So, how do you feel about this . And deeply distressing images of the latest victim of a dog attack. A little five Year Old Girl circulating today, the same day that we just heard a couple of escaped jail after their dog mauled their baby to death. Apparently theyve suffered enough. Apparently theyve suffered enough. Who is to blame for this enough. Who is to blame for this rise in dog attacks . Is it the dog or the owner . And if its the latter, are we being harsh enough when it comes to punishment . Enough when it comes to punishment . And in todays episode the world has gone episode of the world has gone mad , nhs staff could find mad, nhs staff could find themselves potentially prosecuted if they use the wrong pronouns of a patient. Please stop the bus. I want to get off, but before i do ill be discussing those topics with Peter Hitchens and alex dean after the news with Polly Middleton first. Michelle thank you. Good evening. The top story on gb news tonight, police in Northern Ireland say theyre confident that leaked data of officers and staff is in the hands of dissident republicans. Earlier, sinn fein confirmed that a redacted version of the police data that had been posted on a wall facing its offices was described as sinister last week , the details of 10,000 Police Officers and staff were published online by mistake. Published online by mistake. Chief constable simon byrne said police are now operating under the assumption that the data will be used to generate fear and uncertainty. And uncertainty. We are now confident that the Workforce Data set is in the hands of dissident republicans and is therefore a planning assumption that they will use this list to generate fear and uncertainty as well as intimidating or targeting officers and staff. I wont go officers and staff. I wont go into detail for operational reasons, but we are working round the clock to assess this risk and take measures to mitigate it. Mitigate it. Well, in other news today, bidders for the high street retailer will have been given until wednesday to put forward offers to buy the firm. The general goods chain fell into Administration Last week, putting the future of its 400 stores and around 12,000 jobs at risk. Its understood administrators from pwc have set the deadline to try to secure a dealin the deadline to try to secure a deal in a bid to try to prevent redundancies. Shoppers in redundancies. Shoppers in nottingham said theyre disappointed. Disappointed. Very sad because wilko has been around forever here. Its the first place that you think of going to when you want a bargain on a bit of a shock really. Another shop to go when its actually one that you can go where little bits like if b m havent got it. Wilko cruiser nine times out of ten got it. Its unfortunate that you know a shop like this, which actually serves the community really well , the league is being taken out from underneath it. I was very, very shocked because its in the right place for people shop , shop and it for people to shop, shop and it has very good stuff. The staff are very friendly and i think theyve got a good range of stuff that they sell and im just very sad that its closing in london, two men have been stabbed in what police are treating as a homophobic attack outside a nightclub in the south west of the city. They were targeted while standing outside the venue on clapham high street last night. Both were treated in hospital and then later discharged. And and then later discharged. And police are still searching for the suspect. Now a mother and the suspect. Now a mother and a father have been spared jail over the death of their three month old daughter in lincolnshire kyra. King was attacked by the familys dog , a attacked by the familys dog, a siberian husky, in march last yeah siberian husky, in march last year. The animal, one of 19 kept by the couple, jumped out of their vehicle and left the baby with head and neck injuries. Her parents, vince king and karen alcock, performed cpr on their daughter in an attempt to revive her. The judge described the case as tragic as he handed them suspended sentences. For now , suspended sentences. For now, the government is trying to clarify when officials were made aware of the legionella concerns on board the bibby stockholm accommodation barge. Thats after Dorset Council said home Office Contractors were told traces of the bacteria were detected on day one as the Asylum Seekers boarded. All 39 Asylum Seekers boarded. All 39 migrants have been removed from the vessel. Downing street says it expects them to return as soon as possible. The government soon as possible. The government set to announce new plans to ensure cancer is detected in people much earlier performance targets will be scrapped and replaced with a new, faster diagnosis standard, which will see patients whove been urgently referred receiving a diagnosis within 28 days. Patients with cancer will then start treatment within nine weeks from the date of the referral. The nhs believes the proposals will help save more lives, but Cancer Research uk says current missed targets represent years of underinvestment by the government and that comes as Junior Doctors in england continue their four day strike. Its estimated a million procedures and appointments will be cancelled and rearranged due to the strike action. The walkout started on friday and ends at 7 00 tomorrow morning. Its the fifth round of strikes by bma members since march in their dispute over pay. And as their dispute over pay. And as youve been hearing , network youve been hearing, network rail has released a video of dangerous behaviour at Railway Level crossings. If youre watching on tv, take a look at this cctv compilation. On this cctv compilation. On showing a person doing press ups on the railway dog walkers, sitting their pets on the tracks to pose for photographs and children putting stones on the line. Nearly 50 cases of misuse have been reported by train drivers. All were caught on camera in worcestershire and the west midlands. So far this year. Network rail says its trying to raise awareness and discuss people from risking their lives on the railway. Youre with gb on the railway. Youre with gb news across the uk on your tv , news across the uk on your tv, in your car, on your Digital Radio and on your smart speaker. Now, by saying play gb news this is britains news. Channel thanks for that, polly, our Michelle Dewberry and im with you till 7 00. I was my eyebrows were raised at that last story in the news headunes at that last story in the News Headlines there. When it comes to people doing stupid things on train lines, the telephone , did train lines, the telephone, did you notice how many times the smartphone played a part in some of those antics . If you ask me, of those antics . If you ask me, those smart phones have so those smart phones have made so many anything smart many people anything but smart at anyway. Are smart, im at anyway. People are smart, im pleased to say. Joining me tonight , the columnist for the tonight, the columnist for the mail on sunday, Peter Hitchens, is me and the pr is alongside me and the Pr Consultant alex steen. Do you see i did there . I did. See what i did there . I did. I did not sure i deserved it, but i liked it. Very smart. You know the drill, dont you, this the drill, dont you, on this programme . Its not just about us very much about us three. Its very much about you home as well. Whats you guys at home as well. Whats on mind tonight . Ive got on your mind tonight . Ive got a lot coming your way. Whether on your mind tonight . Ive got a lot the ing your way. Whether on your mind tonight . Ive got a lot the nhs our way. Whether on your mind tonight . Ive got a lot the nhs and nay. Whether on your mind tonight . Ive got a lot the nhs and nay. Pronoun its the nhs and the pronoun usage, laughable if you usage, theyre laughable if you ask but very serious ask me, but very serious nonetheless, because people can get a bit of trouble get into a little bit of trouble if if they happen to get if they if they happen to get those pronouns also those pronouns wrong. Also i want to about the want to talk to you about the five plan when it comes to five year plan when it comes to migrant accommodation. Did you realise to be half realise it was going to be half a potentially that were a decade potentially that were planning this a new planning for . So is this a new normal . Do think to normal . What do you think to that . Is, ive got all of that . If it is, ive got all of that . If it is, ive got all of that coming your way, plus dog attacks lot so shall attacks and a lot more. So shall we stuck in the usual way as we get stuck in the usual way as gbviews