases. They cant all be politically motivated, can they . I think most of them are. You look at the alvin bragg case. We know that was politically motivated. When i look at it, most of it is. His conduct on january 6. You stand by that. Absolutely 100 . Do you think you should be do you support him as not many of party with all this, he takes the nomination. Im going to support the nominee. It will be up to Republican Voters and Republican Voters across the country to make that decision who our nominee will be. I did vote to certify the electoral college. I dont believe the election was stolen. I look at the georgia allegations. It is not illegal to question the outcome of an election. That is not a crime. Thats not whats at issue. There are other things that are at issue. Phone calls that are made. You are right. In ones interpretation. Seem to say all i need is another x thousand number of votes ride, by the other thing is some of the Mainstream Media that cover that phone call as it retract their statements in their articles and writings about that phone call. Making a phone call to question the outcome of an election is not illegal. I will share an example in my own election last year when trumps candidate primary me and said there was voter fraud. Went and asked for a recount. That is not illegal. She could believe that the election was stolen. At the end of the day, the election was certified. It was fully legal. She said in that case, congresswoman, all i need is another x thousand votes. How would you have felt about that . I didnt like what she said initially either way. You know, but it is not a legal to question the outcome and im election is when im getting at. It is not illegal to text and ask for phone numbers. I understand what youre saying bro thats fair enough. Some of the people running against the former president even if it is in all his faults, this is getting to be a drag on him and the party. Some have gone so far to say he shouldnt be running. He should be opening it up to others. Clients legal battles and leave the race appeared what you think of that . I am a constitutionalist. The constitution allows for someone under indictment to run for president. He has the ability to do that. It will be again up there up to republican primary voters to decide if this is going to be a drag if they want him to be the nominee or not. It looks like he is running away with the nomination right now. It doesnt look to be too much of a drag when republican primary voters for the general election is also very different. In South Carolina, he has the support of a lot of the hierarchy there. They are all do you see that race also going to him . He is running away with double digits in the South Carolina race. The first in the south typically if you went back South Carolina, you go on to win back the nomination. That is the historical prec precedent. Here, the fight will be in my district. My district is a little bit more politically diverse. There will be more diversity on the ticket in terms of who is the head and who is in a tight spot and that part of South Carolina. Right now, hes running away with it statewide. He is indeed good congressman, thank you very m much. Nancy mace of the great state of South Carolina. Here is the five. Hello, everyone. Im dana perino along with harold ford jr. , and greg gutfeld. Its 5 00 and new york city, and this is the five. And here we go again. The press having yet another field day after former President Trump got indicted for a fourth time per Georgia Grand Jury hitting trump and 18 others with a staggering accusing trump of being the head of a criminal enterprise t