gbnews. Com how you gbviews gbnews. Com is how you get a of me on the email or get a hold of me on the email or tweet me at gb news. Now 22,500 soldiers have apparently failed their fitness tests. Army chiefs have said that this is a failure of leadership over the past three years. Now the reason this caught my eye is because the National Risk register has also recently been released as well. It says that theres 89 key threats to the uks security and safety , and its across a whole safety, and its across a whole spectrum of different things, whether its Cyber Attacks or whatever. But it got me thinking. Or alex d tn if threats do present themselves, which of course they will, that is an unfortunate part of life. Do you think that the uk is fit, ready and able to defend ourselves . I think were a lot more fit and able than some would think. And i think just like we surprised the world in some ways when the argentines seeking to catch us at what they perceived as a very weak and decayed point in our National Cycle , tried to in our National Cycle, tried to seize the falklands on my mind because falklands day was yesterday. And britain certainly shocked the argentines with their ability to defend them. So their ability to defend them. So the that arises in my the question that arises in my mind i dont if this is mind is i dont know if this is the 90th risk on risk the 90th risk on the risk register you were just talking about. Do again . About. Could we do that again . And to that end, i actually dont regard the news youve and to that end, i actually dont highlightingews youve and to that end, i actually dont highlightingew these le been highlighting of these soldiers their fitness soldiers failing their fitness tests. I dont that as tests. I dont regard that as a bad i regard it as a good bad thing. I regard it as a good thing we still have thing that we still have the standards theyre to standards and theyre willing to talk about the fact people have failed them because if youve got this got Something Like this happening, can hold happening, at least you can hold people standards and seek to people to standards and seek to get most believe get them fit again. Most believe me, of the time in the me, most of the time in the pubuc me, most of the time in the public sector, you find public sector, if you find people failing standards, people are failing standards, they the standards, they change the standards, not they change the standards, not the god our the people here. God bless our army. Were going to army. They say were going to get fit. Army. They say were going to geti fit. Army. They say were going to geti respect your ability to see i respect your ability to see the in that. I can the positives in that. I can tell you that. Peter, do you share the optimism . No, its several points. The falklands , we very, very nearly falklands, we very, very nearly lost and it was only because the conservative government at the time had failed to sell off and get rid of several important ships that the navy were able to mount the rescue operation. The task force which took the falklands back. It was a very close run thing. And we very nearly lost it. And its an illustration of the best known fact. All military planners, all wars come out of the blue as surprise or in a shape you werent expecting. And to deal with that, you have to have of properly trained, competent , properly trained, competent, reasonably sized armed forces with the very wide range of abilities. I dont think we have that. I think ever since the end of the cold war, governments of both parties have used the opportunity to back on opportunity to cut back on military , naval and air force military, naval and air force spending to the point where we now simply dont have adequate defences. Certainly in military terms, the that 22,500 figure of those who didnt pass the fitness test, thats more than a quarter of the army that we have now. Our army quarter of the army that we have now. Our army is so quarter of the army that we have now. Our army is so tiny, its now. Our army is so tiny, its smaller than the one which hitler allowed. Vichy france to maintain after they surrendered in 1940. Its that small. The navy, which i feel very strongly about because my father was in it, is a again, a pitiful shadow of its former self. When i was a defence reporter in the 1980s, it was always stated that the navys Surface Fleet of destroyers and frigates would never fall below about 50. And now its way below that and a quite a large number of those. I think are probably tied up alongside not really able to move and there are major problems with retention in all the Armed Services of the crucial ncos and experienced officers who keep armed forces together. And i officers who keep armed forces together. And i think were were neglecting it to the point where it is becoming a serious crisis and it needs to be addressed. But it costs a lot of money to maintain to date money to maintain up to date armed forces. And we have cut that the 60s, 70s and 80s. It that in the 60s, 70s and 80s. It was still the case, i think that we spent twice as much on defence as did on education. Defence as we did on education. Now other way round. Now its the other way round. But schools, but our our schools, particularly it doesnt particularly good. It doesnt seem that no disagreement seem to me that no disagreement from and no from me on headcount and no disagreement on spending. I think in the current environment its plain there are so threats facing so many threats facing young britain west that britain and the wider west that we should be upping spending we should be upping our spending on defence. But one of the things that does reassure me somewhat is it in wear, which area would you increase your spending on . What the on the ground, what the boots on the ground, the military aircraft . Where would that . Would you spend that . , thank goodness these i mean, thank goodness these things arent entirely up to me, but i certainly think the military needs more resource. And obvious to me is and two obvious things to me is upping headcount in soldiers upping the headcount in soldiers who at pointy end. Who operate at the pointy end. So i would have i would have more in our military. Though . E though . Why, though . Because the pushback that be, well, pushback to that would be, well, why all these boots why do you need all these boots on the ground when youre a member of nato . Because we deploy all time and deploy our army all the time and its of the properly its one of the few properly trained ones. Its one of the few properly trai soi ones. Its one of the few properly trai so thats ones. Its one of the few properly trai so thats part. Its one of the few properly trai so thats part one. Its one of the few properly traiso thats part one. But part so thats part one. But part two is that i would spend a great deal more on what the ukraine conflict has demonstrated so useful, demonstrated to be so useful, which technology, which is drone technology, unmanned vehicles and so Unmanned Aerial Vehicles and so forth, because ability to forth, because the ability to deliver quickly deliver ordnance very quickly without risk to a single without risk to even a Single Person on your side seems in the modern media age to be highly attractive to the person launching an offensive , but also launching an offensive, but also highly on the other highly effective on the other side. Its clear that russia fears few things in the course of conflict with ukraine. Of their conflict with ukraine. They fear. Dont they dont fear. They dont fear their death but they their own death count. But they do single raids by drones. Do fear single raids by drones. And that has really put it up them in a way that other things have. Do they fear that . I wouldnt know. Im not sure theyre particularly i dont think russia worries very much about British Armed forces. I have say its not weve had have to say its not weve had to scramble to raaf jets, is it today or is that news today . We always talk about this melodramatic able melodramatic scrap able intercept. What happens is some some russian planes fly, some way past our airspace and we send up some aircraft to go and fly alongside them. It isnt actually the big drama that its made out to be. I believe that aside, you mentioned nato, one of the interesting things about the because was the falklands is because it was out nato area and nato out of nato area and nato members not have any any members did not have any any desire or responsibility to help britain against it. It was quite a struggle to get the united states, which was very divided on the issue, to give us the support which most people expected them to give us at that time. You might well be on your own. Its insurance policy. Own. Its an insurance policy. Most of the time when you spend money on insurance, it goes down the drain until you really need it. It hasnt gone it. Whereupon it hasnt gone down thats what down the drain. Thats what thats what defence spending is about. Certainly the army is about. We certainly the army is absurdly it simply isnt absurdly small. It simply isnt an effective size anymore. An effective size anymore. International experts are beginning to say no longer deserves to be called an army. We need to do something about that. And we spent i think its something in the region of four and a half to 5 billion on the ukrainian war in the past couple of years. Now, some of us would argue that this is rather bizarre concern for britain , bizarre concern for britain, which has no obvious interests in the ukrainian war. But whether it is so or not, if were spending that kind of money, there, we dont have it to spend on maintaining own to spend on maintaining our own defences. Important consequence. Its not just military threats. So when i look at this threats. So when i look at this list as a whole kind of host of things, youve got pandemics. Yeah, youve got potential Cyber Attacks , food supply, contamina attacks, food supply, contamina nafion attacks, food supply, contamina nation wildfires , and thats in nation wildfires, and thats in there. Storm damage, severe space weather, volcanic eruptions , oceans and then eruptions, oceans and then societal as well. Public disorder, industrial action. They are listed as well as threats that could risk life in the uk as we know it. Yeah, and the important thing to remember about that is that whilst we in the modern age, on the one hand, as peter has been rightly setting out underspend on military, we seem to on our military, we also seem to think our military is the answer to if youve to almost everything. If youve got in the migration got a problem in the migration system, in troops. If system, send in the troops. If youve a shortage of youve got a shortage of firefighters, because theyre youve got a shortage of firefighstrike,ecause theyre youve got a shortage of firefighstrike,ecausin heyre youve got a shortage of firefighstrike,ecausin the � re out on strike, send in the troops. Sable. Actually , troops. And sable. So actually, i dont think the i unfashionably dont think the military is the answer to everything. And certainly everything. And i certainly dont military is dont think that the military is the to urban unrest and the answer to urban unrest and to heaven. Heaven forfend that we have to do that. Thats the very to do that. Thats the very third world. Exactly. The army is for exactly. The army is for fighting in the end. And if you send the army onto the streets, it will do what it does. It is not a civil law enforcement. Why not . Because would why not . Because some would say actually when you look say that actually when you look at the streets and the disorder thats on, some would thats going on, some would argue police are more argue that the police are more bothered policing pronouns bothered about policing pronouns and twitter than and hate speech on twitter than they police. They reform the police. You cant you cant michel, you cant you cant bnng michel, you cant you cant bring in because its bring the army in because its been tradition of this been the tradition of this country. The things country. And one of the things which distinguished from which distinguished it from all the empires, this the other great empires, this was power, a was a naval power, not a military power, which is why we never huge domestic never develop the huge domestic land the land army to overawe the population, which you would have found germany, correct. Found in germany, correct. And russia countries of that russia and countries of that kind. Weve never had it. And its been any politician its always been any politician who even dreams of using the military in politics or industrial relations is quite rightly becomes very unpopular because people see it goes beyond what we should be doing. And its a misuse of an army. Its an inappropriate use pay for to defend the inappropriate use state use of state power. But the problem is theres a lot of my viewers would completely disagree. There shouting, well, there was shouting, well, hang then let them. They might. Well, they might well agree with you in out what you with you in setting out what you think problems are our think the problems are with our Current Police and Current Police force. And i would agree a great deal of would agree a great deal with of what said. But the answer to what you said. But the answer to thatis what you said. But the answer to that is to the police, not that is to fix the police, not to in the army. To send in the army. But is that yeah, but then is that doable . Yes, it is doable. Yes, it is doable. Its completely doable. And it would take it would take a sensible probably sensible government, probably 4 or 5 years to do it. What you do and ive urging it for some and ive been urging it for some time up new police time is you set up new Police Forces every location, forces in every location, proper, local Police Forces of the kind they in the united the kind they have in the united states. We to have states. And as we used to have here, the vast amalgamated here, not the vast amalgamated blobs you blobs which we have now, you train them what police are train them in what police are supposed to do, which is which is patrols to is preventive foot patrols to raise of contentment raise the levels of contentment with and safety among the population to and deter crime. And when theyre ready, you disband the existing failed Police Forces and send them home. It wouldnt take long. It would be effective. It would work. And anybody who had any serious interest in the welfare of country would be of this country would be planning i see Solutions Planning it. Now i see solutions short of going that far that may well work. W a gm film weve seen a couple of policemen in and out of policemen come in and out of fashion, dont they . They tend to be talked about as the coppers copper and then something wrong. But the something goes wrong. But the current chief constables something goes wrong. But the cu fashion, chief constables something goes wrong. But the cu fashion, chief c thingses in fashion, have done things like insisting that every burglary a in person burglary has a in person response, not just issued a crime number. Stop policing speech on twitter and get out into your communities more. These things work. But honestly, this is a complete misconception of what . Of what the policing is about. Policing is not about every arrest a failure. The arrest is a failure. The investigation of a crime is a failure. What you cannot burgle someone whos been burgled. You someone whos been burgled. You cannot someone whos been cannot stab someone whos been stabbed. You earn mug stabbed. You cannot earn mug someone been mugged. And someone whos been mugged. And the there prevent the police are there to prevent these happening in these things from happening in these things from happening in the to do that, the first place. To do that, they they should have they have they should also have to better once those to be visibly better once those visibly on the streets. Visibly present on the streets. If they then the amount of if they were, then the amount of investigation do investigation they had to do would hugely diminished. Would be hugely diminished. Not once they should still not once theyve happened. Sure, they should still not once theyits happened. Sure, they should still not once theyits aappened. Sure, they should still not once theyits a secondary sure, they should still not once theyits a secondary. Sure, but its a secondary. Its a very secondary solving solving crime is secondary for the police. Totally secondary all. Totally secondary at all. Totally secondary at all. Key the key purpose of the key the key purpose of the the prevention of crime. Thats what robert peel said. One main one of the main one of the main one of the main deterrents for criminals is the belief theyll get caught. Belief that theyll get caught. One. Well, if its one. Well, if its one. But if you dont, if youre not present on the streets, then then get caught. Then they wont get caught. One my viewers, philip, one of my viewers, piers, question and i wish piers, is a question and i wish that seen earlier on in that id seen it earlier on in the conversation because i would that id seen it earlier on in the c� passedtion because i would that id seen it earlier on in the c� passed it� n because i would that id seen it earlier on in the c� passed it to ecause i would that id seen it earlier on in the c� passed it to the use i would that id seen it earlier on in the c� passed it to the panelrvould that id seen it earlier on in the c� passed it to the panel forld have passed it to the panel for discussion. But he says the way to of societal ills and to fix most of societal ills and perhaps prevent the crimes perhaps to prevent the crimes that weve been discussing that weve just been discussing about National Service, he that weve just been discussing abouyou National Service, he that weve just been discussing abouyou could nal service, he that weve just been discussing abouyou could bolsterice, he that weve just been discussing abouyou could bolster the he that weve just been discussing abouyou could bolster the armed says you could bolster the armed forces, youd stop a lot of crime on the streets and youd help out you did help the police out if you did that. Just talking that. Weve just been talking about when the about where and when the military used. Theres military should be used. Theres some people that would say that actually, why arent the military when military being used when it comes the border comes to policing the border across English Channel, comes to policing the border across leads nglish channel, comes to policing the border across leads ngli nicely nnel, comes to policing the border across leads ngli nicely nnemy next which leads me nicely to my next topic. Five years. Now, that is topic. Five years. Now, that is what a leaked memo says, that were planning when it comes to housing migrants. So this isnt a short term issue, it would seem, is it the new normal . And if so, what do you think radio. Hello there. Im Michelle Dewberry with you till 7 00 alongside me. The columnist for the mail on sunday, Peter Hitchens, and the Pr Consultant alex deane. Mike on twitter says alex deane. Mike on twitter says finally in capital letters , finally in capital letters, Peter Hitchens has just outlined how the police can be reformed. He has exactly the right idea to completely reform the police. Completely reform the police. Someone else on twitter is saying , why can we not use the saying, why can we not use the army in the meantime , while we army in the meantime, while we do, peters idea of basically recruiting a whole new set of policing , someone else on policing, someone else on twitter says the army on the streets of britain. Goodness gracious me. Absolutely not. Someone else points out the trouble with trying to retain people in the armed forces. When you see the way that we treat many of our veterans, i you know, i dont really blame people actually for second thinking about whether or not they would want to join the armed forces in the first place. We were talking about where the army potentially be of army could potentially be of use. Suggesting that maybe use. I was suggesting that maybe they involved they could help get involved with the border the with policing the border of the channel because weve had about 16, 17,000 miles. Agents cross the channel, havent we . Over a hundred thousand, by the way, was the milestone that was passed since, i think 2018. Of course, youve seen the sad loss of life at the weekend. Peter, of life at the weekend. Peter, there was a leaked memo about there was a leaked memo about the potential placement of these people which referenced timespans as long as five years, in some cases , which gives the in some cases, which gives the impression that this is not going away any time soon. The government clearly dont think it is. So have we just got to get used to this . Well, it would be wise for them to plan, wouldnt it . Because they have so failed because they have so far failed so completely to get any of so completely to get any sort of grip real problem is grip on it. The real problem is that channel used be that the channel used to be partly a physical and partly a psychological people psychological barrier. People didnt cross didnt think you could cross it and they discovered that and then they discovered that they turned out to they could and it turned out to be easy, be extraordinarily easy, provided was was provided the weather was was good. And so there is now this enormous difficulty. My view on this has been for a long time. If you want to stop it, its not by any means the only migration problem in country has problem in this country has legal migration into this country on a scale country is huge and on a scale which i think is 606,000 net migration is not being carefully thought about by those who who have to provide the resources and the places to live and the and the places to live and the and the places to live and the and the schools and the hospitals for the vastly increased population where are rapidly getting but leave that aside for a moment. The only real solution to the problem , as real solution to the problem, as indeedit real solution to the problem, as indeed it would to be the similar problem of crossing the mediterranean , is to stop people mediterranean, is to stop people from getting into the boats in the first place. And for this we have to rely on france. And i think we have not tried sufficiently or negotiated hard enough the french about the enough with the french about the job which they have to do, in my view, of preventing these people from getting into the boats in the first place. No one can stop it entirely. But the one actual force which can seriously restrain it is the french state. And if we can get the french state on our side and it would be very, very costly to do so. And i dont doubt that then we can make an impact on it. But otherwise, i dont think its going to change. I definitely dont think no, i definitely dont think its to change. And my its going to change. And my view certainly agree view is certainly would agree with alex, even at the with that. But alex, even at the weekend saw the very sad, weekend you saw the very sad, you situation where people you know, situation where people were the channel drowning were in the channel drowning very actually the very close actually to the french shore. But yet even despite that, those people were then brought over into dover. So it seems that the will of the french is lacking, to put it mildly. Yeah. There are two points that ive seen disputed in the most recent incidents. The first is how close they were to the french shore, but ive never seen any suggestion they were close to the uk. They were clearly much to france clearly much closer to france than were to here. The than they were to here. And the second broader second is whether the broader french effectively to french policy is effectively to escort boats once in the escort boats once theyre in the to the uk rather than to water the uk rather than seeking them back. Seeking to turn them back. Supposedly the have this supposedly the french have this policy the boats policy that once the boats underway, would it would be underway, it would it would be too danger to try and too much of a danger to try and turn around. And turn the boat around. And therefore, thing to therefore, the safest thing to do effectively as do is effectively act as a ferrying service or at least a chaperoning service to the to these and theres these shores. And theres disputes about both of those things. Has basically things. But what has basically convinced about this point convinced me about this point that peter has made that the biggest onus is on french biggest onus is on the french and what they do is the arguments to be made by tim loughton mp, because hes made the this week in in the the point this week in in the debates about this that when the French Police seek to stop those coming to the United Kingdom unlawfully, they only act in the time between getting on a boat and that boat, setting off. And if and if they stopped them , if and if they stopped them, they just release them back into released back into the wild. They just let them back to roam in bushes and the dunes in the bushes and the dunes until they can try again. Now, until they can try again. Now, someone this country someone found in this country without a lawful or right without a lawful reason or right to be here will some way or to be here will in some way or other. We debate how other. And we can debate how sympathetically they get sympathetically and how they get treated and where they get where they stay forth. But they stay and so forth. But someone that situation in the someone in that situation in the United Kingdom dealt with in United Kingdom is dealt with in one the one way or another by the authorities system authorities in the french system is effectively catch and release. The french system is unless are actually in the unless they are actually in the water, which youre water, at which point youre going them back to. Going to bring them back to. Theyre into theyre about to set out into the water, but they havent actually your knees. Actually gone past your knees. Then boat and then you can stop their boat and bnng then you can stop their boat and bring back. But then they bring them back. But then they let them go. So the responsible is almost entirely on the french because would do that at because we would not do that at all this country. All in this country. Would deal with i would seek to deal with them. Think youre being them. I think youre being overly own overly fair to our own authorities. It seems to me that when a lot when they arrive lot of people, when they arrive here, they may encounter the authorities, but they are pretty much their devices authorities, but they are pretty m|many their devices authorities, but they are pretty m|many cases. Eir devices authorities, but they are pretty m|many cases. And devices authorities, but they are pretty m|many cases. And all devices authorities, but they are pretty m|many cases. And all the ces in many cases. And all the figures have for people figures that we have for people coming ashore are those who coming ashore are of those who have the have actually encountered the authorities. We dont know, at least is to try. Least our policy is to try. Seems the official it seems that the official french policy is once apprehended release apprehended to simply release again, praising again, im not im not praising the behaviour of the forces of law of either nation this law of either nation in this particularly, think particularly, but i dont think that much we have much that we have much we have much on french this myself. On the french in this myself. The once people have arrived in this in this country , they in this in this country, they tend stay. Tend to stay. Ask you very quickly, let me ask you very quickly, the echr this would go around in this circle all the time. Whenever theres issue, whenever theres an issue, whenever crossing whenever theres a big crossing there, concept of there, this this concept of leaving the echr always comes up. Would you that or not . Dont think well make any i dont think well make any difference. That the difference. I think that the problem that if the problem is that if the particularly the eu countries, which includes, of course, france , would take view that france, would take the view that if we if we pulled out of the echr , they would then pull out echr, they would then pull out of quite important trading of other quite important trading and agreements us. And other agreements with us. They very, very they would punish us very, very heavily for doing they would punish us very, very heaitly for doing they would punish us very, very heait wouldnt for doing they would punish us very, very heait wouldnt be for doing they would punish us very, very heait wouldnt be a for doing they would punish us very, very heait wouldnt be a cost doing they would punish us very, very heait wouldnt be a cost free; so. It wouldnt be a cost free event. And i think thats why governments are afraid of doing it. And whenever, you know , when it. And whenever, you know, when the are in real trouble , the tories are in real trouble, they about getting they Start Talking about getting out echr. Dont out of the echr. But i dont think they would. Its all very well saying, well, the canadians dont echr they have dont have an echr they do have their own home grown charter of rights freedoms, which has rights and freedoms, which has many on canada. But many bad effects on canada. But the fact is we have got the echr. We have not merely signed it, but weve enshrined it under the blair government in our own law, and were stuck with it. And people dont realise just how little action, modern little freedom of action, modern governments have in such in such matters how much we can be matters and how much we can be punished for breaking away from this. So i doubt very much a whether anything will happen or b if it did that, it would work. The problem that we have to face is , as i say, we have to we have is, as i say, we have to we have to control our own immigration by deciding thats what we want to do with all the political consequences, as with matters that were sovereign and that were sovereign over and oven that were sovereign over and over, of the over, the crossing of the channel by migrants, we have to get the french and i say it will cost a great deal and it will need a great deal of tough need a great deal of very tough diplomacy. To get the diplomacy. We have to get the french stop leaving the french to stop them leaving the shores in the first place. Where are you on that echr thing . The notion that somebody can cross nations in order cross many safe nations in order to pick they wish to cherry pick where they wish to cherry pick where they wish to for asylum or refugee to apply for asylum or Refugee Status is currently true under international in my International Law, and in my view, an absolute view, it makes an absolute mockery of International Law and current current current interpretation. Current interpretations current interpretation. Current inter leave ions current interpretation. Current interleave the echr, but what. Id leave the echr, but what about the unintended consequences that other people might highlight . Consequences that other people migseeiighlight . Consequences that other people migseeiighligand about see here and there about potential tampering with trade relations and all the rest of it . About that . It . What about that . Countries are entitled other countries are entitled to to respond as they wish. To seek to respond as they wish. They tantrums if they they can have tantrums if they wish. But you were asking us whether not intellectually whether or not intellectually and right and philosophically the right thing continue thing to do would be to continue to to organisation, to cleave to that organisation, not to what . Tantrums saying here. Tantrums were saying here. There in agreements there are actually in agreements which signed, have there are actually in agreements which to signed, have there are actually in agreements which to remaini, have there are actually in agreements which to remain withinave there are actually in agreements which to remain within the pledged to remain within the echr, the echr , you know better echr, the echr, you know better than most how much i despise the surrender we made in Northern Ireland. But the echr is pretty much embodied in the agreements we have there. People raise that it doesnt. No one has to have a tantrum. All they need to do is say, you said youd do this in return for this. You havent done it. Return for this. You havent doneit. So return for this. You havent done it. So we will now hamper trade other relations with trade and other relations with with you in response to what youve done. We are not the problem with this country ever since the 1970s is that it has given away so much of its sovereignty and people dont realise how little room for manoeuvre. A British Government has in these matters. I would wish it were otherwise, but if you want, if people want to take those those routes, they have to understand that they have hard consequences which they may find hard to deal with and they expect, dont like it. I dont expect, i dont like it. I dont advocate it. Just saying advocate it. Im just saying this what we face. This is what we face. There are prices to bear for being country, being a sovereign country, proper control of proper defence and control of ones of being ones borders is part of being a sovereign country. If there are pnces sovereign country. If there are prices to bear, they are to be borne. There you go. Borne. Well, there you go. Ill tell something and ill tell you something that absolutely the that absolutely does impact the amount crossings amount of Channel Crossings is the that warm feeling the weather that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Hi there. Its Aidan Mcgivern here from the met office. With the gb news forecast rain today , clearing overnight. A few showers following, but many places will be fine during tuesday as low pressure moves into the north sea, taking its weather fronts with it. However, one occluded feature is just providing some additional rainfall to the northeast of england through the night. Some damp weather continuing here. Eventually it becomes light to moderate rain showers across western areas, drier towards the southeast with some clear spells. But wherever you are, its not going to be a cold night. Its 12 to 14 celsius generally , and 12 to 14 celsius generally, and it will be a bright start to tuesday, certainly across southern areas compared with monday. Plenty of sunshine around still. The remnants of the cloud and rain clearing from the cloud and rain clearing from the north east of england, southeast scotland. First thing. But mid morning , thats all but by mid morning, thats all gone. Then the showers in gone. And then the showers in the to transfer the west tend to transfer eastwards through the day. The heaviest downpours will be across the central belt and the southern uplands. But elsewhere, actually, the showers becoming more scattered into the afternoon. A better chance of some sunshine in the south and with light winds feeling much more pleasant then we start off wednesday with a few fog patches in and the west. A lot in the south and the west. A lot of cloud for scotland and northeast england and further showers develop. Most of showers develop. But most of these will be in the these showers will be in the north, especially scotland , north, especially for scotland, dner north, especially for scotland, drier south and this drier towards the south and this drying up trend continues into thursday and the start of friday with rising temperatures that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Well, there you go. Look, if i had a pound for everyone thats emailed in on that first topic, in terms of defending our country and suggested National Service would a very rich service would be a very rich individual. But di has been in touch saying im an ex soldier of many Years Service and i have to say this to anyone whos calling for National Service. It is a terrible idea. You said theres enough of a problem as it stands, getting people who volunteered to even pass their fitness tests and all the rest of it, let alone adding a demotivated, uninterested cohort of young men and women. He says most of the people that call for National Service are either in their 60s, so theyre too young to have even done it, or theyre too old to be included so that it never actually hit their way anyway, he says. Let me give anyway, he says. Let me give your viewers this little adage. He says , one volunteer is worth he says, one volunteer is worth ten pressed men. So in summary, no to National Service. Ill leave you to ponder that. Do you have a dog . Oh, well, there you go. Youve got agreement from peter. Do you have a dog . Is it a dangerous dog . Who decides whats dangerous isnt . Whats dangerous and what isnt . And dog does radio. Hello there. Im michelle hello there. Im Michelle Dewberry till 7 00. Columnist for the mail on sunday, Peter Hitchens alongside me, as is the Pr Consultant alex deane. Ken says perhaps you can ask your guests this question. Michelle this is all back to that conversation weve just been having the having about migrants. The crossings of channel, and do crossings of the channel, and do we need to accept as we just need to accept it as a new norm . Talking about whether or we can get france to or not we can get france to actually and do their actually step up and do their job, try and stop job, which is to try and stop these crossings, ken says. Can you ask your your panel, why cant we, the look cant we, the uk, look at leveraging, restricting and suspending french fishing suspending the french fishing licences as if the french dont play licences as if the french dont play ball and stop theyre play ball and stop what theyre what theyre supposed to be, play ball and stop what theyre what tis yre supposed to be, play ball and stop what theyre what tis the supposed to be, play ball and stop what theyre what tis the crossings . To be, which is the crossings . Well, it might be an approach. I dont know. The general response the french, approach. I dont know. The geyourl response the french, approach. I dont know. The geyou tryzsponse the french, approach. I dont know. The geyou try and1se the french, approach. I dont know. The geyou try and get the french, approach. I dont know. The geyou try and get tough french, approach. I dont know. The geyou try and get tough with h, if you try and get tough with them, is to get tough back. And i dont. And that kind of pressure work. Pressure might might not work. I dont know you. I wouldnt rule anything out in getting this done, would prefer a done, but i would prefer a different negotiation to different form of negotiation to that if i wanted to get that one. If i wanted to get results. The thing results. One of the thing i admire the french for is they for stand up themselves as a country in a way which we ought to. And they also, if you push them around, the chances are theyll push i that theyll push back. I doubt that would work. Turn a blind emu l they also turn a blind eye to suit their interests because suit their own interests because its theyre letting its plain theyre letting people the north its plain theyre letting peoplof the north its plain theyre letting peoplof france the north its plain theyre letting peoplof france on the north its plain theyre letting peoplof france on the the north its plain theyre letting peoplof france on the basis rth coast of france on the basis theyll go somewhere else and be someone elses problem. Yeah, thats well, yeah, thats what i think. Would. Yes, think. I think why would. Yes, okay. As the french take okay. As long as the french take these million why would these million pounds, why would they stop them . These million pounds, why would the fundamental them . These million pounds, why would the fundamental problem here, fundamental problem here, michel, is actually goes back to David Cameron and his stupid war in which actually in libya which which actually opened mediterranean, opened up the mediterranean, which not a huge which previously was not a huge crossing migrants and crossing point for migrants and changed europe forever. Changed europe forever. Yeah, there you go. Its changed europe forever. Forever. Ken not much buy in there for your suggestion. I think it sounds like quite a good one. What be the worst that what could be the worst that could we were indeed could happen if we were indeed to propose that . Dont know. To propose that . I dont know. You now. Lets talk you tell me now. Lets talk dogs, shall we . Because parents of a three month old little girl, she killed basically. Girl, she was killed basically. She in her pram by her, one she was in her pram by her, one of her parents dogs. Theyve got i think its 16 or 19, 18 husky dogs. Anyway long story short, these people now, the owners of this dog have been spared, jailed today. Also in the news, there was a really horrible picture of a little five Year Old Girl, alex. Thats had her cheek kind of ripped off by a dog dog attacks are on the rise in this country. Dog dog attacks are on the rise in this country. What do we do in this country. What do we do about it . Whos responsible . Its almost axiomatic in politics that Dog Legislation has been most of the significant examples of bad legislation passed in a hurry. And it happenedin passed in a hurry. And it happened in the dog days, no pun intended, of the last tory government when there was a long hot summer and a spate of attacks like this and it produced legislation and weve spent a generation wrestling with and seeking to disentangle and i love dogs and i declare that interest, although i dont have one now because i think itd be irresponsible to have one whilst living in london and not able to exercise it enough. These, this, this , this couple these, this, this, this couple had 19 dogs, big dogs, and i see them on the screen now. Its very difficult to imagine exercising them adequately. One exercising them adequately. One never wishes to second guess a judge or a jury because i wasnt there to hear the evidence. And i didnt hear the accounts that were given. And am sure these were given. And i am sure these parents meant no harm to their child. And its a tragic incident. This is just so you know, what im showing on the screen while talking. Sorry while youre talking. Im sorry to this is the van. To cut in, but this is the van. So this family, they had multiple, what saying, 19 multiple, what were saying, 19 husky dogs. So what they used to do, their van. They used do, this is their van. They used to take these dogs out racing basically. What happened basically. And what happened was they the in the they didnt put the dogs in the cages youve just seen at cages that youve just seen at the of van. They jumped the back of the van. They jumped over front seat attacked over the front seat and attacked the girl while she was at the little girl while she was at the little girl while she was at the side. Thats the cages the side. So thats the cages and the sledge thing, and thats the sledge thing, whatever is. Whatever it is. And it seems to me correct. And it seems to me that plainly there was something terribly that plainly there was something terrfacts speak for that plainly there was something terr facts speak for themselves. The facts speak for themselves. It in the death of this it resulted in the death of this poon it resulted in the death of this poor, blameless infant. So whilst dont guess the whilst i dont second guess the judge determination they judge and the determination they made, the fault made, it seems to me the fault here lies with the owners and the rspca. They want to extend the dangers. Dog breeds list peta. They want to have dog licences to be reintroduced like they do in Northern Ireland and they want a National Database of all the dogs, the breeds, their behaviours , etcetera. What do behaviours, etcetera. What do you say . Well, maybe i mean they will have thought about it more than ihave have thought about it more than i have maybe things i have and maybe these things will i think that the will work. But i think that the what is the difficulty here is that we all look and we see a child killed or horribly wounded by and feel so grieved by a dog and we feel so grieved and angry that we think anything must be good. Something must be done. This is something. Lets done. This is something. Lets do it. Im not rejecting any idea particularly that an expert organisation, the rspca, might have, but i think a lot of the problem lies not in the particular tragic cases like the one in the parents who kept all these dogs, which we were just discussing. But the presence in discussing. But the presence in large parts of the country of people who deliberately own dogs, which they choose because of their aggressive nature and the danger with them. And i think this is all part of the absence of power in the hands of authority in our country and the growing power of the lawless. And i think thats the real problem which many people face. You live in an area where there are people like that with dogs like that, youre afraid of it. And that back to something and that goes back to something we discussing earlier. This we were discussing earlier. This country properly country needs to be properly policed and people of that kind country needs to be properly policeto and people of that kind country needs to be properly policeto bei people of that kind country needs to be properly policeto be curbede of that kind country needs to be properly policeto be curbed by that kind country needs to be properly policeto be curbed by thet kind country needs to be properly policeto be curbed by the byind country needs to be properly policeto be curbed by the by the need to be curbed by the by the constant presence of lawful Power Authority the power and authority in the streets, dont have at power and authority in the stre moment. Dont have at power and authority in the stre moment. But dont have at power and authority in the stre moment. But id1t have at power and authority in the stre moment. But id sayiave at power and authority in the stremoment. But id say im at power and authority in the stre moment. But id say im not the moment. But id say im not going to argue with the rspca. They know about this much more than do. But as alex rightly than i do. But as alex rightly said, the 1991 dangerous dogs act has a big problem. Act has has been a big problem. It been a disaster. There is a problem here, maybe too complicated get into, but it complicated to get into, but it seems to me on the one hand, its a very brave minister who looks this set of facts and looks at this set of facts and turns on the breakfast tv couch presented with the death of these children says, these poor children and says, well, we must maintain a sense of proportion and these things dont happen that often. This happened the fact this happened a couple times shouldnt prompt couple of times shouldnt prompt knee what knee jerk legislation. What the audience to say is audience wants them to say is something be done and something will be done and im going and im going going to hang on and im going to it. Then few months or to do it. Then a few months or a year or two later, when the minister has banned certain breeds certain characters, breeds or certain characters, mystics people having their mystics and people having their dogs put down the same, people mystics and people having their dogssay, down the same, people mystics and people having their dogssay, dow is he same, people mystics and people having their dogssay, dow is madness. People will say, this is madness. Yes, well, you know, i will never ever until my never forget that ever until my dying my with dying day is my brush with death. I can tell you i was nearly attacked by a pack of dogs. I will never forget it as long as live. It was in long as i live. It was in vietnam. On my own and vietnam. I was on my own and i was chased by a pack of dogs in detroit. Im telling you, ive never run so fast in life, run so fast in my life, especially given i was 60 at the time. Amazing sight. Time. It was an amazing sight. But we made and i was but they we made it and i was trapped also in a shed by trapped once also in a shed by by a savage alsatian. I had to stay there for several hours until the owner turned and until the owner turned up and rescued no im not rescued me. So i have no im not neutral on this. Its a dewbs co its a dewbs co dogs can be dogs can be dangerous. They can have many, many people. Ill be shouting the screen saying they can also be lovable of family screen saying they can also be loy look. Of family screen saying they can also be loy look. I of family screen saying they can also be loylook. I can of family screen saying they can also be loy look. 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Say, get discovery into your voice remote to activate. On hello there. Im Michelle Dewberry tall. 7 00. Peter hitchens. Alex dean along side. Weve just been talking about dangerous dogs. Susan on twitter says , michelle, youve got a lot says, michelle, youve got a lot of negative stories about dogs, but what about all the Great Stories . What about guide dogs, for example, hospitals for example, hospital hospitals use to sniff out serious use dogs to sniff out serious diseases. Dogs help autistic diseases. Dogs help autistic people , disabled children, and people, disabled children, and they give so much joy and they open up their lives. Therapy dogs , she says, are incredible , dogs, she says, are incredible, barry says when it comes to dangerous dogs , owners, he says, dangerous dogs, owners, he says, are always to blame. Now, lets speak hospital, shall we . Because apparently some hospitals are threatened. Employees with disciplinary action if they have the audacity. Everyone wait for it to use the wrong pronoun. As i have to say, i find this absolutely absurd. And as absolutely absurd. And as a medical professional, you just want to help somebody as best you can and all these layers of ridiculousness. I dont even ridiculousness. I dont even know where theyre coming from. So its completely absurd per se. But just to add to the ipso, thats the first principle. But to the absurdity, see the to add to the absurdity, see the articles weve been looking at, make it very clear its not just he she. Different way round. He or she. Different way round. No coy a here. I mean how no z, z. Coy a here. I mean how are supposed to remember are you supposed to remember the pretended made up identity thats alone thats been adopted, let alone use it . Look, i if a chap, big chap with a beard asked me to call him susan, i very well might because i am polite. But might because i am polite. But he has no right to compel me to believe something opposite to that which i believe, but would you call him . Would you call this bloke . She well, i might choose to, but the state has no right to compel me to, nor does my employer to. Do you agree with that . Do you agree with that . I do, actually. I think its perfectly reasonable to if people strongly, people feel this strongly, its not my to business know not its not my to business know the inside of their souls or minds, if thats what they thats they ask to do, thats what they ask us to do, then its polite to do it. Then its only polite to do it. But to be compelled to do it. So to be either under the threat of law or under the threat of loss of employment seems to me to be something different. And something quite different. And this happening. This all these things happening. What they tell me is the what they tell me is that the revolution has already happened in that the in this country, that the sensible long lost sensible people long ago lost lost and authority. Lost power and authority. And were the were now actually under the control completely control of a completely different regime from the one that we think is running us. But no , i disagree. Compulsion is absurd. Disagree on last i disagree on that last point. Think weve point. I actually think weve gone peak trans. I think if gone past peak trans. I think if you see the efforts of sporting bodies to keep men out of womens sports, their womens sports, where their their dangerous, their competition is dangerous, thats and thats where it began. And things sports, but things like contact sports, but its to things things like contact sports, but its swimming to things things like contact sports, but its swimming andto things things like contact sports, but its swimming and so hings things like contact sports, but its swimming and so forth, like swimming and so forth, which do with contact which is not to do with contact sports, just do blatant sports, just to do with blatant unfairness of a man defining as a and then breaking a woman and then breaking records. Think weve records. I actually think weve gone past extreme point and gone past the extreme point and we come back to restoring we can come back to restoring common sense. And talk about we come back and talk about it five years show it in five years time show because remember is that because what i remember is that an lot of things which the an awful lot of things which the particularly the used to particularly the media used to laugh as political laugh at as Political Correctness gone mad, so irritating ten, 15 years irritating phrase ten, 15 years ago have become normal and ago have now become normal and indeed, the very media which mocked them have adopted mocked them have now adopted them. And i see this as an ineluctable process which carries on and on. So lets see in five years time whether youre right, i mean, id be glad if you were, but im not at all that you will be. All sure that you will be. Was it today that theres and was it today that theres talk about, you know, new talk now about, you know, new buildings, buildings buildings, public buildings and spaces, have spaces, youve got to have single good for the single sex toilets . Good for the home secretary Suella Braverman this another example. Home secretary Suella Braverman thi� suellayther example. Home secretary Suella Braverman thi� Suella Bravermanyle. Home secretary Suella Braverman thi� Suella Braverman said if Suella Braverman said if youre building new building, youre building a new building, it single sex it has to have single sex toilets. Of this unisex toilets. Enough of this unisex position where men position or omniseq, where men can womens spaces. Its can go into womens spaces. Its come something, it . Come to something, hasnt it . Secretary of state when the secretary of state for Home Department to for the Home Department has to legislate about what kind legislate about about what kind of but of lavatories, but has legislated and think legislated what you and i think is way . Is the right way . Well, dont know. Well, i dont know. Well, i dont know. I do. I cant help but notice it mainly seems to be men trying to get into womens spaces. I dont really think theres a great deal of women desperate to get into the mens toilets or the mens changing room. I do feel as a woman, its i do feel like i am the one that has to absorb all this absolute lunacy. So ive got to be referred to as a cis woman in order to accommodate men pretending to be women. Ive now got to go to a gender neutral policewoman is ridiculous. Youre just a woman. Adult youre just a woman. Adult human. Female is a woman. And my human. Female is a woman. And my other view you make of the point that you rightly make about it, mostly being men trying to get into womens spaces. What you will. Say that women will. But i will say that women in one stage or another in Human Society dawn of time Society Since the dawn of time have been as less than. Have been treated as less than. And im not pretending everythings just everythings been fine, but just as we get within glimpsing distance of equality, here comes a get to a new clutch of men who get to say, going to define as a say, im going to define as a woman. Then i can enjoy all the rights, privileges and protections being protections that come with being a pretend youve got a woman and pretend youve got to that ive had the to pretend that ive had the experience as experience of growing up as a woman well. That sounds woman as well. That sounds a great deal like patriarchy great deal like the patriarchy to but its been. To me. Yeah, but its been. Been people are its been people are indulging it. And if i had a pound for every time hear, can pound for every time i hear, can a woman have a penis again . Id be very rich. I never seem to hear opposite way. Hear it the opposite way. I never seem to hear. Can a man have a vagina . That question is never asked. It is if you never asked. It is always if you ask me, woman is ask me, the woman that is expected compromise and have expected to compromise and have her spaces restricted and shared expected to compromise and have he accommodate ted and shared expected to compromise and have he accommodate guys|nd shared expected to compromise and have he accommodate guys , d shared expected to compromise and have he accommodate guys , it shared expected to compromise and have he accommodate guys , it annoys to accommodate guys, it annoys me. I have to be honest. Let me just a quick look though, just have a quick look though, and you guys have got and see what you guys have got to say on that. Lots of conversations the toilets conversations about the toilets is agreeing with single is people agreeing with single sex toilets. Well done, you sensible individuals , cathy. And sensible individuals, cathy. And lots of you actually saying that theyve really appreciate the panel tonight like the conversation that youve been having lots of conversations about the dogs. Again, the sentiment coming through to that. Actually, it is the owners and not the dogs when it comes to pronouns as, again, people are saying yes, out of respect, but when you compel me to call people, its not going to happen. But ill tell you what im compelled to do. So thank you and good night. Thank you very much. Time flies. Thank you. And thank you at home for your company not anywhere. Company too. Do not go anywhere. Nigel is up next. Nigel farage is up next. The temperatures rising. The temperatures rising. Boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Hi there. Its Aidan Mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast. Rain today clearing overnight. A few showers following, but many places will be fine during tuesday as low pressure moves into the north sea, taking its weather fronts with it. However, one occluded feature is just providing some additional rainfall to the northeast of england through the night. Some damp weather continuing here. Eventually it becomes light. Eventually it becomes light. Moderate rain showers across western areas, drier towards the southeast with some clear spells. But wherever you are , spells. But wherever you are, its not going to be a cold night. Its 12 to 14 celsius generally. And it will be a bright start to tuesday , bright start to tuesday, certainly across southern areas compared with monday. Plenty of sunshine around and still the remnants of the cloud and rain clearing from the northeast of england, southeast Scotland First but mid morning, first thing. But by mid morning, thats gone. And then thats all gone. And then the showers west tend to showers in the west tend to transfer eastwards through the day. The heaviest downpours will be across the central belt and the southern uplands. But elsewhere, actually, the showers becoming more scattered into the afternoon. A better chance of some sunshine in the south. And with light feeling much with light winds feeling much more pleasant. With light winds feeling much more pleasant. And then we start more pleasant. And then we start off wednesday a few fog off wednesday with a few fog patches the south the patches in the south and the west. Of cloud for west. A lot of cloud for scotland and northeast england and further showers develop. But most of these showers will be in the north, especially for scotland towards the scotland, drier towards the south and this drying up trend continues into thursday and the start friday with rising start of friday with rising temperatures. The temperatures temperatures. 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